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mircea_popescu: i dunno, output a list of 10k items ?
mircea_popescu: which should prolly be a decent grant topic for the curious.
asciilifeform: planet3, iirc, gets a particle with energy of well-thrown brick every day or so.
asciilifeform: (if you're something like a, e.g., deinococcus radiodurans , assume it takes >1 bullet. some finite number.)
asciilifeform: folx putter around with crackpotteries like proton decay, but imho this is a more interesting number
asciilifeform: a kind of mean-time-to-collision-with-energetic-particle-that-smashes-you
asciilifeform: everybody is fond of 'space spores' but so far 0 clues re a 2nd place where they might work.
trinque: who said those molecules give a shit about you
trinque: might be entirely natural to fart around on a planet for a while then get knocked by some rock onto the next one
mircea_popescu: except things like dog vomit, or the previously discussed black alcohol modl. they've been here fopr a long long time now.
mircea_popescu: "anthill optimizes for anthood" is a very true if not particularly useful statement. and the type of "anthood" variable could be... "anthillyness".
mircea_popescu: anyway - the reason the yaching ant is such a good example is because - it COULD just fucking cut off the god damned sail. couldn't it ? just drag the seed without the air drag ?
asciilifeform: anthill, if said to optimize for something (and this is at least mildly sinful, somewhat like describing the operation of a submarine as 'swimming') optimizes for energy/food ROI.
mircea_popescu: you know, data type. that i can put in an ada-like manual and write a compiler for.
mircea_popescu: pretend you're a programmer, and use yours.
asciilifeform: lethal to all bees but a species somewhere in jp, that knows the pill against the wasp (surround it, and kill with own head)
asciilifeform: anyone recall those wasps ? the ones that can eat a beehive in 15 min. or so
asciilifeform: i couldn't begin to hazard a guess. but - who knows - perhaps ~had~, but somehow not ant-compatible.
mircea_popescu: you'd think they had wind back in 50`000`000 bc back when ants were a hot new gizmo.
mircea_popescu: the sail blows in the wind, topples it, the animal will happily spend half an hour spinning in a dime's area.
mircea_popescu: this country has a lot of foraging ant species. i enjoy watching them. on numerous occasions i have observed individual ant dragging acer type seed.
mircea_popescu: dropping the abstract for a concrete anecdote here :
phf: i think that's one of standard thinker childhood experiences, making a closed loop in the ant pheromone trail
mircea_popescu: it works as a retrospective, "looking at this anthill, it becomes evident it mostly managed to feed itself historically". yes. so... what.
mircea_popescu: (this is my stock question to cut the new age-y idiots at the knees. "oh ant colony optimizes" "what ?". sooner or later they realise they can't actually SAY what the fuck it is, because it's not a scalar ; nor a vector nor a bitfield. yes they optimize something, now put it in a hard typed language. what is it ?)
mircea_popescu: "i've never seen anything remotely as annoying as prolog, with the notable exception of makefiles, running on top of a wonderful inference engine of their own" << ahaha!
a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 22:21 trinque: it's entirely possible - and I think likely - that what counts for human intelligence does not run in a single human head
trinque: it's entirely possible - and I think likely - that what counts for human intelligence does not run in a single human head ☟︎
asciilifeform: the 1 piece you can 'take to the bank' is that it is idiocy to consider solutions to a problem that is not even actually defined.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the approaches "ever tried" have been "ever tried" in a short period of history which is chiefly distinguished by the incredible quality that NONE of the approaches tried, in ANY fields, worked to any degree or produced anything of interest.
mircea_popescu: see the "your brain is not a thinking mechanism" discussions.
asciilifeform: we already know 1 method for producing it. just not yet - afaik - a 2nd.
asciilifeform: ( likewise the workings of, e.g., a FET, are quite different from what digital engineer learns in school, and ~nobody designs ~anything using the actual equations as understood by maxwell et al )
asciilifeform: that's not the issue; airplane worked just fine but was not adequately explained in physical terms until '50s (and if you are a stickler for rigour, even today)
asciilifeform: hell, we don't even have a working ornithopter, and the problem is, what, 800+ yrs old as posed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the brain is a shambling horror of cells.
