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herbijudlestoids: about ~5 stocks in the 10-50,000 range
mircea_popescu: actually it seems it's not what i thought it was
herbijudlestoids: ok that was the biggest one
mircea_popescu: foot prosthetics or something like that they did
mircea_popescu: poor her, that'd suck as a fate huh.
mircea_popescu: i'ma go spank a girl till you find anything ?
herbijudlestoids: took me a second to make the scan
mircea_popescu: that juicy moment when person suddenly realises the immensity of this shit.
mircea_popescu: benkay they used to be printed on pink paper.
mircea_popescu: you can go all the way to 1950 for all i care.
mircea_popescu: so scour the entire list of known pinks for anything matching it, i'm not picky.
mircea_popescu: (technically 10k btc for a 19 dollar pizza would mean 0.19 cents each, but we'll let that slide)
herbijudlestoids: sorry yea, but the scan "1c to 1k" is wrong
mircea_popescu: mno. <1 cent to 1k usd = 10000000%
mircea_popescu: short term, yes. reality ? also yes.
mircea_popescu: we're talking four friggin years.
mircea_popescu: we're not talking six month's worth of pump and dump here.
jurov: ^ with billions total valuation
mircea_popescu: for curiosity, do this :
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so if i do a quick stock scan and find all the global penny stocks that outperformed BTC since inception, wouldnt those actually be the best store of value :/
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids well, reality is that which happens, you know ?
deadweasel: i am not valuable to the status quo
herbijudlestoids: so short term relative performance now equals reality? lulz
deadweasel: mircea_popescu, at some point, don't you have to start worrying about physical security.. hired goons of the status quo and whatnot?
mircea_popescu: my wealth stored in btc has been doing better than anyone's any other wealth.
mircea_popescu: that personal feel flies in the face of reality.
mircea_popescu: they can't flawlessly merge ten billion likes into the value of an oil tanker.
herbijudlestoids: i personally feel that BTC makes a good medium of exchange but a poor store of value
herbijudlestoids: no? so why do holders of Bitcoins have any practical incentive to hold them lol
mircea_popescu: it takes over the role of everyting. usd, eur, rmb, sdr, gold, stupid facebook tokens, in-game currencies like isk,
herbijudlestoids: what youre proposing here is essentially BTC takes over the economic role of USD as global reserve asset
mircea_popescu: much like the us has no train infrastructure, and uses trucks for everything. trains would be more effective for trucking, but gasoline engines are more effective overall and so... trains are fucked.
mircea_popescu: and since there's no room for 2nd place, it will just be this.
mircea_popescu: sure, except fundamental issues prevent either from competing with the combustion engine.
herbijudlestoids: "Nevertheless, the pressure is unyielding : people holding Bitcoins have no practical incentive to get rid of them, and people trying to get rid of their increasingly worthless dollars have no recourse. "
mircea_popescu: you're basically saying "the stuff i say about cars also applies to other locomobiles, such as steam powered train engines and horsedrawn carriages"
mircea_popescu: they don't apply to gold in any sense.
herbijudlestoids: some of the properties you apply to BTC apply equally (or more so) to gold and that is an asset that happens to already be on ECB balance sheet ;)
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids for that matter, bitcoin could actually be it.
jurov: now i had some brainfart "that they want to paint him as hitler?"
jurov: and asked nubbins` to paint it
jurov: someone wanted to procure mirceas portrait
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: have you ever heard of the freegold hypothesis?
nubbins`: i may have pasted that one here before
jurov: benkay, what??? are we are talking about the portrait you wanted to procure?
deadweasel: i try not to should on things anymore, I'm always wrong.
mircea_popescu: shouldn't it be the other backwards around ?
mircea_popescu: it's a sad time we live in when the close minded burgeois scares the revolutionary artists. ☟︎
deadweasel: it seems to scare him..
