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nubbins`: how many H/s can
the average hungry person perform?
pankkake: let's say you give him a
tx or even a private key
to pay
the guy
nubbins`: you find a hungry person who can
transcribe a 16gb blockchain
to paper
nubbins`: well yes, obv it can be done by hand. is
that feasible?
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you
think about it, bitbet isn't "a betting site". bitbet is bitcoi ncourt, which is
to say a quick and flexible system
to resolve disputes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the guy with "his" 10 btc onfiscated seemed pretty shot.
mircea_popescu: bitbet did
the same
to a number of different processes, even if
teh community has not quite grasped how
deadweasel: There are no non-destructive ways
to decomplexify complex systems
nubbins`: next you'll be
telling me
that computers are required
too
nubbins`: wait, you mean we need infrastructure for btc
to work?
mircea_popescu: preferably starting with my comments as
to what bitcoin court
mircea_popescu: The current way of changing
the rules involves lobbying, deliberation, legislation and litigation—time-consuming, expensive activities for which
there will be neither
the
time nor
the resources.
There are no non-destructive ways
to decomplexify complex systems
Venat: man I need
to fucking kill somebody
mircea_popescu: "A safe and congenial environment for you and your children is obviously very nice, much better
than
trying
to survive among social predators." ummm.... we just went
through why it's very very bad. wtf is with
this guy.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel because
they care about more shit
than normal people.
mircea_popescu: he gets
that part right. children always were humanity's dispensable
test pod.
deadweasel: ^ how so? because
they're families drag-ass, get
them killed?
mircea_popescu: "
The children, who are already in
the habit of roaming
the streets in gangs and harassing and mugging strangers, now come
to serve as
the community's early warning system in case of an organized incursion."
mircea_popescu: ps were formed within a peaceful, civilized, law-abiding mode of social behavior. When
they are forced
to
turn
to scavenging, outright
theft and looting, prostitution, black market dealing and consorting with criminals,
they can no longer recognize in each other
the people
they knew before, and
the laboriously synthesized community again dissolves into nuclear families.
mircea_popescu: Unaccustomed
to operating outside
the law and having few connections with
the criminal underworld,
they are slow
to penetrate
the black market, which now offers
the only way
to obtain many necessary items, such as food, cooking fuel and medicines, including
the items
that had been previously looted from
their own stockpiles. Worse yet,
they once again become estranged from one another:
their acquaintances and friendshi
mircea_popescu: it doth denote instead
this hand which will beat you until you do what it bids you.
mircea_popescu: the invisible hand doth not denote
this hand
that'll do what you bid it do.
mircea_popescu: but he just claimed it fails
to make itself visible...
mircea_popescu: can't
tell if
trolling or retarded quite
to
the degree ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "Just as one would expect,
the invisible hand of
the market fails
to make itself visible, but it is plain
to see
that fuel is no longer delivered
to either of
these communities, although in
the second one some fuel is likely
to still be available on
the black market, at prices
that very few people can afford."
jcpham: i'm ready for urvival mode i
think
mircea_popescu: but generally, survival means getting quite well used
to
the idea
that you will be killing for all sorts of reasons
mircea_popescu: i guess once you've decided you shall be
the cow it may make sense
to
try and ensure you're a particularly milky one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform regardless,
they WILL all live
the same scenario.
mircea_popescu: in practical
terms, becoming an enforcer in your local drug
trade is much more survivalistic
mircea_popescu: then get
the people
to come up with a new constitution and so forth.
mircea_popescu: seek out and execute all law enforcement of any
type, hang all political representatives of
the old stystem in
the
town square and leave
them
there
to be eaten by
the crows
mircea_popescu: survivalism means, keeping a large enough group of determined individuals, who once govt collapses move in
to
take over
mircea_popescu: anyway, all
the "survivalist" crap understood as "o hey i store dried beans and ammo rounds" is nonsense
nubbins`: first example
that comes
to mind
nubbins`: would rather deal with rnc
than rcmp any day
nubbins`: they all have sidearms now
too
pankkake: but
they probably have access
to
them
nubbins`: rnc had shotguns
that
they had
to keep locked in
the
trunks of
their cars
nubbins`: even
the cops weren't allowed
to carry guns here until recently
mircea_popescu: "and
then looking
through old stuff i had in
the fridge i found an emerald"
mircea_popescu: the seat cushions of #bitcoin-assets shall become more fabled
than
those of
the shah of iran
ThickAsThieves: i feel guilty saying
this, but i just found like 600ltc i didnt know i had
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mircea_popescu: in
the current us cops are strictly pacified barbarian
tribes, "keeping
the peace" a la cumans in
the old republic.
nubbins`: lot of hurricane katrina horror stories on
the survivalist forums
mike_c: asciilifeform: great story about
the firewood. not often you read recent historical accounts of
this kind of stuff.
ozbot: BitBet - Litecoin (LTC)
to rise above 20USD each before Dec 25th
mircea_popescu: that means
their usual "fuck you, we want yoru stuff" is perhaps not
the be all, end all.
mircea_popescu: they feel
threatened when it's a case of "you fucked up, you're fucked"
mircea_popescu: perhaps
the deeply seated, secret reason why bitbet policy struck such a chord with
the multitudes.
nubbins`: "fuck him, let's
take it" is more
than enough justification
nubbins`: people will justify any action
to get what
they want
mircea_popescu: people, generally, will make any claim
that seems on
the balance of
the moment
to yield
them more beans.
nubbins`: nod, i've
told nobody but you guys about my stockpiles
jurov`: at least
they don't sell fiji water in romania i hope
nubbins`: (and
they seriously sell it in jugs like
that)
nubbins`: mircea_popescu:
that's not water,
that's soju
nubbins`: anyway
the police are generally fuckups here
deadweasel: yeah, moved away from
those areas
too.