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asciilifeform: ( i.e. how long takes to actually birth that page )

spyked: the fix I'm currently applying is to have feedbot send notifications in short bursts so that it doesn't take over the main program loop

spyked: mircea_popescu, meanwhile I found it wasn't the issue I initially thought! I'ma bring the bot back online shortly

spyked: I think I caught the bug. will fix by the end of the day and bring teh rss bot back up.

spyked: grrrr, this is annoying. ftr, I set the delay knob for feedbot msg delivery to 2 seconds and it still gets disconnected for some reason. I suspect it's something other than fleanode simply disconnecting, so I will ask users who are waiting on pending PMs from feedbot to bear with me for a while.

asciilifeform: 'gain speed' applied strictly to mech hdd, they could be spun out of phase, i.e. cut seek time

asciilifeform: ( i.e. prophylactically pull one erry yr or so and insert fresh replacement )

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930027 << i run (iron) raid w/ ssd, but must point out, i rotate'em

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nao you know why i skipped the ' feed linux random ' stack entirely in '16. ( admittedly didn't get even half as far as bvt before barfed )

mircea_popescu: in any case it is obvious that using it as intended (ie, pretending fg is what the linuxtards call a "hardware random generator") is ~wasting it. i dun wanna initialize the middle 32 bytes out of anything.

lobbes: once this thing is up I'll probably be asking in #a (unless #mod6 still lives?) about doing a 'hot-start' with trb

lobbes: sounds reasonable to me. aite, I'ma tell em' no raid I think

lobbes: in other news, I'm in the process of provisioning a dedi server (for primarily a second trb node). I grabbed one with 2 512GB SSD drives. Now my question is: should I bother with RAID 1? Or will this just be stupid because they will wear at the same rate?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 22:47:29 lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:13:35 mircea_popescu: do you realise every time i do a keyop it's ~half hour of slavegirl time going blind on asciisoup ?

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well, place with moar infrastructure so i can sit as mircea_popescu and not have http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926259 problem

mircea_popescu: i'm starting to suspect the actual market for gangbang porn is really ~diane keaton

BingoBoingo: re: fonix http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929903 I finally discovered that down here "sour cream" is "Queso Crema: Talercrem"

BingoBoingo: And as far as I can tell, USG to USG drones is the only actual satellite internet

asciilifeform: why not also run fiber to the penguins in south p. i suspect they can just as easily pay.

asciilifeform: maybe i'm thick, but what the fuck do angola and cameroon need net connections for ?!

asciilifeform: ( i.e. rather than silently forwarding packets over atm or whatever antediluvian horror )

asciilifeform: last i knew there were 0 direct lines from south a. to europistan, at all.

asciilifeform: i suppose theoretically -- could. but wai.

asciilifeform: hrm mebbe my globe is upside-down, but i can't easily picture how cable can run from riga to south a. direct..

diana_alt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-21#1929962 - yesterday I ran a traceroute on both (nosuchlabs and btcbase) and it was going via stockholm+london for btcbase but not for nosuchlabs (iirc it was riga and then s.america)

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929847 << btw I checked this to be sure, and looks like EDIS moved my 'node' some time ago. No longer in Austria as I thought but instead in Switzerland. Plox to s/Austria/Switzerland on all past timing reports.

lobbes: this makes sense. But in order for this to happen I know I'll first need to be able to reliably identify things that are/are not stupid. Which, I'm getting better at each day, so there is that. Time is the key I guess

trinque: I think more like "continuous discourse about things which are not stupid" and the rest flows from that

lobbes: but it is true that I was also failing *her* by not taking the reigns as I should have. The next girls, however, will be taught properly.

lobbes: this is a point indeed (btw no worries earlier; I was calling myself dumb if anything haha)

trinque: don't even think I was calling you stupid.

lobbes: we were together 8 years, mind. Living together for 7 of those 8, which made me ~23 when we got together. I was even dumber then, and the bad habits were engrained long before I got a clue

lobbes: trinque: very rarely, and honestly I "caved in" way too often

trinque: now I'll turn it your direction. ever told her no before the exchange in your post?

trinque: lobbes: you know, mircea_popescu asked me this when I told a similar tale of misbehaving woman wrecking the home.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 15:01:22 asciilifeform: atm i vaguely suspect that tcp on piz is slowed by an inept wiretap somewhere.

