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ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-28 01:17:51 mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell billymg hey, you still alive ?
billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-28#1958554 << hiya mp, yup still alive. i've just been finishing up the last few pieces of the move and if all goes well should be in cr in about a week
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/our-democracy-or-rather-mostly-theirs/ << Trilema -- Our democracy, or rather mostly theirs.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-28 01:24:04 mp_en_viaje: talking about later tell, it seems the only practical usage actually is to annoy people : either they do read the log, in which case it's spurious, or else they don't read the log, in which case it doesn't do anything useful.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-28#1958559 - I have no use for it either and precisely for this reason that it's enough if it's in the logs as far as I see it.
mp_en_viaje: needs its breaks, the poor darling/
mp_en_viaje: motherfucker this piece of shit, internet that works like schoolchildren brains, fifty minutes out of the hour.
mp_en_viaje: but the point remains, that functionality, "you have to pay 1.76 million ~~~because this and that and so and so~~~" is the only sane way to go about things.
mp_en_viaje: i can't be arsed to drag out where in the log this point was made for ignoramus asciilifeform 's benefit, HEY, JUSTIFY PRICES LIKE CIVILISED PEOPLE,
mp_en_viaje: it seems to me it does provide a significant service for that particular use, because it permits players to show each other the bills of trade correctly.
mp_en_viaje: whereas the calc function seems was only ever extensively used in #eulora, for inter-player trade.
mp_en_viaje: ully detached from it -- so if the person doesn't read that day's log, they miss out on that day's log, necessarily including the point in question.
mp_en_viaje: i guess as a concept it harkens back from an olden time, when people were comparatively more superficially equipped and more superficially involved ; today the proper avenue for making a timeline-breaching note on some topic is a comment the person's blog (and if they don't have one that'd cotextually-support the concern then "person" who ?) ; whereas non-timeline-breaching points obviously belong in their day's log context, as they can't be meaningf
mp_en_viaje: i also tried out a subsidiary "send notes to self on main nick" putative utility a while back, didn't actually pan out irl.
mp_en_viaje: talking about later tell, it seems the only practical usage actually is to annoy people : either they do read the log, in which case it's spurious, or else they don't read the log, in which case it doesn't do anything useful.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-16 13:47:23 lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958115 << the toilet vps lobbesbot is on is down again. Will see what they say. (honestly atm lobbesbot has ~only two used commands: !Qlater-tell and !Qcalc ; instead of finding a new home for lobbesbot I'd rather just make another bot do those and retire the thing. But I've got other botworks in the queue)
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-16#1958123 << pretty much said as much. honestly, from practice it seems the functionality is not really all that useful.
mp_en_viaje: lobbes, oh, the bot died. is it the case it should simply be retired, this thing ?
mp_en_viaje: !Qlater tell billymg hey, you still alive ?
mp_en_viaje: !Q later tell billymg hey, you still alive ?
mp_en_viaje: ourdemocracy.tar.gz 14% 11MB 107.2KB/s 09:44 ETA << hhurray for technologically advanced germany, gloriously confronting the challenges of 1990
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/trace-mayer-pumps-dorkcoin-at-conference/ << Qntra -- Trace Mayer Pumps DorkCoin At Conference
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the news is at most in what it found to suck, lolz.
mp_en_viaje: yes, indeed. asciilifeform has a whole lot of those. can sure take more -- the overwhelming abundance to date hasn't bothered anything, so definitely could double, triple, infinite-etc.
mod6: Anyway, I haven't even eaten today. So I'm gonna head out.
mp_en_viaje: you wanna be useful, be useful in the way of being useful, not in the way of you wanna.
mod6: I'll just, withold the patch. Make a blog post. If people want it, I guess they can say.
mp_en_viaje: i met plenty of would-be producers. what's the actual market for it /
mp_en_viaje: who are these "folks" consuming this nonsense ? i've never met one. did you ?
mp_en_viaje: 0 chances ima deploy some patch you cooked up as things stand right now. also 0 chances ima deploy any patch baked of this "21:02. tried a patch, not worked. 00:12 oh now fixed it. i think" washington post / planeshift "development" model/nonsense.
