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gabriel_laddel: trinque: because I've had issues with sockets in lisp every single time I've used them, whereas irc works fine every time.

asciilifeform: it is as if i asked 'how does your proposed replacement for tetracycline work' and gabriel_laddel answered 'tetraethyl lead in my 100 octane avgas prevents engine knock'

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: noted. (that's actually a problem i'm always easy to be set off on a stupid rant, but it's harder to be constructive etc. not that this is a unique trait. and there's a superficial connection to the whole rant-y nature of things, that is:

mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you want to write a monograph on that topic i'd read.

Framedragger: they invite student interns to write stuff, too, and afaik it's high quality, too. again, just good selection i guess. but also - interest to participate.

Framedragger: you know, i wonder how postgresql has managed not to die, and to remain, as far as i can see it, a quality product still. both in terms of codebase, and in terms of the set of maintainers and current engineers. probably very strict selection criteria, very strong people in the initial set (funded by / researchers at .su technical uni etc)

gabriel_laddel: tsmr~ web can now be a thing: I fixed CL-FTP

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: regarding the "let's do cicada" objection - there probably are several angles which one could counter with - is the main one basically what trinque said, i.e., it's a form of (dishonest, to boot) bait-and-switch, which selects for some $random_criterion and the latter may not at all translate into what's actually useful?

Framedragger: (hm, looks lamer when put as an irc line, i'faith.)

Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569820 << heh, incidentally -- Что делать? is still on my reading list. at the very least seems to be a decent rhetorical piece. i mean, the ending is cool - literally the last words are, ☝︎

ben_vulpes: "i ben vulpes, identifed"

mircea_popescu: which explains why "a fascination with the complexity of universe" or similar blabla is so predictive of idiocy (call it iyi, jewry, whatever) : the dude who goes "i fucking love science!!1" in response to artist's renditions of galaxies has a very low tolerance to complexity.

mircea_popescu: in the end, the only difference between us and them is that we're not particularly impressed with the notion of "bn datapoints!!1" because whatever, i'll just cat/grep them. their computer only has notepad and it can't load bn line files.

mircea_popescu: "rather than have you evaluate 1bn datapoints, how about i send you the number 4 a thousand trillion times*"

mircea_popescu: no, the more i think about it, the more this makes sense.

mircea_popescu: apparently if i have a billion datapoints and a billion idiots who can't, individually, evaluate a thousand data points, the solution is to create a list of all the thousand trillion "evaluations" of each data point by each idiot, and then list those. because why deal with a billion when i could deal with a thousand trillion.

mircea_popescu: hence the whole "i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "i don't want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside) i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible."

a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 16:42 mircea_popescu: there's an advertising site ben_vulpes tried to make long ago (which is what jurov was referring to - though iirc i handled payments there) ; there's also the http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ which may be related (at least in the social component). should it be related ?

ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569605 << just because i didn't detail how to deal with idiot customers doesn't mean that you can't also look for mismatched amounts and resolve it yourself ☝︎

a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 12:01 mircea_popescu: read more like "i'm not smart enough for this one, try next door" to me :)

a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 08:50 jurov: i just threw my hands in disgust and use electrum. negrate as you wish.

mircea_popescu: even the quoted statement is a disguised tautology. "don't herd with the guy that's not herding with the herd." hurr durr, i totally needed a degree in something of the other studies to figure this much out!

mircea_popescu: see, you lose. i "have a history" of rape and terrorism. 1-0.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i still believe it's "no matter what happens, wow will not tell me anything about myself."

mircea_popescu: i suppose the intimate history of red radicalism is only familiar to dedicated entomologists.

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569777 << actually there is another destructive force at work, also. i once knew a very capable d00d who ended up quitting serious research (he was a biologist) to play 'world o' warcraft'. he explained it as 'the game gives steady reward morsels, my research was a possibly lifelong brick wall' (not his exact words, but this was long ago) ☝︎

trinque: this idea of marketing with some bait and switch proceeds directly to a bunch of "fuck you, I'm just here to ..."

Framedragger: (i'm sorry, i'm just tired.)