trinque: asciilifeform: not even just here; I wrote some production services elsewhere in sbcl, used cl+ssl as dep, same wedging

asciilifeform: trinque: it is interesting that the ssl thing gets wedged. if i had free hand might even try to find where -- could be a 0day in there, potentially

asciilifeform: lobbes: but even there, i sat an' read e.g. 'programming of hell', got goin' with ada

asciilifeform: trinque: as i currently understand, you prolly cannot use exactly same algo in deedbot as in snsabot -- deedbot occasionally has to speak asynchronously. you'll need locking queue (as i think you already have)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-20 21:17:29 asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929908 << yes, specifically I'm reminded of your tales you told of one salt mine (ascii_butugychag period?) where you could not *think*; this was how it was for me except when *not in the mines*. It is so nice to think again

snsabot: Logged on 2019-01-02 11:38:20 asciilifeform: if one absolutely insists on that feature, prolly Right Thing would be to patch bot so can hang off a znc ( i tried this with own hands, but failed, the existing item is apparently tailored to fleanode-direct connection )

asciilifeform: i was unable to sit pehbot under znc, for this reason

asciilifeform: trinque: atm i can't think of any reason why you couldn't sit it under e.g. znc. (my bot doesn't use any fleanodeisms internally)

trinque: I had forgotten the email registration part actually, so I guess bot pwd mitm somewhat mitigated by that

trinque: sorry about the outage y'all; I'm going to do ^ next

asciilifeform: trinque: i haven't attempted an under-znc variant of yet

asciilifeform: lobbes: i imagine getting rid of dependopotamus must rock, even more than 'expel the cow and the goat' in the chelem tale. suddenly all the surfaces 2x cleaner, the bag o' benjies 'magically' fuller...

mp_en_viaje: i suspect it's actually better than france right now.

lobbes: I took way too long to act of course, but oh well

lobbes: that article, man. It is what set the gears in my head in motion. Read it on a plane flight some years ago and realized I was walking into a trap

lobbes: ah that was the thread I was remembering; the airport one

asciilifeform: compl. w/ 'i want dog but woman won't let' and the like

lobbes: I'm just very thankful I never got married / had kids; the state being involved would have made this even harder to break free from

asciilifeform: lobbes: i got stuck in an airport 1ce with the thieves fella. he lived under the heel of wife, like saharov. entirely broken man.

lobbes: asciilifeform: haha no I've never heard. but would read sauce

snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-30 02:02:16 asciilifeform: i suspect it aint the one he has, fwiw, but rather the one in that jewish tale where rabbi tells man 'bring into your house the cow, goat, sheep, then chase'em out sometimes and rejoice in their absence'

lobbes: then I need to sell that damn house. never doing the 'mortgage' thing again. the logs were right (as always)

lobbes: mp_en_viaje: ooyeah. still need to get her out of my damn house though (I'm in an apartment now)

asciilifeform: i suspect presently that for nearly all installations, the 'limiting reactant' will be pipe bw, rather than cpu, ram, etc

asciilifeform: ( i.e. theoretically might even be faster if one were to sit it down in a sqlite rather than postgres. that is, if there were any actual need to make this thing faster, currently seems that there is not any such need )

lobbes: and by 'didn't get' I mean 'simply didn't attempt'

lobbes: will do. yeah, I didn't get the bot portion running on my local test box, nor did I do port forwarding, but the reader.py and database portions were up and running pretty smoothly

lobbes: meanwhile, I've been looking at some dedicated server options, primarily for a second trb node on a proper ssd, but I will stand up a 'production' copy of asciilifeform's logotron as well

asciilifeform: lobbes: ty. moar or less what i'd expect to see.

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929816 << on heavy page test, I get the following: NC : 0m1.711s, Austria VPS : 0m0.379s, Piz Rkchp : 0m2.054s

asciilifeform: ( jizzus , per legend, could feed a legion with 2 fish, but even he could not , i suspect, feed legion with 1 unmetered 100M pipe... )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i'm skeptical that we're already outta pipe. but if this persists we will have to actually meter folx.