mircea_popescu: i can grant that ai is a psychiatric issue of plenty of computer programmers ; i can even grant that it is perhaps best to pretend like ai is "impossible" in the sense he means to perhaps cure the idiots.
asciilifeform: there are 2 types of ai skeptic, the 'vitalists' ('immortal soul') and the 'shambling horror of computer', 'we don't even know how to make a spreadshit that dun crash' folk.
asciilifeform: 'The error is that control interfaces must not be intelligent. Briefly, intelligent user interfaces should be limited to applications in which the user does not expect to control the behavior of the product. If the product is used as a tool, its interface should be as unintelligent as possible. Stupid is predictable; predictable is learnable; learnable is usable.'
mircea_popescu: as the idea is to make ai not a"i". THAT we already have.
mircea_popescu: yes but if he is seriously contemplating a distinction along those lines his whole piece just exploded into unrelatable islands.
mircea_popescu: "If the thing is even remotely close to "intelligent", you can no longer issue commands; you must explain yourself and ask for something and then it will misunderstand you." << he's wrong, incidentally. intelligent and obedient are not in any way orthogonal, a matter i have verified experimentally to my satisfaction.
phf: "The Disrupt Hackathon is a 24 Hour event preceding the annual Disrupt London conference organized by TechCrunch."
phf: dc punk scene reminds me of this story i read at some point by an отморозок trying to run some hustle in london. at some point he says he saw some suspiciously clean looking skinheads, so was about to go "how are you brothers" until he saw that the two were holding hands. after that he goes on a long rant about how london skinheads are all fags, etc.
phf: oh yeah, of course i remember it as "everyone was children", but there was a cutoff point. "younger brother" sort of thing
mircea_popescu: enforced through the dual a) must be able to handle being punched b) must have tits approach.
phf: mircea_popescu: well, define children? an pissed tike in a dirty косуха could be of any age for all anybody cares. but certainly not in a sense of "child-friendly outing"
BingoBoingo: "In the venue’s all-ages policy, a time-honored practice of radical inclusion in the D.C. punk scene, they see a cover for pedophilia."
asciilifeform: i.e. orcs who don't particularly care how densely packed ? and in b.a. they do..?
mircea_popescu: you realise it's about five times the size of new york ? it's a village.
mircea_popescu: really, the notion that buenos aires is a CITY is ridiculous on its face.
mircea_popescu: so if poorfag gets a dollar, he's much more likely to apply that dollar towards going further away from the high density rats nest than towards getting the very high density rats nest closer to habitable standard.
shinohai: It waz cazalla ... in the outback ... with a lead pipe.
mircea_popescu: almost exactly a year ago
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is very lulzy because a VERY similar fire in bucharest resulted in a govt shuffle.
mircea_popescu: that looks a lot like a crate full of electronic parts.
mircea_popescu: poor BingoBoingo is oppressed by a manifest news drought.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-24 16:26 mircea_popescu: "Avoid easy selections, such as qwerty or password. If you want to pick an easy-to-remember but somewhat unique password, consider a variation of a word, such as a1rPl4nE for airplane."
mircea_popescu: game accounts from what i currently known are compromised through 1) "dude used password as a password", perhaps with debian-strengtheners as per http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-24#1558621 and 2) drive-by flash / activex / webshit exploit. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: yes one could dissect it to find the cappers and fuck your pw, but this is a lot less easy than most anythingelse.
mircea_popescu: a better yubikei or such, if you prefer.
mircea_popescu: that a keylogger won't find it.
phf: "can't login" is literally one symbol. obviously i've seen that on compromised machines, somewhere in that large column of of id:*:... there would be a random system account with :: go look
mircea_popescu: "set this if you want only this machine to be able to run your account", long time a holy grail of high-value game accounts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally i intend to use this in eulora - have the privkey file encrypted, and have both a client-wide settable prefix and a password
asciilifeform: it is not per se a dumb idea.
