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asciilifeform: if switch to 'little', you will get a roughly 0.01% speedup, all it'll do it get rid of the xor addr, 0x3 instr.

asciilifeform: and you can plug'em into virtually any box, from 'vax' to 'pogo', all you need is a serial port of whatever description.

asciilifeform: single-phosphour crt, w/out shadow mask. hence razor-sharp ( and actually why bolix made the lispm console a b&w tube. was only way to get 1280x1024 in 1980s tube, with sharp text) . for this reason asciilifeform for many years had actual glass tty, when first started unixing, was 1 of the best junkyard finds ever imho

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-17#1922942 << cga, by the standards of that world, is 'newfangled'. the glass tty's typically emulate ibm's 3270 -- a 1971 product... (or vt100, dec circa 1978!) ☝︎

asciilifeform: ( has a couple of other up-sides, e.g., 'endianism' only affects 3 instructions. so can be made selectable. )

asciilifeform: when you have a ~defined~ iron, can lose 99% of the driverism crapolade.

asciilifeform: it was ~2.4~ that some folx are keeping alive, cuz it would fit, with trimming, into <1M. but if yer using 2.4.x you will need a contemporary userland.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i don't have anything running a 2.x, and haven't for some years ( ye olde 'wrt54g' was i think the last piece of iron i had which ran one )

a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 21:52 asciilifeform: re that kernel -- someone gotta genesis a kernel. ( if no one has any constructive input re ~which~ one, then i will, and it will be somewhat arbitrary. ) atm that patch is a bad-old-style patch, rather than vpatch.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 21:38 asciilifeform: orig. author of 'cmips' btw was of 0 use, i wrote to him a while back and not long ago he answerd 'i lost hdd, lost errything'

BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> aaand gcc broke support around same time. << And the hard opensourpush was made to push a crippled subset of SPARC as MIPS alternative around that time as well iirc

asciilifeform: mod6: re backups -- if one absolutely must make a hand-cranked copy of a node, the correct method is 'dumpblock' (on donor end) and 'eatblock' (on recipient) , dun require taking down either.

asciilifeform: for the smaller boxen (various arm, 'pcengine', similar) you can actually put a 12v lead-acid in line with the dc connector. and never suffer 'oops, mains flicker' db corrupt.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922900 << imho it is foolish to take down a trb noad (i.e. allow it to fall behind) simply to copy the db. the best backup for a trb noad is a 2nd, 3rd,... node. ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 22:16 mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922542 << There is a patch that is not part of the main TRB vtree that does this, but it'll have to be patched in manually. And it most likely would need to be "re-ground" to apply cleanly ontop of your current pressed tree. However, if we can find a time where we could work together on it, I might be able to help you get that part going.

asciilifeform: ftr : horse's mouth, where above. aaand, soon after: 'Mon Dec 1 19:06:32 UTC 2014 ... Remove the support for generating mips1/2/3/4 code since it has been deprecated for more than a year now. Also remove the unnecessary kludges in packages for it.'

mod6: Then it should tunnel you through that remote host to connect to the bitcoin network and get blocks. Keep in mind that the example above is just that, and it also uses -connect, which is intended for connecting to a single node. You'll want to use -addnode for when connecting to more than one, and standard operation

mod6: ssh -o ServerAliveInterval=5 -o ServerAliveCountMax=3 -i ~/.ssh/key_for_remote_host_id_rsa girlattorney@A.B.C.D -D 127.0.0.1:56565

mod6: One could connect a TRB node through a SSH tunnel (to a remote endpoint/host with a static IP) so you don't broadcast your IP.

mod6: an issue the 'stop' command to bitcoind, wait until it closes properly, then start back up with -addnode for a handful of trusted nodes (see command in http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html in section 0x23 or at the very bottom 0x0D), which should sync you the rest of the way pretty quickly.

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922545 << I have found that if you -connect to a single (trusted TMSR~ node, for instnace http://thebitcoin.foundation/trusted-nodes.html) node to get caught up -- it'll get within 5 blocks of the head of the chain, then it'll start going through all of the mempool stuff. Eventually, it should catch up; however, if one is in a hurry to get those last 5 blocks sync'd, you c ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 12:12 girlattorney: and last thing that i found a little annoying: no exportprivkey in any form, just dealing with wallet.dat to import/export private keys

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922542 << There is a patch that is not part of the main TRB vtree that does this, but it'll have to be patched in manually. And it most likely would need to be "re-ground" to apply cleanly ontop of your current pressed tree. However, if we can find a time where we could work together on it, I might be able to help you get that part going. ☝︎☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 12:31 girlattorney: if i do a df -h on my box i have also 270-280GB occupied, not 8TB

mod6: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922592 << ah! ok, had me worried there for a moment. ☝︎

asciilifeform: re that kernel -- someone gotta genesis a kernel. ( if no one has any constructive input re ~which~ one, then i will, and it will be somewhat arbitrary. ) atm that patch is a bad-old-style patch, rather than vpatch. ☟︎

asciilifeform: so ended up learning from 0 , how to port linux kernel to a never-seen 'machine'

asciilifeform: orig. author of 'cmips' btw was of 0 use, i wrote to him a while back and not long ago he answerd 'i lost hdd, lost errything' ☟︎

asciilifeform: re : honest 'virtual hosts' , and re asciilifeform's backlog of outputs to be published : i have a working kernel and userland for that mips emu . runs as buildroot, a la 'rotor' . will be featured in conveyor article.

