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asciilifeform: with signatures a 'donation of constantine' scenario falls immediately out.
asciilifeform: one reason why signatures are a uniquely useful things is that they can outlive creator.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 19:55 danielpbarron: that's what sigs are for, one-off "maje sure you get this text unmolested" ; ~not~ here is a public record of official signed things
asciilifeform: a gedankenexperiment.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: please paint a picture for us, of the danger
trinque: that isn't a statement with content
trinque: I didn't hear a position other than "not needed"
asciilifeform: a signed rating is a correct use of the robot. in fact vtronics consists entirely of this type of thing
phf: he's arguing a position against yours. he's not getting in your way. perhaps he's trying to say that he's not particularly eager to have dozens of his own signatures floating around with some opaque digital data in there directed at machine?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's original 'gossiptronic' argument -- and i suppose he can elaborate when he wakes up -- was that a signature is a kind of autonomous and indestructible truth-telling robot, that can be of use to the enemy if one is not careful about when you create it and out of what
trinque: in advance, rather than once upon a fuckup
phf: trinque: why not? my responsibility, the log, failed as a combination of things inside of my control and outside of my control. i apologized and tried better next time. it's not a bad system.
asciilifeform: yes, enemy can lock you in a cave and show you old ratings until you die of old age
trinque: "don't need" is the sort of squishy lazy compromise that'd better have a reason
danielpbarron: the ratings are a guide. the WoT is people. do you think this whole chat has been mitm'd for the last howevermany years and nobody noticed?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron's argument, if i understand it, is that folx are doomed to have to ask, e.g., mircea_popescu directly, for mircea_popescu's ratings, because otherwise enemy can win against, e.g., danielpbarron, by locking him inside a bottle where mircea_popescu's ancient and long-revoked rating of magicaltux still stands because signed ??
danielpbarron: compare it with a signed backup you made?
danielpbarron: that's what sigs are for, one-off "maje sure you get this text unmolested" ; ~not~ here is a public record of official signed things ☟︎
asciilifeform: a signature simply states that 'at time t, the following...'
asciilifeform: there is not a cure for this, other than to stay 'in the light cone'
danielpbarron: there is no "verifying a rating" beyond asking the rater yourself ☟︎
trinque: in one case, both parties can verify a rating using the rating material itself.
trinque: but at any rate, making the WoT something that can be rebuilt from public information when I am dead is a good thing ☟︎
trinque: under the present scheme I could do the same, but have to trust the wire to be honest, or find a better wire, which proceeds towards dragging gossipd in as a dependency
trinque would not hate life as a space pirate
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 14:56 mircea_popescu: trinque here's a strategic point for your consideration : eulora will move to a rsa auth model sometime next year. this means the client generates itself a key, and talks to the server. i don't want to create a special deedbot for eulora, and so, how do we best interoperate them so that i have rate and deeds in-game ? (ideally the wot visualisations and other such beauty also)
a111: Logged on 2016-03-29 17:58 asciilifeform: phf: seveneves was a misery
phf: according neil stephenson in such a situation only womens will survive ☟︎
mats: i mean specifically the folks ~in space~ rather than those on earth, aspiring to be there. no longer taking free air, water, food for granted, cooperating to survive in vacuum or organizing as a society to terraform $planet
a111: Logged on 2016-11-01 21:29 asciilifeform: trinque: consider: a 'saturn' and the maersk cargo fleet cost similarly. but they are unlike: 'saturn' is a cult/religious object (in the sense where nobody seriously attempts to calculate its roi) , rather more like the great pyramids.
mats: i have half a dozen of them hanging and another ten or eleven in a crate
mats has a great travel poster of olympus mons
asciilifeform: aha, in the 'black schools' there is neverending fight, like in a prison, and even bouncers to pry apart especially eager folk. and everyone with 'room temperature iq' however you measure it, also ☟︎
trinque: US is not a homogenous ball of gray goo
phf: when i came to u.s. my biggest surprise was that locals are into neither. you try and rough them up they think you some kind of crazy person, you try and get them into a debate they get all scared and confused.
phf: people i knew back home were much more into verbal sparring, but following the same principles, you enter into dialog take a lot of abuse hope to come out on top, but at the end everyone's friends
phf: i met this small family of germans on a vacation growing up, and they were very visceral, roughing and tumbling with each other, and when i joined in their play, it was tough, they'd punch hard and try and sink you in the pool, but they acted same way with each other and just generally enjoyed what was happening. in fact i'm pretty sure they took it easy on me. i remembering thinking that they were like wolf cubs (they were from Dresden
mats: at least half a dozen by my count ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "i got a bun in the oven, or maybe i'm just late, does ivan still drink ?"