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'm off home from work. will try to formulate sth constructive later

mircea_popescu: and no, it requires no skill, it requires a specific representation to be believably made. that "nothing will happen". i can't make that, nor do i wish to (these two are related).

Framedragger: i've seen attempts to post on bitcointalk, with the psychological safety of knowing that if it fails, "well it's shitty redditard forums anyway, who cares"

Framedragger: so if tmsr did something like that cicada challenge, with a properly formulated marketing strategy, maybe motivated people would turn up. i haven't seen an honest marketing attempt by republican folk, but then, i've probably not seen enough.

asciilifeform: 'people' as broad class historically have barely been capable of wiping own arse. i was referring to the formerly sometimes-capable right tongue of bell curve, not to cattle.

Framedragger: there, as in say, in the challenge in question? i would imagine, curiosity, and a deeper need to do something smart and meaningful, and hoping that the people organizing this give such an opportunity. and folx are willing to spend many hours pursuing that.

mircea_popescu: i'm not terribly optimistic of that "healthy attachment" in the general form.

mircea_popescu: i dunno how would anyone ever argue in favour of the foss delusion. the data's pretty clear.

Framedragger: ...instead of, say, looking for intelligent motivated folk? not that i know how to do the latter. /me interrupts

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: re. bdsm board, sure it could be, the latter, as i understood it, would be a general e2e encrypted forum board (permanent post) solution with signatures etc.

mircea_popescu: there's an advertising site ben_vulpes tried to make long ago (which is what jurov was referring to - though iirc i handled payments there) ; there's also the http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/ which may be related (at least in the social component). should it be related ? ☟︎

mircea_popescu: there's on top of that also the question of tooling. consider : had i pushed hard on this three years ago when it first came around (and pankake tried to make it) we'd have ended up with non-v software. that'd have sucked ; but at the time i didn't know what exactly v is. trinque brings a solid related point : infrastructure. just like tooling.

Framedragger: i guess could be done manually for small (< $dumbars_n) webs of trust. with billing templates / gpg contracts, etc.

Framedragger: but i hear ya; i don't know.

mircea_popescu: there was an episode but i think from before your time when i even tried to support blender. it blew up spectacularily.

mircea_popescu: doing this as such is slated, for a little later. but since i was on fiverr anyway from the article, well...

Framedragger: i don't want to argue regarding the general structural hopelessness of the web because you will win that argument / i agree with you :)

Framedragger: if it was mostly entomological though, then not relevant i guess.

Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i don't know just how interested you are to find inexpensive modellers etc, but just fyi peopleperhour.com may produce...better results. (but yeah, not for five bux.)

mircea_popescu: in between the deluge of spam and the enforced, deliberately, impossiblity of memory, you get... well you get "hi i can regge" basically.

mircea_popescu: they delete your message box, aggressively. like - less than weekly. INCLUDING "starred" messages, because hey, UX, user-friendly etc does NOT include the needs of non-mentally-amoeba, or their expectations. you're more than welcome to take your interface expectation of "system will not delete what i starred" and shove it - the expectations that matter are "uuuu shinyyyy"

mircea_popescu: trinque i put up a fiverr offer detailing modelling work for eulora. i got a bunch of responses, including "Hi I can regge". and such.

a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 15:25 mircea_popescu: i would rather have an world bereft of any life on it ; than have more of the current crap.

mircea_popescu: oh i see :D

asciilifeform: 'this pistol is dangerous, what if i accidentally put barrel in my own mouth instead of point at enemy'

mircea_popescu: but the most informative part of this is - nobody seems to seriously dispute the obvious problem that "the btc address is 30 symbols long - what if i get one wrong ?!" ; yet even with that much accepted of the fundamental principle of republican money, ie, injective payment function - the obvious extension to sum is ... not so obvious. "oh what if i get one of 8 digits wrong ?" "i dunno dude... same as if you got 4 symbols wr

asciilifeform: i did not think that the down-side of using a mtgox still needed explanation

mircea_popescu: for as long as it doesn't take itself seriously i dun see the problem with it.

