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mircea_popescu: Framedragger im not disputing the claim, just, now reading my otc logs with
a highliught on your name lol
mircea_popescu: anyway, the prognosis for loper-entrants seems to be
a lot worse than for trilema entrants. as gabriel_laddel points out, you're unhinged.
Framedragger: interestingly, i believe that i first discovered this insane asylum by reading loper-os (presumably same as gabriel_laddel). it appealed to me straight away because i could relate on
a purely technical level (inasmuch as
a youngling can 'relate', etc.) [also, registered nanotube's WoT key before mircea_popescu muaha]
mircea_popescu: Framedragger there's this phenomenon multiple people confessed to (inc, famously, pete_dushenski ) whereby trilema takes
a while to read but then clicks. that while is months. getting someone to read it for months as
a deliberate act seems beyond the feasible.
mircea_popescu: in
a sane country like say 1800s turkey we'd just go to the slave markets and buy the kids who washed their eyes in preference of their mouths.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the ftp repurposing is why i originally imagined he's got
a web server replacement.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel yes, but wouldja get yourself in
a position where we can help you already ?
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: it's not so bad. My life is actually pretty cool, just not found
a suitable gf and can only spend so much time looking per day.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: then inform them off the "Without explaining the images, they had shown the book to their patients and asked them to pick
a favorite. Every single one of them chose their drug of dependence, with 100 percent accuracy. Even the secretary who only ever drank coffee chose caffeine."
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I then ask people if they want to participate in
a psychology experiment, have them select their favorite 3 photos from the 22 I have.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: which is nice and all, but sounds too romanticized for my tastes. "be practical, get
a gpg key on
a machine that *is* connected to the net, and *later* get
a proper one" is imho
a sane approach at this point in time.
gabriel_laddel: I have
a CLIM application that has those photos + other photos of alcohol & cocaine.
trinque: go to
a yoga class and then talk to the teacher chick about how your chakras are all clogged or w/e
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I even created
a program to meet girls.. no dice thus yet.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: which is the correct solution at his age ; hire
a receptionist gf to handle the whole circus.
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: the way I want people to get masamune is "have to know
a guy"
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: sure, but I'd be generating
a key on something that regularly connects to the internet.
gabriel_laddel: I've not generated
a new one because it cannot be done securely due to nonsense in my life right now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not even sure there's
a better place to do something of the scale of "clim computer" than low security us jail.
phf: presumably he doesn't have
a key, because there's no openpgp implementation in common lisp...
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: get
a second point and draw
a line, even
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel make
a corp already ; it's like fiddy bux, can be done online, then you can be the officer get bank accounts deposit cash get warehouse rented sleep there.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i hear ya, i'm interested to take
a peek at the thing, tho.
phf sold
a handful of asterisk + sbcl boxes in the past
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: and you don't have
a linux distro to sell.
Framedragger: gabriel_laddel: you need an ssh account on
a vps?
trinque: mircea_popescu: he'll have
a hundred bux for teh candy
gabriel_laddel: phf: anyways, I only think we'll be using the browser as
a tool to suck information out of into CLIM in the near future.
mircea_popescu: aaaand you can't rent
a place because no bank accounts, amirite.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wish i knew someone in san francisco who wasn't
a bum.
trinque: it's clear asciilifeform should've started
a guild
mircea_popescu: Framedragger note that there isn't any serious "bitcoin invoicing" thing. you can have
a "take customer;'s bitcoin and give me fiatola", there's 500x of those. there's NO "take customer's fiatola and give me btc"
mircea_popescu: yes, but as
a more general thing, re earlier discussion. bitcoin has 0 infrastructure, just
a bunch of dorkage.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger he's
a fine example actually. has
a fucking "shopify" thing because...well ? idiots want my cc. what's he to do, practically, "dude don't checkout with paypal but instead..."
gabriel_laddel: Framedragger: and it is integrated into the lisp environment via
a socket connection.
mircea_popescu: this guy needs
a girlfriend stat. preferably
a ho that comprehends the points about infrastructure.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: no passport, but that sounds like
a plan.
Framedragger: i still don't understand how much of
a browser replacement it is. interesting, tho. what does gabriel_laddel mean, "can gmail"? => can javascript?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so how about you hop in
a plane and bring me
a coupla ? i'll buy you
a steak even!