mod6: I'll make a proper post on my blog, indeed. Just want to get this out for folks; now that there is a wedger tool out there, and it's been a number of days of reorccuring wedges.
mp_en_viaje: or what exactly is the idea, erryone's gonna be so fucking impressed with the whole "oh, you know what, ye olde bitcoin has, among its many race conditions, one where you can dos it by getblock spam" that we'll just move right back on to 2015 ? it ain't ever gonna be 2015 again, make a blog, find a master, do some work AS THEY DIRECT YOU, and so on.
mp_en_viaje: mod6, suppose instead of all this ad-hoc "emergency" pantsuit nonsense you make a proper blog, like normal people, follow the path, like normal people, etcetera.
mod6: Ok all of the logs are in http://www.mod6.net/wedger/
mod6: Going to push up my logs & notes, and then make a vpatch.
mod6: Took some work and chasing some red-herrings in net.h. I drove through the testing and changes while asciilifeform helped think me through the problem.
mod6: Alright, got a fix for this. *whew*
mod6: bvt: et, al. Still testing/debugging. Tried an experimental vpatch, didn't work. Going to make some changes and continue on. Here's the latest logs for the curious: http://www.mod6.net/wedger/mod6_wedger_test2.log http://www.mod6.net/wedger/trb_debug_wedgerpy_test2.log
mod6: bvt: et, al. Was able to use alf's wedger tool to replicate the problem. It took exactly 1 try. Here's my notes and debug.log (renamed) from the test: http://www.mod6.net/wedger/mod6_wedger_test1.log http://www.mod6.net/wedger/trb_debug_wedgerpy_test1.log
mod6: If others have this same type of behavior, please write in and say, show us the debug.log if you can. Thanks.
mod6: Here's that quick deebot snippit I posted on Friday night (iirc): http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=Oj7N
mod6: http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L11361 (I'm sure you've already looked at this tho. But for folks following along...)
mod6: Apparently main.cpp:ProcessMessage() allows for quite a number of these getdata commands before flagged as 'Misbehaving'. But I've not seen waves like this before now. Quite possible I've just not seen them either tho.
mod6: Happy to provide the 12G log if you want that, or a shorter one that shows on 22nd or 23rd my node starting, then getting wedged after wave.
mod6: When alf alerted about this wedge on the 22nd, I was quick to point out this wave of stuff that I don't typicaly see.
mod6: I have a debug.log that is ~12G that goes back ~3 mos to block #605198, i do see those requests, but in the dozens at a time at most. but not a tidal wave of tens of thousands.
bvt: anyone debug.log snapshots of wedge: did the period before wedge involve a large number of continous block requests?
bvt: well, the only thing i feel bad about in this situation is that for some time i was getting wedged in ~30 min, did not check the logs, assumed the DB corruption, rolled back to month-old chain snapshot without keeping the current
mp_en_viaje: i guess in some quarters this counts for "intrinsic stability" or something, but...
mp_en_viaje: bvt, don't feel too bad, this is a massive problem owing to the insanity of the gearbox involved. the vast majority of historically observed wedges were never reproduced
bvt: http://bvt-trace.net/2020/02/a-tiny-and-incomplete-trb-wedgetrace/#comment-139 - did some more debugging today, but cannot get a wedge when i do need it
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/man-arrested-after-failing-to-destroy-motor-vehicle-in-pentagon-parking-lot/ << Qntra -- Man Arrested After Failing To Destroy Motor Vehicle In Pentagon Parking Lot
feedbot: http://blog.mod6.net/2020/02/multiple-vpatches-tested-and-signed/ << mod6's Blog -- Multiple Vpatches Tested And Signed
BingoBoingo: bvt: Go for it, but do edit your .htaccess rules to require the retrieving referrer to be set to your blog's url. Probably best not to keep it up forever.
bvt: BingoBoingo: ok if i upload the data to anyserver? it's 3Gb compressed.
mod6: Yeah, I would, that'd be great.
bvt: mod6 or anyone else interested in this wedged bitcoind condition: do you want to get the coredump and the binary?
mod6: I'll throw something in here if it's relevant.
mod6: Thanks for your work on this, I'm following along in #asciilifeform log.
