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mircea_popescu: kinda what threw me, "wtf are you talking rare, these were so pestilentially common for a summer or two even i ended up with some".
asciilifeform now has the notion that he has a board exactly like mircea_popescu's at the bottom of some ancient crate...
mircea_popescu gotta remember he's well advised to not put his 20yo self unfiltered in the chan, lol.
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. so it turns out "2 slot" is really 2010s era fakery, not really used as such. and i fell for it!
mircea_popescu: who the hell doesn't take it out ? can actually break the connector pcb part.
asciilifeform: and iirc was also attempt to cure the plague of massively-heatsinked gpu monster popping out of the slot during transport
mircea_popescu: so the idea is, 2nd was only used for power or what am i missing ?
asciilifeform has dusty old geforce4 , with these
asciilifeform: iirc agp '8x' had the 2nd foot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the vidcard actually has two feet, in both mid slots.
mircea_popescu: no that's amd's mid 2010s chips
asciilifeform: ( this was a kind of pestilence in early 2000s, there were 5-6 types of vendor-proprietary wtf-slots, afaik ~0 products sold for'em )
asciilifeform: http://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/939Dual-SATA2 << your vintage mb . 1 agp slot, 3 trad pci, 2 pcie , and... 1 oddball 'future cpu slot', nfi if anything ever sold for it
asciilifeform: pcie is the current pci ( as seen in e.g. the pizarro boxen )
mircea_popescu: tbh i've not even thought about any of this in decade+.
mircea_popescu: afaik agp ~= pci-e, but i suppose technically i might've actually misunderstood what's going on in my mobo ?!
mircea_popescu: of course from looking at their actual specs, they list "- 1 x AGP8X/4X slot, 1.5V only - PCI Express x16 slot" rather than dual agp per se.
asciilifeform: what's the middle slot ? ( it isn't pin-compat with the yellow agp )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i see 2 diff slots in there ( not counting pci )
mircea_popescu: can't really tell when it was discontinued, or if. vendor actually still carries it : https://www.asrock.com/mb/ULi/939Dual-SATA2/index.asp
asciilifeform: right, but tweaked in particular direction.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik it's just pci tweaked.
mircea_popescu: jesus this will take some degriming.
asciilifeform: ( my one gripe re agp, and i suspect the reason why nobody afaik made e.g. disk controller for it , is that it had asymmetric bw -- substantially faster output than input ; thing was specifically sharpened for vga )
asciilifeform: all i've left re agp, is the bound paper standard (yes..) . and it indeed permitted 2 holes ! but i've not ever encountered a mb that had the 2nd one populated
mircea_popescu: but i do have 2-hole board right here, and the vga card to go with it.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't even bet on that.
asciilifeform: well extinct in the dec alpha sense. ( 0 made since, idk, '07 ? )
mircea_popescu: most of the vidcards are like are agp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was moar interesting than this, was a ~port~ rather than bus, dedicated thing
mircea_popescu: sure as fuck it isn't the level of mess of usb.
asciilifeform: lived for quite short time ( asciilifeform has all sorts of vintage gear but 0 boxen with agp remaining )
mircea_popescu: afaik also isa-on-steroids, but i've never looked THAT closely
asciilifeform: and lol agp ( interesting q, did anybody ever make something other than a vga card for it ? or for that matter, a mb with >1 hole )
mircea_popescu: i kinda missed that memo.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wasn't capped, originally was 1:1 with cpu clock, then starting with 386 or so started being divide-by-4
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in resurrected vintage lulz : linus agreed ( https://archive.is/aFETR ) to merge the http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-12#1796987 shitshow into kernel . ☝︎
asciilifeform: the added bonus would be that if run on a misconfigured system, it will do something moar informative than simply hang.
asciilifeform: ( theoretical lifetime of FG is anywhere from 30+ yrs , until electron migration nails the eeprom in the cpld , but nobody actually knows, tho fwiw this particular chip existed since 1997 iirc and no known failures , so lives at least this long )
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'd still recommend adding a timeout ( and log alarm if it ever actually times out ) to the FG reader in the s.mg routine -- it isn't physically impossible for the box to die
mod6: asciilifeform: ack, will update here sometime today
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in dept of 'the lady doth protest too much', http://www.contravex.com/#footnote_12_21699
asciilifeform: however! this does not mean that the 'progress' idiocy where they replaced isa with a stateful monstrosity, is justified -- one could still have an isa-style bus today (i.e. directly addressable by cpu, and cards have simple 'is this for me?' logic, rather than book-length ???? )
asciilifeform: if one is willing to dispense with vintage cards, and take it to the 20MHz or so (beyond which the capacitance of the contacts becomes problem) that's still not anywhere near GB/s
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 22:29 mircea_popescu: (if the putative fast oscilloscope ever got interfaced with killer micro box, it'd be through isa also, i'm sure.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838902 << was rereading this thread, and realized that sadly nodice: 16bit (late years) isa, x 8MHz gives you 16MB/sec theoretical max, which is no kind of serious scope at all ☝︎
asciilifeform: ( tbf, was up previously, simply returning old ip to peers )
asciilifeform: pretty annoying, actually, every yr i wake up to a mess of broken ssh pipes...