phf: "i have this idea for a project, maybe i'll complete it by the end, or maybe i won't even start, so what are you working on?"
mircea_popescu: the focus moves from achievement to "we were physically together tapping keys for a time" i nthe exact same sense iranian women hang out together in the kitchen. "participative experience".
mircea_popescu: phf incidentally, to round the thing, let's compare the 90s compo with the 2010s hackathon. o, that's right, these lame kids come from schools with no grades! the concept of there being a winner, of choice and hierarchy is all but lost.
mircea_popescu: i can't say i ever used either that much to tell, but i did fuck around with art studio a lot as a 6 yo
mircea_popescu: about 2k for a 900sqft furnished in downtown shanghai
mircea_popescu: place's been coming in a big way since the 1859 gold find put it on the map, and throughout this century and a half it never ammounted to more than high rents and jam tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: and for the record, this has been ongoing. in 1916 it was EXACTLY the same nonsense "oh, california is coming in a big way, let's move the theatrical company over".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: california may have sucked , but apparently evil martians put shockley and fairchild there as a joke upon us earthlings , to see 'what if idiot farmer wins lottery'
asciilifeform: funnily enough asciilifeform never touched one, except for a very sad mid-2000s post-degringolade issue of '2600'
phf: but i was going to say, amusingly enough the whole "cyberpunk/cypherpunk/whatever" thing came from san francisco, and that's what all the jwzs grew up with. "mondo" which later became "boing boing" (and had a blog with same name in the early 2000s) http://theendofbeing.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/defd4d784f2e7c1978d81b99904c7869_large.jpg http://sangbleumagazine.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Mondo-1.jpg
mircea_popescu: "Keep in mind we do all this, because we can and because we like the thrilling excitement of winning over the other competing groups. We absolutely don't do all these releases, to please the general user that rather want to spend their cash on updating to the latest hardware, and see's the scene releases as a source to play all these games for free." << all the way down to despising the consumer / i just want to jwz.
asciilifeform: commodore (with the exception of the weirdo dual-cpu variant of the '128', and an expander cartridge for 64 ) -- never sold a z80
mircea_popescu: nah, z80, usually as a commodore
mircea_popescu: back when /me still had a lot of faith in humanity, /me still didn't give a rat's ass about the us.
asciilifeform: quite a few marvels of asm
phf: true, i was a small child then, but my first exposure to gatherings were through demoscene
mircea_popescu: no, that's a gathering.
phf: hackathon is a period of time for exclusively remote teams to get together and work on some problems that benefit from face to face, or more generally a period of uninterrupted work done by an asynchronous team. that's the original and the only meaning in the spirit of "consult the dictionary"
asciilifeform to this very day has nfi what precisely is a 'hackathon'
mircea_popescu: can i just buy a hackathon keychain already ?
mircea_popescu: o look, they "hosted a hackathon"
mircea_popescu: Sally Lehrman, founder of the Trust Project - an organisation set up to re-establish trust in mainstream media - told the BBC: "We don't know enough yet to know how it affected the election but we do know that fake news travels rapidly and it can change the conversation, not just by misinforming people but by focusing attention on something that may not be the issue. It is a real danger to democracy."
mircea_popescu: "A report from BuzzFeed found that, in the final three months of the US presidential campaign, the top-performing fake election news stories on Facebook generated more engagement than the top stories from major news outlets such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post, NBC News and others." <<->> http://trilema.com/2016/the-war-with-the-press/
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: iirc this was in the l0gz a few days ago
asciilifeform pictures a dildonic analogue end for FUCKGOATS
asciilifeform: the difficulty comes when you wish to make one that remains cryptologically acceptable when it becomes a mass-produced and published product.
asciilifeform: though i may have explained this before, long ago in the l0gz, it is NOT difficult to make a quite acceptable trng
asciilifeform: a quite separate problem, and anyone who ACTUALLY owns the rtlsdr unit knows of it, is the usb
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is that the thing hangs on a megatonne of open Sores shitware that is >trb-sized
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem is not that you cannot turn a radio-in-faraday-cage into a baroque version of FUCKGOATS
mircea_popescu: i suppose getting two tuned to the same frequency and then debiasing them together may result in something (precisely because taking advantage of n in that horrible snr). otherwise with a single item... tough.