BingoBoingo: I suppose we don't yet have an ada for it

bvt: hi, sorry for delay on the linux rng post, it is in fact ~ready, but i need one more day for proofreading

asciilifeform: # of hops via buggered switches i suspect matters moar than km of fiber

asciilifeform: ftr i get ~1.00s ('heavy page' test) from washingtonistan

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 21:55:06 asciilifeform: i expect at some pt mp will say to anyone in l1 who aint running a logger, 'партбилет на стол!'(tm)(r)

mp_en_viaje: THE. METHOD. the one thing that unites "What do you mean how ?" and the reporting "who cares who it damages" and the engineering "who cares what business models/political arrangements this renders obsolete" is [http://trilema.com/2017/is-it-still-rape-if-i-write

mp_en_viaje: "traditional" (no they aren't) heuristic valuations of activity imported from the practices and intellectual habits of the herd of idiots are NOT USEFUL. how "boring" or "interesting" or "sexy" or whatever things seem, truly the on;ly saviour is the method ; which is why trilema can be interesting whatever i discuss, be it defecation or obscure byzantine minutia, whereas the herd of idiots c

mp_en_viaje: (amusingly, there was an article i ran into that made the exact point, in a list of four. meanwhile (superficially) reviewed the complete list of trilema articles i looked at this month (on this mchine), >6k lines, did not find it anymore. fuck me. and then of course there's http://trilema.com/2019/pizd-atrage-da-curu-trage-ca-n-viata-tragic/ )

mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-20#1929777 < this, obviously is the exact complement to the oft-repeated "now that i write article 2, i find article 1 useful ; there was no way to evaluate this utility at the time decision to write article 1 was to be made" re blogwriting.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 14:04:28 asciilifeform: diana_alt: i have plan to move the box to traditional apache, but yet not figured out how to do so w/out unacceptably long disruption of service .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 13:50:01 asciilifeform: diana_alt: fwiw i was not, to date, able to rule out mp's 'overworked pipe' hypothesis .

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 14:20:04 diana_alt: spyked: I don't recall and can't see at http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/081-feedbot-manual.html - is feedbot for L1 only or does it work for anyone with positive ratings or regardless of rating or what?

asciilifeform: i.e. takes ~0.068s to travel the 50km or so to asciilifeform's chair from said pseudobox.

asciilifeform: (i.e. all on top of this, is transmission delay from east amerireich, where thing sits.)

asciilifeform: i expect at some pt mp will say to anyone in l1 who aint running a logger, 'партбилет на стол!'(tm)(r)

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from this pt i'ma follow the prescription mp gave during last 'wai slow' thrd -- leave it alone, there aint much to be done re to speed it up ( as imho conclusively showed that the pipe is to blame ). will move on to other matters ( import of historic logs ; fix of reported catastrophic bugs, incl. the resync of numeration mp asked for ; and then to get back to ffa ! )

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this remains a mystery. i gotta wonder if there's something peculiar re our routing, which gives this effect.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, lobbes , et al : i'ma leave the rubbish box to run until further notice, and give it cron job that eats db from dulap erry day .

asciilifeform: ( i.e. pretty fast connection reich <-> reich ; palpably slower piz <-> reich )

lobbes: trinque: ^ I may have been too quick on the draw when deedbot came back online. plox to lemme know if I should re-issue the above !!v

lobbes: from my EDIS VPS (in Austria iirc) I get 0m0.376s ; from piz rockchip I get 0m0.579s

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-19 16:13:02 BingoBoingo: I remember a thread from last year where trinque saw long pings doing something at the same time MP was enjoying incredibly fast ping to Eulora server

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-19#1929694 << this is worth expanding on. asciilifeform also gets very fast pings ( never moar than 200msec, to date ) and fast udp. what i suspect is, usg's snoop gear that sits as parasitic toad on south amer's pipe, specifically slows down tcp.

asciilifeform: i'ma switch this thing off in coupla days, once errybody's taken the offered measurement and is satisfied ( i dun want a 'fossilized' logger sitting for idiots to find and think 'they're dead' )

asciilifeform: i suppose for completeness will mention an alt-hypothesis -- somehow nic on dulap is culprit.

asciilifeform: errybody's welcome to play with the mirror ( it's a '1st month -- phreeee!' pseudo-machine , i'ma leave it up for a spell, tho it will , obv., grow no new log lines )

BingoBoingo: I remember a thread from last year where trinque saw long pings doing something at the same time MP was enjoying incredibly fast ping to Eulora server

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I don't think that will be needed http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/05a8I/?raw=true

asciilifeform: diana_alt's, on other hand, is very similar to mine, i.e. no substantial diff b/w main and 'naked'

asciilifeform: ty diana_alt , BingoBoingo . (i'ma switch off the 2nd logger for nao, will run it again if anyone requests, later)