asciilifeform: a!

mp_en_viaje: no, linode was one of these usgistani shits. back in 2010 pretended to be a major player in hosting market. ☝︎

BingoBoingo: Ah, the manage through a panel thing where the folks selling swear you have a whole box to yourself.

girlattorney: well the prices are a high for my budget, will check if here there somebody that want to group buy a node in uruguay to split the cost ☟︎

asciilifeform: there's a vacant rk, prolly adequate for anything short of trb node

BingoBoingo: girlattorney: A year of shared hosting runs 0.0216 BTC, we are a bit squeezed for vacant machines until asciilifeform brings some more down here. Any particular configuations you favor for a dedicated box?

lobbesbot: girlattorney: Sent 12 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> It appears you are looking to set up a blog. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922579 I can get you a place to blog set up by the end of the day http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/

girlattorney: BingoBoingo how much for a shared hosting and how much for a dedicated box with an ipv4 annualy?

a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 12:26 girlattorney: @mp_en_viaje nothing public, after reading trilema and some logs I wanted to open a blog to report my stuff, but haven't got yet my ip space

BingoBoingo: !Q later tell girlattorney It appears you are looking to set up a blog. http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-16#1922579 I can get you a place to blog set up by the end of the day http://pizarroisp.net/shared-hosting/ ☝︎

diana_coman: myeah, if only I had a logger in there so I can point to logs...

diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: myeah re won't spend life supporting them for sure; re script tbh it's such a pile of "open source" that I'm not even sure I'll spend my life making a script for it.

mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, anyway, you can't possibly spend your life supporting random dorky platform. get a script to enumerate users and hi them automatically, or somesuch.

a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 12:29 girlattorney: asciilifeform that's something interesting: once (not now, a couple of days ago) i was able to get to the general height, thanks to a couple of restart that allowed me to get those last blocks (it seems that when TRB starts, always download instantly 10-15 blocks). Basically when it was at the network height (synced) it was also connecting to core

girlattorney: but US is a strange world. You get quoted 80k for a day in hospital, then 8k cause your healthcare plan has negotiated the price

diana_coman: in my many wtf from the dev.to expedition: most (and by this I do mean 90%) of the profiles in there list "looking for work" but then not even one of those actually inquired there at "come work on what matters", not even a "where?" or anything (and they saw it, yes, the "heart" it but won't say a peep)

girlattorney: in sweden 5k could be peanuts, in portugal a year of working of an average worker, in nigeria life savings

a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 21:37 mircea_popescu: which i suppose is the main strategic direction of tmsr - in a few years they either pay us to "secure" all systems or else the systems burn down.

a111: Logged on 2016-07-02 04:34 mircea_popescu: so, strategically, we (as in, humans, people, we) are confronted with an adversary (ie, socialist state, usg, aliens, the devil incarnate, pure evil, etc) that predicates its relevancy upon targeted computing denial (see http://trilema.com/2014/the-problem-of-enforcement/ ; and also http://trilema.com/2015/mika-epstein-aka-ipstenu-is-a-thoroughly-clueless-poser/ re the ddos "we won't fix" and so on )

asciilifeform: at risk of repeating -- 5k is a steal for fiber dig.

girlattorney: just because a couple blocks distant from me they actually have laid fiber

asciilifeform: as you pointed out, 'get' if live enough. and it will be a 'maybe-works' product, rather than what you want, necessarily.

asciilifeform: 5k is ultracheap btw , for a dig

asciilifeform: girlattorney: you will definitely want a civilized pipe, when working with bitcoin , it is not avoidable

a111: Logged on 2015-07-24 00:06 mircea_popescu: in any case : the front against the usg in the cyber world is only going to strengthen the way it's going. within a decade we will see full area denial in the sense that no govt anything will still run online.

girlattorney: and for me it's a pain cause i'm behind a VDSL connection. No FTTH. Copper attenuation is still a real thing and the modem likes to reboot

a111: Logged on 2017-03-26 15:03 mp_en_viaje: basically a novel vector of imperial attack seems to be this "let's take republican items and ~EXPAND~ the downstream so that siberian river attack is then feasible".

asciilifeform: tunnel method worx, but imposes considerably overhead, girlattorney , you will want to get a serious pipe. i don't imagine it is a painful expense for attourney

asciilifeform: e.g. asciilifeform's , is in principle 'dynamic', but in practice changes 1 a year or so

girlattorney: it blocks none, but it's a dynamical IP

girlattorney: behind a nat there is no way to tell TRB to ignore the 1st addrLocalHost

girlattorney: when i ran TRB in a box with a public routable address, there also was the double addrLocalHost, but always with the same public routable address

girlattorney: first there is a addrLocalHost, then another addrLocalHost

girlattorney: but i'm using a tunnel

asciilifeform: girlattorney: mod6's build system ( based on asciilifeform's earlier 2015 'rotor' (see logs) ) builds first a frozen-in-amber gcc & friends, ~then~ the depds (db etc) , ~then~ trb per se

asciilifeform: if you have a working toolchain now, you can build and be up & running in 40min. or so.

asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb is more like kalashnikov than television set. i.e. can be made 'user friendly' only to a point.

asciilifeform: it's a notbad idea. BingoBoingo i think you already have the parts.