nubbins`: just checked to see if he's in the wot, lel: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=saltyspitoon
nubbins`: sometimes for months at a time
mircea_popescu: anyway, not the first time cluelessnes costs a guy his bread.
nubbins`: i tried!
ozbot: Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: something a winklevii drops on the floor and nobody wants to touch
herbijudlestoids: i take notes of oddly specific numbers
herbijudlestoids: well the highest valuation i had heard so far was 798,000
jurov: then it just has to go there
benkay: this is a room of true believers ;)
jurov: if btc is to be small part of international trade
herbijudlestoids: not sure if youre talking to me, but do oyu really believe BTCUSD valued at 1mio?
mircea_popescu: and from there to 50m is about the same distance.
mircea_popescu: anyway, my point was more that the trades streamed when it was half a bitcoin worth 50 dollars, and it's still streaming when it's 50 bitcoins worth 50k
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids afaik the limit is 1 per second.
herbijudlestoids: lets say the rate of trading goes up to 10 ticks an hour, will you still stream on irc? :D
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: iv counted 46 ticks over 2 days, to compare to say the S&P 500 i would expect 46 ticks every 2 minutes?
ThickAsThieves: "And there’s certainly some interesting things about Bitcoin and other things like it, but there’s also a great deal of complexity. People talk about things like frictionless and things like that, and when you actually dig through it, it’s really not the case. It’s far more complex than that. And we feel very comfortable with the business that we have here."
ozbot: Visa Inc (V) news: Visa's CEO Discusses F1Q 2014 Results - Earnings Call Transcript - Seeking Alpha
nubbins`: not sure which "official" thread is more pathetic, asicminer or cavirtex
ThickAsThieves: the doc links to more docs with elaborations
ThickAsThieves: "If further clarification is needed, FinCEN encourages the submission of a request for an administrative ruling. The procedure for submission of administrative rulings can be found at FinCEN’s Web site"
ThickAsThieves: "The first ruling states that, to the extent a user creates or “mines” a convertible virtual currency solely for a user’s own purposes, the user is not a money transmitter under the BSA"
nubbins`: so what the fuck is mike caldwell?
ThickAsThieves: virtual currency as an investment exclusively for the company’s benefit is not a money
nubbins`: over the years, i've stopped taking "this would be great album art" as a compliment
nubbins`: "at the club, at the beach, or in the amazon. "
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so be a darling say so in the thred.
ThickAsThieves: "do you want to be a baby hitler or full grown?"
mircea_popescu: well he's too clueless to know me, so do you wanna escrow his fee ?
nubbins`: ah, don't know him, but those paintings he's selling look amazing
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you know that guy ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: 4 hours too late, but i'm here now!
jurov: verily, they should build drones and take it inbetween them somewhere in desert
mircea_popescu: anyway, teh diids pushing it should be just about running out of suckerpool. should be lulzy to see it unwind.
mircea_popescu: which just happens to be over 9000
dub: lawl'essness too
mircea_popescu: dude is back in there bumping his shit, not a care in the world etc.
mircea_popescu: dub remarkable how calous, 3rd world teh forum has become.
dub: cant put anything past these shibes
jurov: but #assets-trades could get into trouble cuz flooding
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: if the trading volume of MPex picks up considerably, will you still be streaming orders via assbot?
ozbot: Dilbert comic strip for 01/30/2014 from the official Dilbert comic strips archive.
mircea_popescu: she doesn't even get the benefit of pms
lewicki: tough act to follow...
herbijudlestoids: sounds like old mrs clinton will be the next dem candidate
mircea_popescu: there's tons of other stuff, this one is funny because the guy running it pretty much stole each and every possible way.
pankkake: https://btcinve.com/ https://www.litecoininvest.com/ too
azi`: so much of these sites these days
mircea_popescu: see for instance the sad story of their own selfipo, linked an hour ago. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2014#468657 ☝︎
herbijudlestoids: anyway these are just play charts until more data comes, just to get myself familiar with ingesting it and processing it...