jurov: so, i'm asking, what do i do? close coinbr, wipe the evil accounts and we'll celebrate this inimitable tmsr victory?

jurov: i even saw loyalty mentioned

mircea_popescu: and the strangest part being, that he expects we'll be upset with him for it. as if you know, they're there because i was bored one evening and came up with some arbitrary dumb shit.

jurov: yes, i know. and you will eventually have.

mircea_popescu: i would rather have an world bereft of any life on it ; than have more of the current crap. ☟︎

asciilifeform: jurov: which 'you' pays the fee? say i tell you 'i sent coin by mistake , i want it back'. how do you know i tell truth? and which coin ?

jurov: of course unidirectional. you want to withdraw back, you pay the fee. i still don't see what's your problem

asciilifeform: *i to understand

mircea_popescu: yes, i am saying that by keeping accounts you are empowering usg.

jurov: you are saying that by keeping accounts i empower usg or something?

asciilifeform: if someone pays me by dropping gold coins from airplane into my back yard, am i expected to give exact change? with what, cannon?

jurov: well, i'd be glad to get rid of account, if you solved the problem, i'm all ears!

asciilifeform: 'i use some heathen dope's central server' did.

asciilifeform: but even supposing i lived whole life without ever again eating a btc -- does nit change the fact that 'electrum' is essentially a webwallet

asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-18#1569584 << funnily enough, at this very moment i'm writing a proggy... ☝︎

mircea_popescu: Framedragger lulzy. i expect more than half the gear sold to lusers is being currently used by republican interest, so there is that.

mircea_popescu: this is no good, what can i tell you. you're more than welcome to use it as your own software, but it's braindamage and it ain't convincing me.

mircea_popescu: jurov the problem is one of optics. you have not "seen paying" anyone for .achristianfamily either, but you credit the empire and discredit the republic for reasons we're invited to not misrepresent as misplaced loyalties, i guess. similarly with electrum - yes, for as long as you stick to the credit empire discredit republic mindset, it "enables" you. ☟︎

jurov: and i'd congratulate to 1500 btc mpex seats, as long as someone is actually seen paying :)

mircea_popescu: read more like "i'm not smart enough for this one, try next door" to me :) ☟︎

trinque: o I got called out to write up runit did I?

mircea_popescu: ah. they go the other way, fiat corp. i forgot.

jurov: i just threw my hands in disgust and use electrum. negrate as you wish. ☟︎

jurov: orly. i haven't seen ben_vulpes actually process something since VAN :)

mircea_popescu: so i guess it's a wash.

mircea_popescu: i did not, i'm just being petulant.

asciilifeform: i thought 'low maintenance' ~= 'bin laden'

asciilifeform: i meant the face of the d00d (?)

asciilifeform: hah i suppose we'll be seeing 1-2 of'em every day nao

mircea_popescu: yes yes i was talking more in general.

shinohai: I know, but recently it seems a whole new level of bizarre coming out of there.

mircea_popescu: i mean obviously sunlight and thunderstorms did it, but nevertheless.

asciilifeform: but i have nfi what to make of it.

asciilifeform: footnote no.2 is in fact the unicorn i was looking for

shinohai: I feel like I've turned into the tmsr/eulora PR guy in some respects

ben_vulpes: i've never seen anyone get under mircea_popescu's skin like that guy did

mats: i remember seeing a pic of a canadian with moobs

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2013-07-04#123309 << fuck i got them wrong ☝︎

mats: i dunno who you're talking about, must not have been interesting

mircea_popescu: i dunno who that is. oh, no, nefario was this iirc brit dude living in poverty.

mircea_popescu: naphex was this guy who tried to get a camwhore thing going but i think it ate him

mircea_popescu: i've kinda ditched the whole thing once they did that butt-teary "oh, failure of pc means we should do more better pc".

mircea_popescu: before i was famous the stock explanation was that "you don't know which girl was his girlfriend - but he does!".

BingoBoingo: 5 min I can take, shinohai pls to hear this alarm to SEO pls, k thx