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phf: mircea_popescu: that's not what the layer between os and lisp does in the case of sbcl/cmucl. it explicitly doesn't do primitives, because those are, like you said, written in lisp, that's compiled into native bytecode (using VOB's, i.e. chunks for assembly)

mircea_popescu: or i guess... wtf does vm mean here ?

asciilifeform: aaaaaand this is how mircea_popescu arrives on the island where i sat in 2010.

mircea_popescu: it's self evidently nonsense, "my dream girl does not have any center of gravity defined for her tits. i'd like to meet her."

asciilifeform: and actually where i began when i was doing x86.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a thread, but it would appear that original author of subj went into the jungle and never came out, so i dug out copy, https://web.archive.org/web/20111227150315/http://www.stripedgazelle.org/joey/dream.html << scheme r4rs interp. written in asm by hand.

phf: that's not what i'm saying

mircea_popescu: no, i get it, "vneumann architecture is not lisp friendly". spare me, the vagina is not cock friendly.

mircea_popescu: i do not see how it relates.

mircea_popescu: i do not understand this bootstrapping. what bootstrapping ?

mircea_popescu: phf what i don't understand is this bizarre notion that c has some sort of priviledged relation with asm, which is and remains the only hardware language.

asciilifeform: phf: speaking of, i dug out my sbcl stash, oldest one appears to be 1.0.37 (loaded Mar 29 2010)

a111: Logged on 2016-09-17 02:58 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't speak for others, but i've never even ~heard~ of any of these folk, nor read their spew, until this year.

mircea_popescu: i have no idea what this is

mircea_popescu: hm i guess it doesn't reload either ?

trinque: fix it when I am further along this trail of gentoo tears

adlai: obviously there are exceptions in environments where speech is impossible (language barrier, noise club, etc) but i'm gonna bbl as well, reviewing math in anticipation of next month's classes

adlai: ahaha i like ben_vulpes's definition for the use of words

phf: ben_vulpes: it's s, but i suppose adding "search" is not a bad idea

adlai: in fact i basically equate sanity with 'more like housewife', with the latter defined as in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=29-08-2015#1255364, so i'd say that once you get sane enough, you're pretty stupid. ☝︎

trinque: phf: I dunno that anyone claims the content of a poem exists

adlai: trinque: i don't think of this as mind-body duality at all. a better analogy would be the phase of some matter. if you cool it enough, it seems solid; zoom in and you see it's still moving, but not enough to break out of formation.

trinque: for a somalian, I don't know, maybe that's Tuesday

adlai: so, i agree that there's some definition of 'crazy' by which tulpa people are crazy, but i think it MUST also include pretty much every religion, and probably also people who have significant net worth in shitty (or any) fiat

ben_vulpes: i walk by some folks every morning who appear to still be alive, yet are entirely solidly insane.

adlai: i respect alice's belief that her creator is dead, to the same degree that i'd respect somebody's belief in reincarnation, or resurrection, or transubstantiation. words have meaning, beliefs can be false, but you don't have to act on false beliefs. i'd count somebody who's physical actions are in touch with consensus reality as non-crazy, by the "sufficiently in touch with consensus reality to not die by

adlai: i'm actually saying that they don't.

adlai: i don't think that an ~animal~ which avoids starvation, dehydration, ostracism, and greivous bodily harm, can be counted crazy

adlai: so many questions without simple answers! i'll stick to the bright side - i ~halved my kyu at go, and spent more time playing guitar than i had in the previous year, combined.

trinque: knew I was spending something each time.

phf: i know a few people who went crazy in close connection to psychedelics, but of course no way to establish correlation/causation

trinque: I've taken "heroic" doses too.

adlai: that's a tricky claim. i've taken much, much, much larger doses than the ones that (indirectly!) led to the aforementioned bad situations. i think YGFS50 depends much more on "set and setting" than on a molecule's shape and headcount

ben_vulpes: i suspect variance is high.

ben_vulpes: i'm going to go out on a limb and doubt that there's enough data even on variation in human sensitivity to drugs much less by class and genotype to even be making claims about "LD50"

adlai: the more nuanced answer recognizes that i was hospitalized as a direct result of an argument, which would not have happened if i'd left the house with a sweater that morning. so... don't forget to bring a towel?

adlai: the "just fine" answer is: "no, i was hospitalized as an indirect result of conversations which would not have gone the same way without my reaction to certain situations involving drugs"

trinque: I don't believe the "thereaputic" angle for a moment.

trinque: I've done all kinds of psychedelics; just asking.

adlai: obviously i don't deeply believe that drugs can be ordered objectively by any parameter (other than therapeutic index, for ones that have known LD50 in humans), but my personal favorite "good drugs" ordering would have cannabis above nicotine and caffeine, and mescaline above alcohol

adlai is incidentally now sober for the longest he's been in weeks - and he has a loaded vape within arm's reach - so i'd say step one is not that relevant >> http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20160826/#219 ☟︎

adlai: what's with all the shitty drugs? i step away from irc-every-day for a couple months, suddenly everybody's fiending alcohol, tobacco, and firearms^H^H^Hcaffeine?

phf: i'll bring it back probably tonight. i've got tea pot, i've got hookah, i've got a fuck you to "no smoking in building" complaints

ben_vulpes: phf: i miss search quite a bit.