☟︎ mircea_popescu: well yes, from what i understood you've been trying to stand up
a whole thing, from hardware ?
gabriel_laddel: anyways, the point of this scheme is that it can be implemented in all of
a week for someone who has some spare compute sitting around (ie, not me right now)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very much
a mistake. i was going to say something derisive about the % but then i passed.
mircea_popescu: so basically, you're talking about
a client stack on which
a browser-like could be stood up ?
gabriel_laddel: ascii confessed to having
a 90% complete version months ago.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: noted. (that's actually
a problem i'm always easy to be set off on
a stupid rant, but it's harder to be constructive etc. not that this is
a unique trait. and there's
a superficial connection to the whole rant-y nature of things, that is:
gabriel_laddel: The way this will work: an invite-only IRC channel with
a +v voice model is used to send s-expression strings between networked CLIM applications.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you want to write
a monograph on that topic i'd read.
trinque: Framedragger: it has
a couple of paid consulting firms driving it though
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: you're going to have to give "web can now be
a thing"
a bit more detail
Framedragger: you know, i wonder how postgresql has managed not to die, and to remain, as far as i can see it,
a quality product still. both in terms of codebase, and in terms of the set of maintainers and current engineers. probably very strict selection criteria, very strong people in the initial set (funded by / researchers at .su technical uni etc)
mircea_popescu: yeah. in different terms, if you run
a shop selling denim overalls for farmers and miners and notice that this magazine sells (quite lucratively!) chiffon dresses to boston ladies,
mircea_popescu: well, no. the objection is, in nucet, that you've not so far proposed
a bridge over the gap of "the republic is about empowering people to matter in the world and the redditardisms are about assuring cattle that their play will have no consequences"
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: regarding the "let's do cicada" objection - there probably are several angles which one could counter with - is the main one basically what trinque said, i.e., it's
a form of (dishonest, to boot) bait-and-switch, which selects for some $random_criterion and the latter may not at all translate into what's actually useful?
Framedragger: "The third period, as we have seen, was prepared in 1897 and [...] was
a period of disunity, dissolution, and vacillation. [...] by way of summing up what has been expounded above, we may meet the question, What is to be done? with the brief reply: Put an End to the Third Period."
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 17:39 mircea_popescu: but it is reassuring to see that
a century later, the menshevik-bolshevik debate is all happily chugging along.
mircea_popescu: 2021 ? you folks'd better provision, there's literally no telling what
a bitcent means in four years
trinque watched
a vid of his new floating stage today
mircea_popescu: which explains why "
a fascination with the complexity of universe" or similar blabla is so predictive of idiocy (call it iyi, jewry, whatever) : the dude who goes "i fucking love science!!1" in response to artist's renditions of galaxies has
a very low tolerance to complexity.
mircea_popescu: "rather than have you evaluate 1bn datapoints, how about i send you the number 4
a thousand trillion times*"
mircea_popescu: apparently if i have
a billion datapoints and
a billion idiots who can't, individually, evaluate
a thousand data points, the solution is to create
a list of all the thousand trillion "evaluations" of each data point by each idiot, and then list those. because why deal with
a billion when i could deal with
a thousand trillion.
mircea_popescu: hence why any "discussion" of the global warming scam by the proponents starts and ends with
a litany of... all the proponents that agree with this proponent.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing substantively making the data less comprehensible than the commentary. on the contrary, if you had to write
a parser it'd be easier to write it for the data - the commentary is baseless and as such incomprehensible through sheer variance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even, it's more
a matter of "but the wall meat is pink and his meat is purple. purple is better"
mircea_popescu: the model for the situation is roughly speaking that of
a man caught in
a prison made out of cooked meat, walls so thick he can't physically eat his way through - and his reaction is to raise cattle to make sausage.
mircea_popescu: it's
a very interesting paradoxical effect this, from either
a cultural anthropology or
a gnoseology angle, that when deluged with first hand data the human brain reacts by secreting and seeking out... commentary, which is to say spurious text that's not even data.
mircea_popescu: never fear the FEARFUL!!!1 by consensus, what's awesome by everyone's agreement is always the magical wizard of oz,
a hunchback old codger behind
a mirror.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 17:49 asciilifeform: ( in related 'news', phuctor 'fan' :
https://archive.is/dQFvt >> 'Oh, the Phuctor guy. Ignore him, he has
a history of spreading FUD about PGP being horribly broken and accusing anyone who corrects him of being part of some elaborate cover-up (and in at least one case, threatening to contact the university of the person who did so. ' )
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569826 << meanwhile read the source. phoronix forum lel. anyway - funnily enough, and predictably enough the dude plays the "commentary supersedes reality" game, and purports to handwave the... what is it, 1.5k cracked moduli with loose discussion of
a coupla imaginary examples he came up with on the spot, notwithstanding that after all the whole fucking thing is published.
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