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lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928256 << it is inconclusive if the eggogs are a result of the znc2tmsr converter, or the znc logs themselves. Now that I have your logotron pressed onto my cuntoo workstation, I aim to get some irssi #e logs and run them through diana_coman's irssi2tmsr converter, and then snarf that into your logotron to see if I also get barf.
asciilifeform: hm i thought that was the only remaining kind after dethronement of whore
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928291 << i take it 'blue dollar' is/was same thing as sovok's 'convertible ruble' ?
asciilifeform: if folx want to mirror, i'd prefer that also happen daily, otherwise no amt of pipe will suffice
asciilifeform: i expect will be roughly 3x that when all the back-archives added.
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that nginx, apache, etc. are intrinsically dead weight, when sat in front of a programmatic html shitter
asciilifeform: so i still suspect it aint the pipe ( diana_coman lives at piz )
asciilifeform: it is even possible that the pipe is to blame, i.e. the measurement is 'random' depending on how congested the pipe at piz on acct of e.g. the multiple trb noads sitting there
asciilifeform: ( from asciilifeform's chair ; 0.9 when executed locally on dulap , via ng i.e. the public url )
snsabot: Logged on 2018-04-18 21:58:18 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
asciilifeform: it aint best possible pipe, but pretty good; and , as i pointed out already, effect persists ~without~ it ( i.e. operating curl within dulap shaves only 200msec vs to my chair; and has same peculiar 'burst' pattern and wild variance in total time )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 10:41:12 mp_en_viaje: 3s for 80kb is scandalous, but i'd say it's the poor q of your bw, nothing you can do about that from software.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928224 << ftr i routinely get 1-2 MB/s from my chair to dulap and reverse
asciilifeform: iirc chromisms have timer, i have box w/ one
asciilifeform: pretty certain that the pipe itself is blameless, i get consistent realtime work through it, not once long pings much less subjective feel of 'mars probe'
asciilifeform: tried large buffers, no buffers, various tcpism knobs, no obv culprit for the impedance mismatch (what i suspect this is )
asciilifeform: i found no obvious cause, but in process of knob turning combinatorics cut the delay somewhat ( seems to only be detectable in graphic wwwtrons tho, and , annoyingly, cannot actually get useful number from those, unlike curl )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: possibly i did not elaborate , but on box's own shell, if viewing through ngx , fully 1-2s moar delay than if direct to port where py proggy
asciilifeform: something is odd, i sat all evening last night reading vintage #t logz via my displayer and none ate >3s
diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928221 -> I got real0m9.634s
mp_en_viaje: 3s for 80kb is scandalous, but i'd say it's the poor q of your bw, nothing you can do about that from software.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/holy-shit-i-woke-up-by-myself/ << Trilema -- Holy shit, I woke up by myself.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-13 06:02:15 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ?
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-13#1928201 << i dun 'upgrade', lol. and also admittedly never before tried to get a www to load in <1s specifically. ( btw -- does trilema for all pgs ? )
mp_en_viaje: hoooly shit, i woke up by myself.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 22:07:05 asciilifeform: i'ma have to set whole orchestra up on a box w/ classic apache, to see whether same thing
a111: Logged on 2019-07-14 08:12 mp_en_viaje: so since thelastpsychiatrist.com went all fucking stupid (cloudflare aside, and mountain of pointless js aside, there's a spurious 1min delay before any pageload also now!), i scraped the article list both from archive page and category page, and downloaded the list.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928191 << you know, someone fucked something up somewhere, because recall http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-14#1922400 ? sounds exactly the same, server just sits there for MINUTE before serving anything, for no reason. this didn't use to be the case, i suspect some "upgrade" broke the stack you two both happen to use ? ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma have to set whole orchestra up on a box w/ classic apache, to see whether same thing
asciilifeform: but!! only via apache ! i.e. time curl http://127.0.0.1:5002/log dun show either the variance or the slowdown.
asciilifeform: i.e. silently fail
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that the indices work here (pg 9) and not there (10)
mp_en_viaje: anyone recall the trilema article (maybe comment ?) where i was explaining that choice's not constructive, one gotta pick A-or-B or else C-or-D, can't pick imaginarily A-or-D because D doesn't exist in a system with A.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 18:27:27 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in goange, i give you https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2019/02/15234715/Schizodactylus-monstrosus-from-Arunachal-Pradesh-.-768x512.jpg
asciilifeform: i thought this also, when had pre-PG phuctor. turns out ~nothing is measurably > nothing, lol
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re 'delete file', it isn't quite a simple, cuz fs ops are potentially locking. i elided what means 'wipe the cache' for brevity, but there's a knob.
