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trinque: mircea_popescu: heh I don't mind; am merely setting expectations
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> now, can we has static etc 32 bit ? << yeah. we'll put that at the top of the list.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: so basically, you put archlinux according to ascii_field's brew on the pogo, and then compiled a static foundation bitcoind and loaded that up, and that's what we have now ?
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list << astute observation, which is why my patch was specifically labeled as a proof to nail down the locus of the problem, and not an item to be used on the battlefield.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the way system engineering is done, is either do not fix a problem, or else fix the problem. adding a problem++ to the list at the cost of a weekend is not on this list.
ascii_field: mod6, mircea_popescu: depending on what it means to fix the leak (total replacement for block sync mechanism and a mathematical proof for it? or something more like my patch ?) it could take anywhere from a weekend to maxint days
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: I'd already started on it
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: one of these things is not like the other, i think
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you familiar with how long current foundation patch took ?
mircea_popescu: apparently ascii_field wants a provably-correct stack of five layers of software before we ship out ten dollar items.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> (a passing draft will drop your channel capacity to nothing ?) << BUT DRM IN AUDIO WORKS!!!
mircea_popescu: inb4 ascii_field snore.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if you ask me, releasing the memleak version is lunacy
nubbins`: ascii_field that's what i'm wondering :0
ascii_field: mircea_popescu has it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but the 4gb is only because they run crud.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it's a 'banana pi'
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: mircea_popescu +1
mircea_popescu: ascii_field lol.
nubbins`: ascii_field i thought it was a raspi between two sheets of acrylic at first
thestringpuller: ascii_field: snore for now, but if they start selling, they lower barrier to fork.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: axe time has begun
BingoBoingo: !Up ascii_field
nubbins`: ben_vulpes mod6 mircea_popescu and other interested parties: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz
Adlai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spike_(missile)
mats: ascii_field: i think so. i believe the tip is transparent like the 'Sidewinder'
mats: ascii_field: iirc bezzle rate for live rounds are 70k+
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 09:25:50; mircea_popescu: cazalla you know how to set that shit up tho ?
mats: ascii_field: nah. acquaintance's.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu es.qntra sounds cool Seperate wordpress install for it does seem necessary
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
trinque: ascii_field: makes sense though that they would treat these like fire-once weapons
trinque: ascii_field: hm, I took the hard drive firmware situation to mean malware could hide and resurface without being detectable at the OS level
trinque: funkenstein_: you can moralize about any step in the supply chain of the thing
trinque: funkenstein_: openbsd doesn't come from an app store
trinque: funkenstein_: ascii_field may give you a beating if you claim you have full control over your software stack
mats: ascii_field: ha, no. a finalist from this year
trinque: funkenstein_: there's nothing wrong with paying for software
nubbins`: funkenstein_ are we even speaking the same language here?
nubbins`: funkenstein_ that said, if you know of a way i can turn my phone into a full-featured GPS unit for eight dollars, feel free to let me know
nubbins`: funkenstein_ problem is, i can't get much of a GPS app written for $8.
danielpbarron: funkenstein_> i refuse to admit that any creature would pay for an app << I've paid for a few
trinque: funkenstein_: weird way of saying warez? or do you only use open source?
nubbins`: funkenstein_ try asking a different way?
nubbins`: funkenstein_ i paid eight or so bucks for a GPS app, 10/10 would do again
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: ascii_field not unlike bitcoin, early "adopters" of writing ios apps scooped up most of the "free money"
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 09:57:56; punkman: "app rating farm" https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg
chetty: ascii_field, most likely no real knowledge of the gold rush
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: what, precisely, was it that you wanted from the jamaicans ?
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: Pierre_Rochard: keep nubbins`occupied while i'm gone, wouldja ?
Pierre_Rochard: pete_dushenski: ships that pass in the night, gday!
