asciilifeform: is whole point of the ffa thing

asciilifeform: aha

asciilifeform: because there, not only gen problem, but each shot.

asciilifeform: yes but you don't purersa with it.

asciilifeform: PER MODULUS

asciilifeform: but can live with month+ gen time ?

asciilifeform: let's say yer willing to live with mains ( or petrol, lol ) power.

asciilifeform: but i'll observe that this plane still weights a little much to get off ground

asciilifeform: tru

asciilifeform: ( much less a year )

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no matter how you cut it, however, i dun have a battery that will power a keygeneratory-capable comp for a month. and neither does anybody else.

asciilifeform: ?

asciilifeform: how here

asciilifeform: which costs quite >0

asciilifeform: plus dun forget WE ALSO CHECK BOUNDS ON ALL ARRAY ACCESSES

asciilifeform: aaaha.

asciilifeform: so we run at almost 50% speed of gmp, for straight mult, which is notbad.jpg, and can be improved ( less copying of intermediates )

asciilifeform: and when test is 0x2fffffff.....ff * 0x4ffffffff....fff (8192 b.) so as no 0s to 'cheat' with, then they : 0.7s

asciilifeform: which is quite a way less ghastly

asciilifeform: them: 0.345s

asciilifeform: us: 1.49s

asciilifeform: soooooo i measured time of 10,000 8192b mults,

asciilifeform: mno, it translates to a 1 / x

asciilifeform: (it produces some float liquishit )

asciilifeform: that's an op that has ~0 relation to anything we do

asciilifeform: it - sure

asciilifeform: 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ** 0x80 was picked because the answer actually occupies 8192 bits.

asciilifeform: (measuring interval of ~one~ is impractical)

asciilifeform: i suppose i'm stuck actually measuring time of N (large N) mult ops, rather than exp

asciilifeform: happens in O(1)

asciilifeform: nogood

asciilifeform: ( see src )

asciilifeform: but ~uses~ mult, naturally, inside

asciilifeform: aha!!

asciilifeform: recall, we're FFA, and they're non-F

asciilifeform: will end up a 100MB turd

asciilifeform: it doesn't do same thing tho

asciilifeform: y'mean, say, 2**8192 - 1 ah

asciilifeform: i dunno how to read that

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: give which

asciilifeform: nao where do i get a 470x speedup.

asciilifeform: ( and yes, it cheats, not the least of it being that it STOPS after 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF, rather than doing the other 8192-N bits )

asciilifeform: computation of 0xFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ** 0x80

asciilifeform: ( for comparison, python (internally gmp) takes 0.016s )

asciilifeform: this is still nogood.jpg

asciilifeform: in other noose ! nao we have comba's algo multiplier as basecase in karatsuba (currently threshold 8 words) , and http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-21#1673165 becomes now 7.5sec ☝︎☟︎

asciilifeform: cars yes. 100%confiscation a la stalin -- not yet, generally

asciilifeform: ( soon to be : not merely the cash in your pocket, but whatever is in your car/house/bank )

asciilifeform: as is documented to death

asciilifeform: trip over policeman in usaschwitz --> lose the cash

asciilifeform: where do they start ?

asciilifeform: can table, chair, 'work on it' also and become person ?

asciilifeform: asciilifeform apparently is not at all a person.

asciilifeform: 'friendly d00d' will immediately materialize to 'sell you btc for bag of benjies' and free room-an'-board-for-20y next

asciilifeform: for other values, it is like buying strela.

asciilifeform: for some values of 'you', lol

asciilifeform: per mircea_popescu's 'tide' article.

asciilifeform: afaik markets want actual-usd, not chargebacktronium

asciilifeform: yes but who wants to trade bitcoin for these

asciilifeform: upstack : i suspect that the situation re 'borrow mortgage and run away into btc' is entirely similar to old su 'run into dollars'. many (most?) would have nodded to 'sell motherland', 'but nobody's buying her!'

asciilifeform: MyRapeMeat

asciilifeform: this is a point.

asciilifeform: hey if they get tired, could always consider not runningmoarwinblowz

asciilifeform: but it is a sad fate to rape an' pillage only to feed a platoon of performancereview.

asciilifeform: tru!!

asciilifeform: same failure mode tho -- you go around pirateing, yarrrr, and storing treasure in btc, but in the end it turns out you were privateering for inca

asciilifeform: now say they instead had produced, and thinking it were theirs ('charging btc battery'). and then -- inca gets it.

asciilifeform: let's briefly revisit ye olde su, which afaik was largely nailed by folx ~not producing~, rather than spiriting $goodies away overseas

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'better position' i admit is a poor phrasing. moar of 'give arsonist 10x the petrol'

asciilifeform: ohai mats

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll admit to a complete puzzlement re which 'it' i 'have there' 'and not here'

asciilifeform: waiwat

asciilifeform: which is how that opera may well would have ended.

asciilifeform: at least paris didn't get, e.g., nuked.

asciilifeform: or 10.

asciilifeform: well picture another 5 yrs of it.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'stalingrad' hypothesis was not re 'germany wins' but rather 'prolongs the agony' -- could have easily finished wrecking the not-yet-wrecked half of europe, say.

asciilifeform: this yes.

asciilifeform: serious problem in the original germany : scarce and cruddy fuel , from fischer-tropsch ( which they only even had to begin with because of those 60.. )

asciilifeform: i dun follow

asciilifeform: where bach instead of josephsmith

asciilifeform: hard to picture them not coming back to a victorious germany

asciilifeform: could've regained, as slaves.

asciilifeform: why so sure..?

asciilifeform: this'd be rather like germany taking stalingrad and the petrowells

asciilifeform: aha, and the show, refueled, gets to go on another century

asciilifeform: rather than 'whole thing evaporates overnight'

asciilifeform: well in a maximally ghastly 'death of btc' scenario, usg slowly alchemates/inflates it

asciilifeform: but enemy, hypothetically, ahead '+9000%', having successfully swallowed everything folx moved into btc

asciilifeform: supposing no http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-14#1627008 . ☝︎

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik this is only dampered today by the lack of folx willing to part with btc

asciilifeform: in ye olde su this was accomplished somewhat differently -- by physically cutting apart the, e.g., laboratory where you worked, and selling to faceless bagmen who carried it abroad

asciilifeform: ( i.e. if 'lafond's mother' could cash in, even at a loss, the house into non-usgolade )

asciilifeform: if ~anyone actually wanted usd enough to pay bitcoin for it en masse, even nickel-on-the-dollar's worth, usg would evaporate in a week.

asciilifeform: it's the sure siphon by which it can be drained dry.

asciilifeform: re the confiscation : welfaristans fear sham-indigence like elephant fears mice

asciilifeform: lolyes

asciilifeform: i prefer the original one, where, e.g., asciilifeform's folx had 4 metre ceilings and paid 0 rent and 0 mortgage

asciilifeform: mostly dead

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: being old is sorta like drinking