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decimation: funkenstein_: congrats on getting groupies

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have (or rather had) a mole there.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ... stalin << aha, who else

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... oddly, this sounds exactly like social studies. << astronomy/astrology. note how useful -legit- astronomy was for most of its history.

decimation: mircea_popescu: I would note that singapore exhibits all the signs of burning through their 'stored fuel'

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assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:43:33; ascii_field: because the only approach that i believe to be correct, will result in something tangible only long after we are all dead.

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:43:08; ascii_field: trinque: the normal paradigm of investment and return fails here

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, I want serious "get off my lawn" power. Also tilling the garden hydraulicly would be pretty sweet.

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:38:00; ascii_field: trinque: who was korolev's capitalist ?

Chillum: he was _NOT_ gentle

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I need to get in far better shape. Volunteers get Illinois "pensions" so very competive.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It turns into a crude glass and absorbs heat energy in the course of that. Worthless if on wooden desk, pretty useful if on bare concrete

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure. but even place with indications of value can hold a lot.

mircea_popescu: "ascii_field: the only thing i can promise for the $trillion is: more material for the next fella to work with" << oddly, this sounds exactly like social studies.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I mean fire's favorite direction is up. That and Lithium batteries have a shit lifetime anyways.

Chillum: mircea_popescu: she would not get it

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is ahead of the game as usual:

assbot: Logged on 07-05-2014 03:00:40; mircea_popescu: this is like having a 40 yo chick come to you for dancing lessons and you telling her "missing ingredient is you being 20". why tyvm, mr expert guy!

assbot: Logged on 07-05-2014 03:02:32; mircea_popescu: if you have 20 bux spare you'll get a manicure, maybe you find some guy that's not an asshoel.

asciilifeform is presently wondering whether, if mircea_popescu's prescription 'be young and female' were an actual algorithm that folks could -execute- - how many would

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: whaack why would nickserv drop an account ? i never heard of this. << They drop registrations after just a few weeks of disuse, because Freenode

asciilifeform: the fact of the matter appears to be (ben_vulpes and his experiment, etc) that the folks who pay for ads are largely the old cargo cultists and have very little to do with bitcoin, for perfectly logical reasons of it being a bugspray against their species

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:19:28; ascii_field: Chillum: not all applications call for security << ?!?!!!!

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> i wonder if it's also actually correct. << it doesn't -get- much more correct.

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... dude, why so disdainful ? if you don't trust people you don't know on the basis of what they write << because i can see the hallmarks of educated mendacity. the man, whoever he is, knows that i know the history. and pretends otherwise, and that he has some sort of 'lesson' for old ignorant me. i know the type, they infest (or once did) my comments section.

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> ... actually being a woman, especially if young, and very very easy is what offers the best chance of survival. << 'how to avoid drowning at sea?' 'be water'

trinque: mircea_popescu: indeed; that job was a shitshow

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:18:35; ascii_field: -because- incremental.

Chillum: mircea_popescu: that is an interesting idea. How does bidding work? People just send their bid, then what happens when someone outbids them

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> i used to have a huge library, i wouldnt buy a book today. << i still do, but it is shrinking, shrinking...

Chillum: mircea_popescu: there is a youtube video of a guy making a wifi controllable lamp

asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> what exactly would prevent me from beating the shit out of the 'villagers' << i did try to point this out, l0l

BingoBoingo: ascii_field: actually farting sarin gas and spitting bullets at your enemies would be your best bet. << Greatest challenge is storing it in the colon without absorbing it.

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:14:35; ascii_field: go, use.

Chillum: These guys field test them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BYdZ_24yg0

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 20:05:18; ascii_field: funkenstein_: if you know the organism in question, link him to my answer.

Adlai: mircea_popescu: excellent the quote, or the thread-annotator concept?

trinque: mircea_popescu: alf says the guy needs to burn all his women to make the computer

Adlai: mircea_popescu: no! envision a secretary, lurking in-channel, tagging each message with the 'thread' to which it belongs

trinque: mircea_popescu: what is the alternate phrasing?

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:57:02; ascii_field: trinque: why would any powerful man use himself as another's rocket fuel? << in so long as this is phrased this way in his head - never.