mp_en_viaje: could lib out the shared routines i guess
asciilifeform: hm prolly i oughta have done it phuctor-style (where there's 1 .py and it can run either as wwwtron or 'eater' depending on cmdline params. )
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in goange, i give you https://imgs.mongabay.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/30/2019/02/15234715/Schizodactylus-monstrosus-from-Arunachal-Pradesh-.-768x512.jpg
asciilifeform: in that case may as well make'em same proggy. tho i like being able to reset the www displayer w/out affecting bot.
mp_en_viaje: have the logger simply delete the file whenever it runs into a logreference. eg if i say http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2018-08-12#1841030 it erases 2018-08-12.html
asciilifeform: i was baking the cache
mp_en_viaje: i don't get it ?!
asciilifeform: i made the coloured blocks the lightest shade that'd still be distinguishable on my displays, imho this is Right Thing
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 18:08:25 asciilifeform: nobody has said anyffin re the checkerboard, i'ma keep it as stands then unless someone reports that it makes eyes bleed
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 17:39:54 bvt: so far i've been doing everything manually. for 10 vpatches, i would start automating the process. typicall i'd run full test set for each vpatch
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928103 << in a word, i dunno it'd make a difference ; but it's the sorta thing only time will really tell.
asciilifeform: nobody has said anyffin re the checkerboard, i'ma keep it as stands then unless someone reports that it makes eyes bleed
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1928088 << i noticed the spurious 0x01, assumed it was py's utf heap o'rubbish improperly decoding. how do these appear from /me ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 16:44:50 bvt: asciilifeform: there is another thing that i just noticed that different between phf's logger and yours: single quote (') is encoded as &#039 in phf's logger, and as &apos in yours -- and &apos happens to be totally broken in links graphical mode (links -g). i can fix this on the links side, but i wonder if this is intended/acceptable behavior
bvt: so far i've been doing everything manually. for 10 vpatches, i would start automating the process. typicall i'd run full test set for each vpatch
bvt: but again, i think the first to points are more important; the third one has less priority (at least for me).
mp_en_viaje: i just don't understand what two things we're comparing.
bvt: maybe that's too much testing for re-signing, i dunno.
bvt: and i know that when re-signing multiple vpatches, i would have done the same thing individually for each vpatch.
bvt: well when i was re-signing another vtools vpatch at phf's request (for keccak regrind), i did the full re-testing as when releasing it the first time, to make sure that everything is ok.
mp_en_viaje: to be sure i think your patch is fine as it is.
bvt: mp_en_viaje: i think there are two aspects: 1. readability (whether readers would be able to understand what is going on; in that vpatch the changes are local enough); 2. atomicity (whether someone would ever want to have one fix without the other; here my position is much weaker -- perhaps someone would want to have a crash on empty vpatches?)
bvt: asciilifeform: there is another thing that i just noticed that different between phf's logger and yours: single quote (') is encoded as &#039 in phf's logger, and as &apos in yours -- and &apos happens to be totally broken in links graphical mode (links -g). i can fix this on the links side, but i wonder if this is intended/acceptable behavior
asciilifeform: ... if no one has any idea, i'ma have to revert, this broke multiline select also.
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2019/08/bet-your-pierogies-im-polish/ << Bimbo.Club -- Bet your pierogies I'm Polish!
mp_en_viaje: honestly i never followed the tardeluge that closely, somehow only ugly chicks live in the core. hotties universally peripherical.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: near as i could tell, they were 'protesting' the theoretical non-reelection of obummer. vanished within coupla days of 2012 continuation in office.
mp_en_viaje: you see what i mean.