mircea_popescu: did you see the guy who had a "for free just as good version" consisting of buying a software radio thing (for slightly more than what FUCKGOATS costs) and you know, listening to man made "entropy"
asciilifeform: speaking of 'great walls', http://insights.ubuntu.com/2016/12/01/taking-a-stand-against-unstable-risky-unofficial-ubuntu-images/
asciilifeform: 'the americans' are no moar a civilization, to whom a continent can belong, than 'the romans' are today.
asciilifeform: i dun have a good eye inside cn. but from outside it would appear that it still belongs to the chinese, and is resistant to twitterocratization
mircea_popescu: not like they're sitting around wearing kimonos and laughing at the idiocy of dicking around with a small plastic lavalamp.
mircea_popescu: stupid naturally herds together, and to very much the same degree. there isn't anything you can do about it, and ftr the shepherd FOLLOWS the herd, doesn't lead it. he may imagine he leads it, if it makes him feel better about living in the middle of nowhere among a pile of animal dung, but whatevers.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-02 14:32 mircea_popescu: apparently the fact that it never worked worth a shit doesn't deter anyone. bureaucrats are not just stupid - but committed to stay that way.
mircea_popescu: not a very flattering eggog at that.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: if you submit non-GPG it give you pretty error. again not that it matters...just a thing.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that's a default eggog
mircea_popescu: trinque here's a strategic point for your consideration : eulora will move to a rsa auth model sometime next year. this means the client generates itself a key, and talks to the server. i don't want to create a special deedbot for eulora, and so, how do we best interoperate them so that i have rate and deeds in-game ? (ideally the wot visualisations and other such beauty also) ☟︎
asciilifeform: everything ~had~, once, a meaning.
mircea_popescu: just like investment has a meaning, it's not "anything idiots spend money on"
mircea_popescu: "doubling down" has a meaning, it's not "everything idiots do when not doing wagner+cyanide"
asciilifeform: afaik there is not a third
mircea_popescu: apparently the fact that it never worked worth a shit doesn't deter anyone. bureaucrats are not just stupid - but committed to stay that way. ☟︎
asciilifeform: will be a lul to watch.
asciilifeform: latest word is that a list of sov^H^H^Hru 'stooges' is in the works, and who knows, isp filter
mircea_popescu: "thios website is considered a questionable source" being the giveaway. i suppose the idea is thetimes.whitehouse.gov is unquestionable ?
asciilifeform: 'Sally Lehrman, founder of the Trust Project - an organisation set up to re-establish trust in mainstream media - told the BBC: "We don't know enough yet to know how it affected the election but we do know that fake news travels rapidly and it can change the conversation, not just by misinforming people but by focusing attention on something that may not be the issue. "It is a real danger to democracy."'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-17 17:02 mircea_popescu: Framedragger the reason there's a lot of credence in phf's perhaps harsh criticism is http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/
mircea_popescu: (for the innocent : there was a 2015 "we'll take mosul in spring" thing, also. you never hear anything about it today BECAUSE the key of usg behaviour is exactly http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-17#1523269 : they make one a year. if this year's fails then "it never really happened" ; if it succeeds then "see, we always win, told you so!") ☝︎
mircea_popescu: anyway. the battle for mosul, originally slated to end about a month ago, and then upgraded to end about today, has been upgraded again to take "months" hence. i think i want a refund.
Framedragger: yeah. good to have a concrete reference in mind i guess.
Framedragger: (oh also, shot from a real gun for first time yesterday. pretty cool. never thought there'd be that much of a gun powder smell, and flash of light.)
Framedragger: interestingly i find the .ko boyz quite subdued, i mean in all kinds of senses incl libido, but that may very well be a very superficial impression
Framedragger: this randomly reminded me of this film ^ from czechoslovakia. mircea_popescu probably knows. there's a scene with the guy stamping the girl in the train station. it's beautiful. (but for srsly. 1960s .cz film, you know)
mircea_popescu: apparently not. anyway, the mp sandwich includes a layer of sour cream.
shinohai: The work of a milkmaid is honorable work http://i.imgur.com/fZs0RHz.jpg
Framedragger: never had a thing for large asses and boobs. maybe 'cause i'm quite small...