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: this is easy to do, only rub is that there are already 3 ( 4? ) trb nodes at piz, all on 1 ip block, and sharing a quite modest pipe.

mp_en_viaje: a, i guess no treally, if she's already up to 580k

asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: defo, all of the moving parts already in place for it. ( and apparently nao there is a $49 pogo-cum-2GB ? )

girlattorney: instead the newcomer will need to buy a premade box

girlattorney: asciilifeform and for this reason i think that in a couple of years it won't have sense anymore doing a cold start

asciilifeform: recall also that even during 'cold start sync', node is still attempting to operate as a node. it will be bombarded with tx from the peers, and (unsurprisingly) will walk the db and typically not find the referenced block , at given time (cuz it doesn't have it yet)

mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, so wait, is this delayed trb running on a vps or on its own colocated box ?

mp_en_viaje is satisfied that the "i'm 0 to a dozen or so blocks behind at all times, varying" is mostly due to scheduling issues related to the visor management of the vps and its resources.

girlattorney: i have a physical box, never said i was hosting. Just saying that if you want to move across the internet a synced node, today is a pain

mp_en_viaje: lol so then get yourself a proper box, and have fun.

asciilifeform: girlattorney: trb on public toilet 'vps' hosting is generally a nonstarter

asciilifeform: girlattorney: in my experience, trb (with my 'aggression' patch) syncs from 0 in roughly 3wks, on a decent (fiber) pipe. however, last did this yr+ ago, and unsurprisingly the interval will only ever increase, as the chain gets heavier (on avg., grows 1000000 bytes erry 10min, recall)

girlattorney: now we are sitting on 270GB mostly well splitted in educated 2gb blk00*, but then there is a thick load of 50gb named blkindex that fucks up everything, cause file hosting generally doesn't like these weights

asciilifeform: iirc mp_en_viaje actually has a circa-2014 snapshot hosted somewhere

girlattorney: now it's a real pain

asciilifeform: girlattorney: i attempted to bake exactly such in '14 , but the iron wasn't there yet ( we got a large supply of certain arm box, but only 256MB of physical mem, and only ~then~ found that without a total rewrite, trb cannot be sat down in 256M or even 1G )

girlattorney: even if you are in NY and the boxes ships from sydney, with DHL the pre-synced box would appear well before a standard sync

asciilifeform: as you can tell, however, bitcoin still functions; simply it requires genuine node operators to do a little bit of hand curation of peer selection

girlattorney: in a near future i think that it could have sense to have a TRB marketplace, where you can buy your ready-to-deploy box

girlattorney: it really sucks after 28 days of sync starting from zero, knowing that a lot of nodes are hostile and nowadays nobody ain't giving away bandwith

girlattorney: so i just used 2-3% life of the ssd, not a big issue (i'll only sync once hopefully)

girlattorney: well, i've used a 1TB consumer SSD to sync, rated for 200 TB written before die

mp_en_viaje: iirc she was on a vps tho. os not exposed to her.

girlattorney: if i do a df -h on my box i have also 270-280GB occupied, not 8TB ☟︎

asciilifeform: if you were looking at linux disk stats, you may have box with swappism enabled. (or do you actually have a 8TB drive, that trb somehow filled ?!)

girlattorney: asciilifeform that's something interesting: once (not now, a couple of days ago) i was able to get to the general height, thanks to a couple of restart that allowed me to get those last blocks (it seems that when TRB starts, always download instantly 10-15 blocks). Basically when it was at the network height (synced) it was also connecting to core ☟︎

a111: Logged on 2019-07-16 11:27 girlattorney: if it's just an ip + port it can be a "fake" node. What interest me is the fact that TRB seems to ignore the nodes with a user agent different than "therealbitcoin.org:0.8.88.88". I even tried to just have a "addnode=*corenode" and in some odd way it finds a way to communicate only with the TRB nodes

girlattorney: @mp_en_viaje nothing public, after reading trilema and some logs I wanted to open a blog to report my stuff, but haven't got yet my ip space ☟︎

mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, ok, bash. but... do you have your own practice ? or work for a firm ?

mp_en_viaje: girlattorney, you can just use eatblock, have it synced from known-good chain in a day or so

girlattorney: i saw the rockchip, it was more expensive and i found these HC1s (a couple) used from a local guy that sold them to me at a price

girlattorney: it's an arm board with a sata slot, so i can attach a 1TB ssd and let TRB running for a couple of years

girlattorney: asciilifeform thanks, i'm going to search on logs if you haven't a direct link. The hc1 is 2gb indeed