Pierre_Rochard: howdy pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: howdy Pierre_Rochard !
nubbins`: <+pete_dushenski> in that case, why bother doing better than fly guts kid ? <<< same reason one might bother to do worse: different tolerance for comforts or lack thereof
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:22:24; gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=17-03-2015#1055439 << http://imgur.com/SXdFiZx
nubbins`: pete_dushenski understand that you're a wallet with an afro when you visit resorts
nubbins`: pete_dushenski it's not effective --against you-- but it's *precisely effective* against the average vacationer.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: well it's in art in the sense of the Oracle from the Matrix. Once you realize there is a lot of "waiting" for events to occur, then it's best to spend the meanwhile in enjoyment.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski minimum wage in jamaica is $1.25/hr.
thestringpuller: i'm an expert time waster, and wasting time is an art pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: mats seems to be pushing his dual_ec point a bit. i'm... skeptical.
assbot: Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user mats: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/pete_dushenski/mats | http://w.b-a.link/user/mats
mats: what i'm saying is that, as the evidence stands, i'm unable to take a firmer position on Dual_EC than the previously accepted consensus that the weakness being a backdoor is quite unlikely, and that Dual_EC should be shunned only because of the abundance of caution with regard to any issues that is endemic to the crypto field
mats: that this happened at the same time as the push towards DUAL_EC as default looks incidental, not malicious
asciilifeform: mats: and what do you suppose it was for, if not dual_ec ?
nubbins`: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color#/media/File:Impossible_Colors,_Blue_and_Yellow,_for_3dTV.png
Adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=24-03-2015#1067856 << so when do we get op_ed25519verify ☝︎
Adlai: from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impossible_color
nubbins`: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/304rt1/anyone_else_getting_tired_of_this_bullshit/
asciilifeform: when ever man and woman who ever worked at nsa dies under torture and doesn't say anything about dual_ec - then i might believe 'mistake'
asciilifeform: mats: if you have philosophical objections to 'behave as if X even if possibly ~X is true' then try to come up with some other syllogism. but it -must- end in 'the people who gave us heartbleed and dual_ec DO NOT GET TO MAKE CRYPTO ANY MORE'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu uses word 'asset' for both, but they are distinct animals
asciilifeform: mats: at the risk of repeating myself, i will phrase my position as a kind of maxim: 'it is necessary to behave as if hearbleed and dual_ec were crafted vulns, regardless of any apparent evidence to the contrary'
mats: look, i'm putting my skepticism on the record. if there was evidence, it'd look like 'Tor Stinks' or the slides from Der Spiegel's work on the Belgacom pwnage. i'm not saying that Dual_EC_DRBG doesn't have obvious flaws or that anyone should continue using it, but my skepticism regarding it being an intentional backdoor remains
asciilifeform: mats: let me rephrase. i advocate that it is -wrong- to treat any case like dual_ec as anything other than sabotage
mats: for the record, there is still absolutely zero solid evidence that Dual_EC_DRBG is backdoored. the Snowden leaks never mention it by name, never talk about backdooring a CSPRNG, and indeed never talk about backdooring anything. the extent of what they mention is that NSA wanted to 'influence standards'
mats: i'm not convinced dual_ec_drbg is rigged
asciilifeform: now, afaik all available evidence suggests that american cryptological establishment is occupied mainly with crafting monstrosities like dual_ec_drbg - rather than actually breaking 'real' crypto
asciilifeform: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/03/24/world/crime-legal-world/police-unable-confirm-gang-rape-university-virginia/#.VRFybHW9_ft << this was brought up in an older thread iirc
nubbins`: a small amount of "can afford to lose, why not try btc" in 2012 provides the opportunity for "can afford to lose, why not try ___" in 2015
nubbins`: http://www.mrprint.com/images/news/red_chili_1418web.jpg
nubbins`: http://img35.olx.ua/images_slandocomua/181436811_1_644x461_ik-lampy-r7s-sushka-red-chili-mr-belaya-tserkov.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
jurov: http://bturn.com/10286/soviet-erotic-alphabet :B mircea_popescu asciilifeform
nubbins`: so without having the ability to check, i'd advance that SO_NOSIGPIPE might be an osx-specific fix
nubbins`: random forum quote: "In linux sockets (BSD 4.4 compliant) there something called MSG_NOSIGNAL"
nubbins`: replace MSG_NOSIGNAL flag with SO_NOSIGPIPE
nubbins`: sum total of changes: modify SSL_ARCH_TYPE to Darwin64-x86_64-cc
nubbins`: (example: sed 's/MSG_NOSIGNAL/SO_NOSIGPIPE/' on two files is approx. half the work)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thousands of sex offenders << my understanding is that the lion's share of these are 'statutory' violators
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but consider reconsidering
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if you really need a working crapple build i think mod6 had one