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:55:32; Chillum: ascii_field: I honestly think keeping a low profile would offer a higher chance of survival than using a lot of force. I would carry a weapon but try my hardest not to reveal it, and use it if I do

trinque: mircea_popescu: stan likes to bring up russian scientists

trinque: mircea_popescu: is this idea of the colossal project a russian thing?

trinque: mircea_popescu: right, this seems directly at odds with the multigenerational, self-sacrificial quest for truth

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:52:08; trinque: funkenstein_: I'm not saying long term projects can't exist; however, I think they're doomed if they do not benefit the participants all along the way

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:50:13; ascii_field: and somehow can turn into goodies by itself

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:47:50; ascii_field: 'And so, the answer to the perennially annoying question “How do I invest my money for it to survive financial, political and commercial collapse?” is this: “There is no answer to your question. Try asking a different question, to which there might be an answer.”'

shinohai: may iask mircea_popescu what u think i try so hard at ?

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:39:27; ascii_field: trinque: again can't speak for you, but i can't create the customer any more than can create the weather.

shinohai: I have actually quoted you before mircea_popescu

assbot: Logged on 10-04-2015 19:13:36; ascii_field: or the absurdity you were asked to believe, that villagers could have 'food flown in' in exchange for collectively 'picking up gold flakes'

shinohai: o/ mircea_popescu

ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, it'd be http://qntra.net/2015/04/battle-for-the-right-to-play-old-multiplayer-games-take-shape

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

ascii_field: funkenstein_: likely means that there is a revocator packet in there for some key you don't have in your collection

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

funkenstein_: ascii_field wut?

trinque: ascii_field: no that was precisely my point earlier

ascii_field: to wrap up the thread, when i spoke of 'fanatic' i was referring precisely to mircea_popescu's 'act from cause not towards purpose' maxim.

chetty: second that ascii_field

chetty points at ascii_field

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

trinque: ascii_field: ah, I am not also saying that because something's not at walmart it doesn't really exist. the market being skewed towards morons is a separate problem which needs to be solved

trinque: ascii_field: looks like his capitalist was the soviet state

ascii_field: funkenstein_: aha let's change subject, sure

trinque: ascii_field: was he permitted to benefit from the fruits of his own labor, or did this belong to some all-owning state? I am not familiar enough with Russian history to say.

trinque: funkenstein_: oh come on

trinque: ascii_field: I do indeed read the logs

trinque: funkenstein_: he's already talked at length about FPGA

trinque: ascii_field: are there not smaller discoveries which would be useful independently which would build towards the final product?

assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 21:13:46; mircea_popescu: the entire "act from cause not towards purpose" thing on trilema is exactly a vaccine against that.

ascii_field: funkenstein_: until you grasp it, we have nothing to discuss

trinque: funkenstein_: that I get 100%

trinque: ascii_field: say you burn a trillion dollars on this thing and it simply never works

Chillum: ascii_field: my point was if someone hacks my camera trigger device they can take pictures and then I will unplug it

trinque: ascii_field: doesn't seem that nature takes these massive leaps

trinque: ascii_field: the idea was you get everything modeled relationally, and then user can reason about schema rather than myriad other representations of structure

trinque: ascii_field: I bring this up because this was a far more incremental change to the stack than you propose, and it still failed miserably

trinque: ascii_field: drunk at least, mostly dead

trinque: ascii_field: the company of course folded because he let a mundane consulting business die because this relational userland he was after was "obviously where computing should go"

ascii_field: funkenstein_: expecting an answer to this question in a sentence is the height of folly

ascii_field: funkenstein_: wake us up when you get something like intel 4004.

ascii_field: funkenstein_: whatcha waiting for

asciilifeform: !up ascii_field

trinque: ascii_field | trinque: are you able to see value in the truth as an abstract ? << I had the opportunity to work for a guy that thought the relational database should be central to operating system design

ascii_field: funkenstein_: go and see how much physical space 1kb of memory takes up in a way you can -personally- construct from discrete transistors.

ascii_field: funkenstein_: depends

ascii_field: funkenstein_: i am always entertained by folks commenting 'he does not know history of computing', when themselves they do not even know most of it, because it happened on the wrong side of the atlantic

ascii_field: funkenstein_: if you know the organism in question, link him to my answer. ☟︎

trinque: ascii_field: also how do you get someone who's sufficiently fanatical to do the project yet rational enough to do it correctly?

Chillum: ascii_field: I honestly think keeping a low profile would offer a higher chance of survival than using a lot of force. I would carry a weapon but try my hardest not to reveal it, and use it if I do ☟︎

trinque: ascii_field: slaves, sure

trinque: funkenstein_: I'm not saying long term projects can't exist; however, I think they're doomed if they do not benefit the participants all along the way ☟︎

trinque: funkenstein_: sure if we substitute my tangible feeling of "being" for some abstract soul which the society may chain to popular groupthink, we can make people do all kinds of things

Chillum: ascii_field: same goes for food and other supplies