asciilifeform: i have buncha photos somewhere, but all snoar, mostly tents
mp_en_viaje: i really like that retarded-gnome-tower tbh
mp_en_viaje: i used these to great effect once, was on trip to serbia with then very recently enslavbed hanbot, proceeded to extract a few hundy out of the machines by monte-carlo-ing them out of their engineering assumptions. happened to be more than the whole weekend stay cost, gave her great story to rely the greatness of her master.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 1 i actually went into, in timis, was in fact automated, like old arcades
asciilifeform: or what were they called in orig, i fuighet
asciilifeform: i liked, ftr, how in e.g. timis, casino house on erry corner, and next to it a pawn where orc can pawn his last shirt + pnoje
snsabot: Logged on 2018-04-18 21:58:18 mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : i can't recommend the dsc-rx100 quite warmly enough. it's a splendid sony compact with zeiss lenses that's easily the best camera i ever saw.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927942 << he made more bitcoin than ~all of romania (ever) via old mp-run digg thing, for instance. i dunno, he was one of the less-retarded kids blogging in romanian in the mid 2000s
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927936 << da fuck do i know, being a dj ?
mp_en_viaje: yeah, makes sense. as in -- i can understand the fungal path
mp_en_viaje: what i;m saying is that server-ping is utterly misdesigned.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i meant specifically in re traditional irc
asciilifeform: i gotta say, never before heard of ~client~ having to ~send~ 'ping'
asciilifeform: so far the only fleanode nail i've stepped on, is that 'maybe you joined chan or maybe not' thing
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927932 << holy hell, i'm not equal to that task. besides ctcp and dcc, there's even a microsoft-led attempt at embrace-and-extinguish from the 90s (it went nowhere) ; there was a broadly accepted pantsuitization of irc cca 2005 ("isupport"), various nsa-sponsored nonsense ("dancer", "hyperion", "protoctl")...
asciilifeform: ( in re knobs, 1 optional toggle that asciilifeform wanted for many yrs -- but dun have yet -- is a 'reverse gear', i.e. display log 1st line on top of screen and down. but this, also, later. )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: tried to make 'new tab'ism go this morning, when spyked mentioned it, but it'll take some fiddling -- interacts poorly with the regexp-based link highlighting i used in this hasty drumhead logger. so prolly won't happen until much later.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:43:46 asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje et al have strong opinion on subj, i'ma make it a knob
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927928 << i'd rather you just leave links plain ; but i don't have that strong feelings on the matter.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927917 << i don't think that's the ~main~ issue. i think that's the secondary issue ; with the main issue being http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926670 -- specifically that anything crawling out of cunt can be taught to be polite, socially inocuous, culturally unobtrustive, etc. but NOT everything can be taught to have something to say, a driver inside, the thing here sometimes
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 10:37:04 spyked: hm, I think he was on #t at some point tho?
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927918 << mostly on fain, i think.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 05:59:50 spyked: asciilifeform, minor nitpick re snsabot: I see no difference in the www interface between CTCP actions (the /me thing) and normal replies. e.g. I would expect ^ to be rendered as "spyked also tried ..." instead of "spyked: also tried".
diana_coman: spyked: fwiw re daimon - he came in and asked me for a rating years ago as if it was a village and I should know it was "him"; once I figured out which "Alex" he was, I rated him; then even pulled and pushed him to try eulora - he resisted it and never made it.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:52:24 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927792 < what, seriously ? you can just compose : and - in screen. or i think x too. or you know, you \div in latex ? or like... you use R at all.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927864 << i must be the only 1 who runs a 7bit ascii shell...
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:22:11 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-11#1927780 << I do not expect that's his blog ; item is work of (relatively) well known internet lulzcow, one David Futrelle, a one-time pick-up artist / big man leadership dood meanwhile turned on the other side of the "BUT OBVIOUSLY, do we still have to DO this" cvasi-debate.
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje et al have strong opinion on subj, i'ma make it a knob
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 06:08:14 diana_coman: I also ctrl-click so didn't notice but I don't see the reason to bake in "new window"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-12 04:40:45 spyked: and by frontend I mean, proggy that receives file as command argument and plays it -- in case of audio file, without spawning anything graphical
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-12#1927806 << 'mplayer' is all i have on most boxen (the ones which even have sound..)
spyked: hm, I think he was on #t at some point tho?
diana_coman: in fairness, I don't use python much - last time I used it was years ago for generating the Eulora cookbook aka a bunch of static html pages from various data
diana_coman: asciilifeform: it turns out I don't even usually have flask and psycopg2 on my machines
asciilifeform: ty diana_coman . i will mirror it & the sigs on my www also.