asciilifeform: mod6, mircea_popescu , ben_vulpes , trinque , et al, plox to update noad tables.
mircea_popescu: all i can say is thank you hillary clinton for stopping smoking.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER it presents in 3 cases per 20 kids in a "temporary class" in north carolina while their school underwent renovation.
mircea_popescu: in other sorta-lulz : ewing's sarcoma is an extrmely rare (sarcomas are in general rare in humans, but this is bone-ish origin, so even rarer) that presents in about 5 cases per million in the us, about 2 cases per million in the rest of the "industrialized world" aka pantsuitlands, and sub 1 per million in the rest of the world in general.
BingoBoingo: * neo-cool21 has quit (Killed (Unit193 (Spam is not permitted on freenode.)) << Oh the IRC-Cops have a filter nao?
mod6: All: 0.00104167 BTC/mo. to attach an FG to your newly rented Rockchip!
mod6: Lords and Ladies, one rockchip has become available (ready by end of the week), who wants it! $75/mo if you sign up for a quarter, $100/mo on a month to month.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> BingoBoingo, mod6 : *196 == 'C' , confirmed << thanks asciilifeform!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-22 17:07 asciilifeform: interestingly, both tx and rx end is considerably simpler, physically, than conventional periodic radio -- you dun need oscillators, tuners, at all. aside from pulse shaper, whole thing fits in fpga.
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, asciilifeform derived the general form of pulse equation for http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837163 . and the antenna geometry... ☝︎
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !Qlater tell spyked any interest adding ^ functionality to spykedbot ? ☟︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-22#1630856 << apparently it's actually dead tho. ☝︎
asciilifeform: not terribly astonishing tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently they're all domestic routers.
mircea_popescu: apparently this is dead ?
mircea_popescu: lessee... what was the test ?
asciilifeform: ( i.e. pre-existing lusers, rather than sybils baked for the occasion )
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 20:18 deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/08/reddit-hacked-user-data-taken/ << Qntra - Reddit Hacked, User Data Taken
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it wouldn't surprise me if the spamola bots were fleanode lusers pwnd via http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838823 ☝︎
BingoBoingo: Aite, I'll walk over and stretch the legs now.
BingoBoingo: Whitened and bleached the random to the point the sweat stains leaked a very pattered yellowing
BingoBoingo: Well, that's why they call the beast "Dirty Randy"
mircea_popescu: you know, all these "Random names" have a distinct handmade flavour.
mod6: cool. the '196' number is what I received from ben in that latest document that I marked up.
BingoBoingo: Aite, alf should be able to confirm when he gets back from tea
mod6: All I know is that mats has number '196'.
mod6: ben_vulpes: can you send me this mapping if you have it?
BingoBoingo: mod6: The one in question is "C" correct?
mod6: BingoBoingo: feel free to wipe mats' rockchip when you have a spare moment.
asciilifeform: not only, but one can still get astonishingly fast adc isa cards secondhand, ready to roll.
mircea_popescu: (if the putative fast oscilloscope ever got interfaced with killer micro box, it'd be through isa also, i'm sure.) ☟︎
mircea_popescu: we're not the only ones to have noticed
asciilifeform: phunphakt : the slot connectors are still made.
asciilifeform: ( it wants 5v, which is a bitch, but not particularly hard to levelshift )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so happens i have a seekrit draft of ice40+isa toy
mircea_popescu: you know, i'm tempted to put "must have 4x isa" on the reqs list for tmsr mobo ANYWAY.
mircea_popescu: heck, right now typing on one.
asciilifeform: ( isa was a joy to interface, dun even need fpga, 3-4 ttl chips and you're cooking )
mircea_popescu: yeah, ye olde boards weren't unusable enough, had to get rid of amirite.
asciilifeform: 'can't have nice things'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only board holes in current boxen are pcie, and that's megatonne of stateful logic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could you make it a board ? use the agpx connector lol
mircea_popescu: but in any case usb-+ should not be on mainline kernel. let he who runs rockchip farm patch in the ugly.
asciilifeform: ( there's no reasonable way to connect it to pc , currently )
asciilifeform: incidentally , lack of a sane usb2 chipset is what's holding up the lyso crystal super-FG item
asciilifeform: imho at the very least usb jacks oughta default to 1, and if really needs the uglyhax of 2/3 should have to manually trigger. rather than the current sad.
asciilifeform: ( bad enuff that i only even have usb2, not 3, on dulap, and it takes 3hrs )
asciilifeform: i ain't waiting 3 wks to reimage a motherfuckign 64GB stick.
a111: Logged on 2018-08-01 21:36 asciilifeform: ( i can't afford it on dulap, because it also doubles as reimaging station for rockchippen , but s.mg prolly can safely say goodbye to usb3 )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-01#1838832 << i'll bet you you'll very much want to, and soon enough. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: losers shouldn't evne have cameras in the first place.