asciilifeform: idea isn't 'needs a salt' but that having a machine-local salt makes brute force exponentially more expensive regardless of what hash algo was used.
mircea_popescu: (salt, it should be pointed out, is nonsense leftover from the "md5 is broken and that's ok" days. if your hash needs a salt you need a new hash.)
mircea_popescu: i think it's just a pw hash.
asciilifeform: wtf is even the point of a salt if it is kept in the same place as the hash
mircea_popescu: yeah not a very good scheme. anyway, convention is pw field uses $ver$pw, and i see ubuntu sets it to 6.
mircea_popescu: phf ubuntu has a bunch of "rtkit:*:15016:0:99999:7:::"
phf: it's a glibc2 variant, i wonder what openbsd does..
phf: actually i'm wrong it's not even md5, it's a version of DES
asciilifeform: makes a fine party game, key in a pw and see if it corresponds to any of 100,000,001 hashed lusers
phf: well shadow for a longest time was md5 hashed (on linuxes anyway), so there was a nice window where you could with some craftiness extract passwords out of it
asciilifeform: in his case, it's a bunch of wtf
mircea_popescu: dude wtf, isn't all www run off a "public_html" or similar homedir ?
Framedragger: A for effort?
shinohai: I didn't have a prior copy of thestringpuller 's key in that instance.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger understand, it makes 0 difference that you "exist" in the sense of, have a tight relationship with your gf. existence is solipsistic, you exist to X once X bothers to get your key.
asciilifeform: ftr it was a spot check, i had existing copy of BingoBoingo's key
mircea_popescu: 1st seems more like spot check and 2nd i'm not sure the two did have a prior relationship
phf: i think key reliance here is very much ~wot~ very similar to how otc used to operate. i.e. if there's no identity outside of key, then key-identity-trust are all tied together. nobody sends anybody sensitive command/control/comm without knowing them first. i had a version of asciilifeform's key for years, and my knowledge of asciilifeform was build on multiple verifications of asciikey-asciilifeform-rating entity
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it is quite impossible to meaningfully cryptographicate with a stranger
asciilifeform: point is that you don't always get a gossptronic takeback.
mircea_popescu: maybe what you see is just a decoy. etc etc.
mircea_popescu: maybe i have a really important message and i send it 2nd, what.
mircea_popescu: see, allowing a well tailored pyramid of risk eating is not bad. it's good.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger what happens when you go to a bar and order a drink is that the bartender pours you a drink.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: but what oftentimes ends up happening when you request key from deedbot is that the requester then promptly uses that key to encrypt $text, and ping recipient with a public url to $text. the fact that there's been no mitm, i think, only shows that the lizards do not find this place important enough (for better or worse, etc)
trinque: as far as the lying wire is concerned, that's solved by a different gadget ☟︎
mircea_popescu: "promisetronic" in the sense of "not rippletronic/ethereumtronic/etc" is a good thing.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger "using the wot to validate a public key".
a111: Logged on 2016-12-06 14:23 mircea_popescu: "I never ever ever successfully used the WoT to validate a public key." ie what we do here multiple times a day ?
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-06#1578290 << for completeness sake, i'm not sure if what is done here multiple times a day is the thing he meant, i.e.: key verification :/ ☝︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: he had a point, only 1 bit is really machine-usable
diana_coman: fwiw I kept trying to digest asciilifeform's proposed categories, but I must confess I would still have trouble deciding on one or another; basically my clear categories would really be binary: I'm USING this or I WILL NOT USE this; the rest I would rather expect to be sorted by competence meaning that one who wants to write a patch for eulora would better get a "I'm using this" from someone involved with eulora, not from his t
phf: i know a guy who lives in a shipping container (actually mutliple shipping containers welded together) in that area, but he built it himself, he works with steel and propane and is generally a competent person (he lives on his shop grounds). when i read the story i though maybe a warehouse rave caught on fire, but apparently the idiots were living there? it'll just make the authorities take a closer look at oakland warehouses and fuck
mircea_popescu: i r writing a reply fwiw.