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ben_vulpes: Framedragger:
i am also curious to know what kind of requirements you have for a vps that your current loggotron doesn't serve.
☟︎ Framedragger: ben_vulpes:
i'll think about this next week. it may be that it's not really needed, yeah -
i agree. and integration of things such as ssh server banners with phuctor keys is something that asciilifeform said he'd be up to do on phuctor's db itself..
ben_vulpes: replication works on the wal, not on the committed db, and so
i don't think it would have the load impact you do.
ben_vulpes:
i too would like more detail in re 'shall provide a platform for those interested in analysing RSA keys'
Framedragger:
i mentioned js in relation to WoT as it's more applicable there (lots of ready-made libraries for discrete graph visualizations and so on)
Framedragger: asciilifeform: well, less so visualizations than easy ways to query and analyse data. but,
i agree with mircea_popescu and yourself that concrete merits are to be discussed. maybe it's not needed.
Framedragger: and yeah,
i guess one should go with svgs, mike_c used <path> and it was fine
trinque: alright
I'll take that and you can focus on phuctor viz
mats:
i imagine this'd have a lot of applications in, ie, mosul, raqqa, and more modern battlefields of the future
a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 16:52 Framedragger: asciilifeform: at least with public-static and phuctor boxes being separate, you'd have access to the latter if it were private. (but
i guess you could object with "private/undisclosed box on the internet, what is this oxymoron!")
mats:
i wonder what a limited remote steering package on a toyota camry is worth
Framedragger: ben_vulpes: oh hmm,
i've never used it, very interesting and thanks for the pointer
ben_vulpes: phf: may be able to chime in on how much load that'd add to the db process but
i don't think much
Framedragger: re. visualization,
i like stuff like this (mouse over on labels around the circle), but it's a hella lot of JS, and
i share the hate towards the latter:
http://bl.ocks.org/mbostock/7607999 - what's nice about btcalpha visualization is that it uses by-now standard html5 canvas directives (<path>) with no need for JS.
☟︎ Framedragger: asciilifeform: at least with public-static and phuctor boxes being separate, you'd have access to the latter if it were private. (but
i guess you could object with "private/undisclosed box on the internet, what is this oxymoron!")
☟︎☟︎ Framedragger:
i suppose the idea could be to re-implement that, but using deedbot's view of WoT, and add additional things as desired.
☟︎ mod6: So
I wanted to avoid that. But going forward,
I think that'll just some sort of optional field or whatnot.
I'm excited to put some work into that as soon as
I can here.
mod6: Framedragger: aha. yeah, in my experience with ticketing systems ala scrum, it's my observation that if a ticket is "assigned or owned by Jeff,
I don't even think twice about it."
mats: asciilifeform: first
i've heard of it
Framedragger: mod6: sure! maybe "assignee" would have the desired (lesser) connotation,
i don't know. coming from some trac feature/bug tracking in distributed teams experience, 'owner' is there interpreted as simply 'person who is ultimately responsible for implementing/fixing this', with other collaborators invited and acknowledged
mats: pete_dushenski:
i'm mostly interested in semiautonomous hacks
mod6: Framedragger: point taken about 'owner' on tickets.
I considered adding a 'assignee' or 'owner' for a given ticket(s), but with the narrow view of the first project (trb),
i didn't want to discourage people from thinking about solutions for a given problem just because it had my name on it or something.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> Framedragger if you wanna do data visualisations, the thing to do is the wot explorer. that
i actually miss. << me too.
Framedragger:
i hear you, examining them ourselves (in some automated fashion or w/e) would have been prudent. "trust the public to do it", uh :/
Framedragger: asciilifeform: by links break you mean that they are unreachable for extended periods of time? but boxes with cached static content can be armoured against ddos more, no?
i guess unless you maintain that this is indeed syn flood or equivalent, which is agnostic to whether content up the stack is dynamic or sttaic...
Framedragger: 'providing public services' does not necessarily imply 'provide them on the very box which does the important stuff'.. (though
i hear you re. your 'ability to provide caching to live feed' concerns..)
shinohai: Indeed pete_dushenski ... though
I use a combo of both xD
Framedragger: asciilifeform: seems that
i can make it open 80/tcp, but it won't give me any data
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: after laocoon was getting connect/disconnect blackholed about a week ago
i threw down the banhammer as well as manually banning some decently large ip ranges that were acting the fool. now very slowly catching up to full height but down from ~70 connex to ~15.
Framedragger: ($afk item #1 is "coffee grinder is a bit shit and requires force,
i don't want to use force in my mornings.") :)
Framedragger: okay,
i'll sit on it, meanwhile have $afk stuff to do, and
i'll update next week re. what
i'd like to work on, if anything.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger if you wanna do data visualisations, the thing to do is the wot explorer. that
i actually miss.
mircea_popescu: often though
i'm happy with just a bash.
i think like once
i actually wanted sql syntax
Framedragger:
i guess another thing is, it would be nice for #trilema folx to be able to test their own phuctor-related hypotheses without having to download all the data. but, it's not as if it's exabytes of data or anything...
Framedragger:
i mean, tbh
i should give asciilifeform those banners. VPS DB idea can wait.
Framedragger: asciilifeform:
i know -
i hope to have time next Wed to look into this
mircea_popescu:
i dun wanna have to resolve record matching every time
i want to query the joint set.
mircea_popescu: this, as an evolutionary superset of "
i'll just dump a db of banners and you're more than welcome to match yourselves" ?