bvt: mod6: ty, i will try to figure out what is going on further
mod6: Thanks for the article & trace bvt.
feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2020/02/a-tiny-and-incomplete-trb-wedgetrace/ << bvt's backtrace -- A tiny and incomplete TRB wedgetrace
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-24 00:47:20 mp_en_viaje: anyways, why struggle with your "a sense of worthlessness" ? embrace it. you ARE fucking worthless, what of it. of course you are, there you sit an alleged adult, scraping corrosion off the free part of battery terminals, as if this purely aesthetic approach to technology will do something ; and then calling the exact thing applied elsewhere "research" for purely psychotic reasons, and so on in this vein all aroun
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-24 00:32:40 mp_en_viaje: so no, you didn't do any research. you used your tv to read webistes, they used their tv to watch soccer games. both are the exact same activity -- leisurable passtimes. gringo pomous nonsense where you think they're niggers and you also think you're god's chosen and therefore their masturbation is jacking off while your masturbation is "research" is a (rather offensive, at that) religious belief of very little th
whaack: which way for 20 weeks straight has made my worthlessness clear. The "struggle with 'sense' of worthlessness" is really a "struggle with 'acceptance' of worthlessness".
whaack: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-24#1958477 Alright, I am the one who is more niggardly. I could be wrong about connecting to the chasis for all I know. The car owner's method of deciding how to wire the jump based off experienced is better than mine which is based off of google vomit. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-24#1958481 I embrace it. Writing about failing every
hanbot_abroad: mp_en_viaje hrm, seems self-evident but apparently not a coupla years ago? i'll have another look, atm tho' on the brink of disconnectivity. in curand & scl!
mp_en_viaje: speaking of which hey hanbot_abroad it's femInin not femenin. i can see why you'd make the mistake, but they're right, it's femina not femena ; and besides famen's a word.
mp_en_viaje: o wait wait, it's "i don't have to actually do, because [http://thewhet.net/2017/01/feminine-exceptionalism/?b=The%20follow&e=The%20following%20is%20a[n%20attempt%20at]%20translation%20of%20the%20Trilema%20piece%20Exceptionalismul%20feme#select][i am worth]", i recall beating speshul cuntlets black and blue over the same delusionary approach, yes, yes, certainly.
mp_en_viaje: wtf, who got this cockroach implanted in ye heads anyways ?!
mp_en_viaje vaguely recalls how "shocking" this self-obvious statement of fact "appeared" (to interested parties) last time, too.
mp_en_viaje: you're worthless, forget about it. and now that you know, what can you actually do ?
mp_en_viaje: how did you end up with this batshit insane not to mention riotously ridiculous notion you're worth two shits, anyways ?! don't fucking tell me research, hein!
mp_en_viaje: hat you do in your "inner struggles" as well, dick about with the visible corrosion around the clamps.
mp_en_viaje: anyways, why struggle with your "a sense of worthlessness" ? embrace it. you ARE fucking worthless, what of it. of course you are, there you sit an alleged adult, scraping corrosion off the free part of battery terminals, as if this purely aesthetic approach to technology will do something ; and then calling the exact thing applied elsewhere "research" for purely psychotic reasons, and so on in this vein all around, it's w
mp_en_viaje: as to the practical matters, the only use of coca cola is as corrosion stripper, especially off metal ; baking soda i guess works, but honestly i never used any rust stripper besides the great products of the coca cola co in decades, there's no need to.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-19 21:23:42 mircea_popescu: "literate" veals, very capable of scribbling their own name in an alphabet of their choice (somehow nobody notices "using an alphabet of your own choice" is THE OPPOSITE OF SPELLING, and the exact definition of illiteracy -- all the fucking farmhands who can't read or write COULD scribble something down, anyone can screech random squgg;lies, with a shovel in a pile of dirt, with their own piss on driven snow, f
mp_en_viaje: value (its practical value as "protestantism" ie, "we don't need to learn proper latin, let the scripture be translated in vernacular" notwithstanding)
mp_en_viaje: so no, you didn't do any research. you used your tv to read webistes, they used their tv to watch soccer games. both are the exact same activity -- leisurable passtimes. gringo pomous nonsense where you think they're niggers and you also think you're god's chosen and therefore their masturbation is jacking off while your masturbation is "research" is a (rather offensive, at that) religious belief of very little theological
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2020-02-23 whaack: BingoBoingo: From jumping with someone who owns 8+ cars and jumper cables but did not know you could connect the cable to the chasis on the dead car, I gather that people here do not research how to do things and instead learn only from experience. This could be true also with the mechanic, so I will consult with the mechanic and use his tools but I will take his advice with a grain of salt and
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile #ossasepia is turned the lulz of all time. http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-02-23#1019288 << dude. going through some spam html google was gamed into vomiting back at you is NOT research.