phf: one of the reasons i went with cmucl originally is because it has known tight memory behavior and sbcl dev equally famous stance that "memory is cheap", which, for the case of keeping log in memory, was discouraging

phf: asciilifeform: well, i'll have to figure out what's going on anyway, to get it working. i was saying sbcl is poetteringerized in abstract, by lateral telltale signs. i didn't expect this code to not simply work. fwiw, despite freenode disconnects the code ~was~ working

asciilifeform: now, i ~believe~ phf in re poetteringerized sbcl being a rusted chunk of ???

adlai: more stuff i never learned in school: tanA + tanB + tanC = tanA * tanB * tanC

scriba: Logged on 2016-09-17: [02:03:09] <asciilifeform> unless folks ~publish~ the magical bug-inducers, i am inclined to agree with the old iddish proverb

asciilifeform: i'd be curious to see if they are reproducible in 'toy' scene

phf: i can load any of the patches on the v graph, but if i hit genesis (exactly same code, etc.) suddenly balloons to 1gb, and dies with heap exhaustion

phf: asciilifeform: i'm seeing weirdest bugs with sbcl

mod6: I'm so glad this week is over.

trinque: you know what's sad? I'm actually running off of an SD card in a USB reader

adlai: ben_vulpes jiggled the handle but i suspect $up in PM may still work

ben_vulpes: i mean i had to flush it, twice

covertress: i reject your reality, and submit my own

adlai: if you want to speak to somebody privately, send them a message (i've sent you one, did you see it?)

ben_vulpes: "you can't fire me, i quit!"

covertress: i was not speaking to you all any way

adlai: covertress: you've evidently passed the "register PGP key and operate it" barrier, but you're failing the "not annoy people" barrier. you're not the first person to do this, and won't be the last. I suggest you NOT take this personally, figure out why you're failing this test, and... better luck next time.

phf: i start it with --dynamic-space-size 2500, it doesn't complain about "can't allocate", but it caps at 1gb. anything over that falls over

asciilifeform: phf: aha. when i get back to actual comp, i'll dig

phf: you have a canonical sbcl i can throw the problem at?

phf: asciilifeform: but even ignoring that, which i think was an interesting design challenge (go audit postgresql), sbcl falls over when actually trying to shuffle in memory data around

phf: if i wanted to keep log in sql why would i even use lisp to begin with?

covertress: chill, adlai, i've nevah posted to steemit

adlai: covertress: regarding "2016-08-29 18:36:38 +covertress mircea_popescu i've been asked to extend you a similar offer... to write for steemit xD", i'm very curious how much you have earned (ie, withdrawn btc from an exchange after selling) from that shitpile

adlai: i thought the EFF was suing mircea_popescu

adlai: phf: didn't miss it (i read scrollback! or at least, skim...), i thought it was back up

adlai: phf: in other news, i just crashed btcbase.org by clicking search

covertress: mircea_pepescu: i had wished to convey Patrick's offer to represent you against the EF.

phf: apparently whatever i was doing with cmucl no other lisp can handle

adlai: covertress: on a nicer note, i believe par for this course is to not just "read 6mo of logs", but actually spend 6mo reading logs, before planning/attending a conf

covertress: mircea_popescu: i regret to inform you that i will not be attending our dinner 26-Sept

adlai: nah i feel like a child using it, because i failed to configure znc properly so i lazed away how i always do

covertress: seems i should visit more often

asciilifeform: why am i reading a tardstalk link.

asciilifeform: 'I'm building a Blockchain-as-a-Service (BaaS) corporation and a foundation, to guide and support the open source, public blockchain, KR.'

covertress: gawd, i know how you all feel https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1368118.msg16267321#msg16267321

asciilifeform: ( 'Rivest-Shamir-Adleman public key cryptosystems do not always conceal messages.' G.R. Blakley, I. Borosh. 1979. )

ben_vulpes: i at least try to not scald myself during demo

ben_vulpes: near the pressurized oh and did i mention heated vapor line?

ben_vulpes: i am a barbarian, use wd-40 for these applications.

ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: is that in some way i'm missing a torque delivery device?

adlai: ben_vulpes: starting a degree in chemistry. this is the first time i'm attending university, dunno if high school counts for (back)

BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench. << PB Blaster!

ben_vulpes: just two weekends ago i had to excise some rust-welded nuts that didn't have clearance for a socket wrench.

ben_vulpes: if i had to cart around the right tool for every possible job my toolbox would be infinitely large

BingoBoingo: From herr vulpes link: "This is like a cross between a vice-grip and a crescent wrench. This is great for bath/kitchen plumbing when you need to remove stubborn fixtures and do not want to embed the channel lock/pipe wrench teeth into the chrome fixture and leave rough teeth marks on the smooth surface. The wrench locks down without marring the polished finish and it will not fall off if your hands are slippery wet. I also would like to

trinque: I have a shell script that shits out the gentoo I like

trinque: I have a disk image of old gentoo, but hey, why not see how hte kids do it these days

trinque: commad proposed I provide it a *new* passphrase

trinque: I went to mount an encrypted openbsd drive on a different (same endian) arch

ben_vulpes: also i

mod6: i feel a gas-can-rage bubbling up

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i hope this is a comment for the log readers

ben_vulpes: on the flip side, torx work (for now). i sunk oodles of self-drillers this past weekend without a single slip.

ben_vulpes: i *know* how to sink screws well, and the zinc plated shit for sale is ~unusable even by me.

asciilifeform: somehow i knew he'd say this.