Framedragger:
i suppose a more simplistic thing to do would be for me to fish out those banners, convert into decent format if needed, and to give to whoever wants :)
Framedragger: again
i screwed up re. phrasing.
i'd import the banners from the data
i have.
mircea_popescu: the part
i don't follow is where isn't this a waste of your time ? you seem to be trying to do something akin to "
i will create a gui atop this command line". ok... how will you guess aforehand what buttons people want to push ?
Framedragger:
i'm unclear what to do with 'live data feed', but
i don't think it's a problem. it could just sync with phuctor at timed intervals.
Framedragger: ah -
i wasn't clear. db would live on this VPS.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: by db
i mean a postgresql populated with phuctor data.
mircea_popescu: for starters, explain it to me. so what do
i do there ?
Framedragger: okay -
i wanted not to over-commit, but this is indeed pretty damn vague. will think and amend.
mircea_popescu: not terrible, has all the needed parts except "which shall provide a platform for those interested in analysing RSA keys and the surrounding metadata collected and provided by Phuctor" could benefit from (such as : by x, and y, and z) as it's currently not even vaguely clear what
i could do on that platform.
mircea_popescu: slippery slope, "and iof the internet runs away
i'll try and run after it, and if it rains
i;ll wear umbrellas and..."
mircea_popescu: not really the place to discuss contingencies
i dun think.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: asking for advice - should
i include a note that should additional hosting resources be needed during the 12 month period, an additional grant (it'd include supporting data of course) may be sought? just to be transparent?
Framedragger: yeah, that
i know. well, it's not needed for now, so, ok
Framedragger: also,
i take it S.BISP is not currently offering services? :)
Framedragger: (also, my initial plan was to ask for a month as
i can't predict with absolute certainty actual resource requirements. but
i think
i have a decent picture of what's needed.)
Framedragger: (if not,
i still want to do it, so will prolly still do it.)
mircea_popescu: how about you apply for a grant to the foundation and
i lean on ben_vulpes / mod6 to approve it ?
Framedragger:
i was wondering, would S.SNA (or whatever entity) be able to pay for a VPS? 9.6 EUR / mo., payment monthly, my VPS accepts bitcoin.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu:
i plan to set up a "phuctor results investigation dashboard". (iirc trinque or someone planned to do sth of the kind, but since this overlaps with the "check distinct banner amounts etc",
i may as well do it properly). nothing fancy so as to keep it actually deliverable, but
i have a plan.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: yeah, ok -
i guess my point was that it'd be very horrible, but
i suppose the chief horror is in the learned-unthinking-ness of masses. the rest is just aftereffects
a111: Logged on 2016-11-19 04:41 mircea_popescu: "no,
i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where
i used to work."
mircea_popescu: no, it simply will be "nobody knows how to turn it on without the talking paperclip, and they can't muster the energy to try and find out". that's it. what, you think argentines fail because they're not connected to the same internet we are ? they're connected,
i'm living proof. but to them, it's all netflix.
Framedragger: (and
i'm scared, and
i should be scared; etc.)
Framedragger: a working computer *may* just not be available in the future,
i do believe that fully. not to go all cliche dystopian, but neural implants based on Secure Microsoft Quantum Encryption(R) and the likes may be what people use to "compute" in the future
mircea_popescu: $1k was nothing in 2012 like it is today ; and would have done nothing more for me then than now. what
i bought for it was pretty stupid, according to the experts of the time, and doomed to failure. a working computer is pretty stupid, according to the experts of 2016, and obviously doomed to "it can't work".
mircea_popescu: and NOW we shall come back to your
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570510 : it's easy to misperceive that whatever, the republic, take it or leave it, in 2016. it's easy to think that hey, maybne
i;ll make myself a computer that works, or maybe
i won't, who cares. in 2016.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: just because
i'm influential doesn't mean
i'm universal. a grass eating quadripede in south america is just as much a herbivore as the common horse, even if they never met.
Framedragger:
i don't knot about the "*only*" viable alternative. you yourself mentioned some time ago that it's perfectly normal for other intelligent peeps to have their own WoT networks (which are not connected to tmsr WoT).
Framedragger: (also, if there was one tv series you may want to watch, it'd be "black mirror".
i watched their "christmas special" ("white christmas") yesterday, and somehow on an emotional level it made me feel easier about not having much hope in the "populace". the smarter the technological tools that the populace gets to play with, the more they fuck themselves and others up.)
Framedragger: strangely
i can't object to this. ("spent too much time here"). yeah, ok.
Framedragger: (
i wonder if there is a retribution/psychological component to this. but maybe not.)
mircea_popescu: no,
i want him to be as upset as he can muster about it ; and then still not actually manage to do anything about it.
mircea_popescu: so no,
i don't want joe q mschmucky to "understand" why if he fucks up his payment we keep the txn. or to accept it, or to think it's a good idea.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: hmm. okay,
i guess
i get that this implies a wholly different approach.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger see, but there's a larger point here.
i dunno if you followed the recent discussion re nirvana, but in any case : it is specificlaly NOT the intent of the republic to become popular.
a111: Logged on 2016-11-18 22:58 mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey,
i paid a grand via paypal for like 60 btc back in 2012. back then bitcoin was still enjoying the benefit of not having been popularized.
mircea_popescu: "no,
i found it in a plastic bag in the alley behind the hotel where
i used to work."
☟︎☟︎ mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hence the whole "
i want time magazine to tell me how the shutdown relates to me" ie, "
i don't want any data (ie, anything about objective reality, outside)
i just want commentary, entirely baseless if possible." << haha
lobbes: heh, that was the second thing
I did after learning how to view a directory in non-winblowz (this is even in logs!). Not hard, but laziness most likely is the problem of Gaboose. For all we know, he is a literal dog with a smartpohne, never to be aware of this conversation