mp_en_viaje: whaack, you know, none of my cars yet broke down. stop buying fucking lemons -- all these "recent" makes, all the toyotas and whatnots are NOT WORTH MONEY. spend 5k on a pre-2010 mercedes before you spend 50k on a yesterday's shoe.
mp_en_viaje: hanbot_abroad, they meanwhile grabbed on "democracy" to describe the ~same sterile intellectual fashion.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2020/02/austria-ends-passenger-rail-service-to-and-from-italy-as-novel-coronavirus-panic-continues-to-spread/ << Qntra -- Austria Ends Passenger Rail Service To And From Italy As Novel Coronavirus Panic Continues To Spread
ossabot: Logged on 2020-02-23 03:22:44 mp_en_viaje: yet the lulz of "young america" / lyceum & chautuqua movement is evidently related to that earlier euro attempt at cliffnote-everything. "how to be just like yurp on the cheap", ever the dream of the colonies.
hanbot_abroad: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2020-02-23#1958451 << i don't know of many US-driven notions as major in their time or as utterly forgotten by now as this chautauqua thing --at least nominally; ultralame "community"-ing still pushed as a thing by descendants of the same lamers, but the name's entirely absent.
lobbes: This script was on a cron job initially, but ever since douchebag pooped in the input I moved to manual. The whole archive process is due for a recode; but I deemed it low priority since.. well I read the logs and the logs are the only input so I reason this manual stop-gap approach is fine for now
lobbes: I hadn't pulled the crank it some time but just did now; it'll attempt snarf all links the bot has seen since dec 24th (probably will take about 2 hours to run I'd say)
lobbes: mp_en_viaje: my bad on the archive. The "submit links to archive.is and download" portion of the process is initialized manually (I just run a shell script and it does the rest).
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, probably after you attend to the actually pressing breaches in own head
BingoBoingo: I've got a little bit on Emerson. This next generation was roughly the first to get charged with implementing the idiocy.
mp_en_viaje: and of course the young obama of the period, a lanky printer's apprentice.
mp_en_viaje: these are rather the next generation though, this is more an emerson & thoreau.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: This is a project I could start warming up again and structuring as I work on building my toolset and working towards some sort of actual rather than UStarded level of literacy. If I break these particular mid-19th century retards up into bite sized chunks and publish indictments/annotations on the blog in a structured way, I would be filling a gap in documenting how intentional the failure of US "education" was.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Beyond the old, I've got some scribblings on William Torrwy Harris, Anna Bracket, the failure of "St. Louis Normal School/Harris-Stowe State College" that aren't very organized at present. Harris and Bracket have some essays on the intentionally severing children's connections to the real world to better shape them into
mp_en_viaje: ircus, which was then recolonized by vaudeville)
mp_en_viaje: (all this sprung up at the time out of a sort of "positive socialism", whereby some strand of the pulpit lobby came up with the idea of constructing some kind or manner of alternatives to hanging out in bars, as part and parcel of their dogged dedication to destroying their opposition as they perceived it. the end product was a sort of pompous and boring c
mp_en_viaje: yet the lulz of "young america" / lyceum & chautuqua movement is evidently related to that earlier euro attempt at cliffnote-everything. "how to be just like yurp on the cheap", ever the dream of the colonies.
mp_en_viaje: i recall some passing mention here and there, maybe
mp_en_viaje: say BingoBoingo, did your discussion of the "young^H^H^H socialist hegelians" an' the broad programme of teh mid 1800s geared towards the systematic falsification of history to better support the socialist mindset ever arrive at any structured anything ?