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mircea_popescu: that there is.
asciilifeform: there is already a hard impossibility proof of turing-complete computation in a homomorphic turd. ☟︎
herbijudlestoids: no, i meant, would he like to feed his turd giblets :P
mircea_popescu: it's a term of art.
asciilifeform: so fine. i extract the turd and feed it whatever i like
asciilifeform: and on top of that, is only willing to sign giblets beginning with 1.
asciilifeform: so let's say you have a homomorphic turd that signs arbitrary giblets with your key (which, for the sake of argument, assume cannot be extracted, as claimed)
asciilifeform: naturally, we have the boojum: '...the attacker would be able to *use* the secrets only in the way that the software allows...'
asciilifeform: 6) All of this is based on mathematical computational assumptions, which may be proven false by future algorithmic advances.
asciilifeform: 5) Obfuscation is really a terrible name, but unfortunately it is the mathematical term that has become widely used in the academic (non-hacker) community.
asciilifeform: 4) In no direct way does secure obfuscation have anything to with DRM, software copy protection, etc.
asciilifeform: secrets only in the way that the software allows, but not recover these secrets in any way beyond that.
asciilifeform: 3) The right way to think of what secure obfuscation allows is to create, *under many technical conditions*, software that has secrets built into it. These secrets are used by the software to compute output, and yet the secrets remain hidden even if an attacker obtains the entire machine-level code of the software, which of course the attacker could run and analyze. Thus the attacker would be able to *use* the
asciilifeform: 2) Secure obfuscation is a mathematical term of art. It is unfortunate that the word "obfuscation" has an ordinary meaning that is very different than what we mean. An analogy might be the word "countable" which for mathematicians usually refers to infinite sets, while lay readers would likely not think this way.
asciilifeform: 1) The title is misleading: secure obfuscation does not necessarily create "unhackable" software, whatever that means.
asciilifeform: I am a co-author of the research quoted in the article. I realize it is likely pointless to write this comment in an Internet forum, but let me attempt to clarify the situation, in the hope that some thoughtful participants will find it useful. Please note: I will not be monitoring this forum in the future. If you are a researcher, please feel free to contact me.
asciilifeform: the original turd: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2014/02/cryptography-breakthrough/all/
asciilifeform: homomorphic crypto seems to have the ancient appeal of other proven impossibilities, like perpetuum mobile.
chipug: lol ThickAsThieves XD
chipug: that's what i find so funny about people talking about bitcoin safety and hacking... it's all a continual cycle nowadays and that won't change. like leapfrog
ThickAsThieves: I get all my anti-spy gear from the NSA
Duffer1: till the nsa intercepts all packages of box manufacturers and replaces them with compromised versions before sending them on
ThickAsThieves: all things are what they are til they arent
chipug: unhackable for how long... til someone works it out?
ThickAsThieves: nice to meet another reasonable man
ozbot: Revolutionary new cryptography tool could make software unhackable | ExtremeTech
chipug: he is so proud of it too lol
dub: inb4 'would you be interested in taking insertion photos'
mircea_popescu: ok, so then you missed what github is.
chipug: i used to be a hospital admin in a psychitric hospital for almost 8 years but they fuckedme over
mircea_popescu: "and then he said, I MUST EXPLAIN!!1" and I closed the pull request.
ThickAsThieves: i'm telling you man
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the best github drama to date was
chipug: lol sorry lay on keyboard hence the 0; mircea_popescu i got smuggled in, was born in holland :P
jborkl: Yep, just like that- that is divisible is not important
ThickAsThieves: your % of worth in the world
mircea_popescu: all the problems of bitcoin, resolved!
ThickAsThieves: maybe we should make a coin that isnt a coin, just percentages
jborkl: Print more, that fixes all problems. Signed by the treasury
mircea_popescu: "it's either that or we're bankrupt"
mircea_popescu: "for the good of the country everyone's gold must be confiscated"
ThickAsThieves: cure the hope?
ThickAsThieves: what will the answer do?
herbijudlestoids: " I still demand [Palmer] answer for what he's doing to ruin the DogeCoin currency." "
mircea_popescu: plz to tip him a doge.
mircea_popescu: chipug they even allow brunettes in scotland ?
herbijudlestoids: this is as good as the bill nye vs ham thing
chipug: think they are pups mircea_popescu
jborkl: No, they no do maths good. Amazing
chipug: but just think of your life rolling round your doge riches..... in 2080
herbijudlestoids: its an arduous job but someone has to do
herbijudlestoids: chipug: i get paid 0.0000001 doge every day to maintain them
mircea_popescu: see the topic eh ?
chipug: who does the log keeping for here? not every channel has a log do they?
mircea_popescu: it's just... kids that grew up without any limits having psychological issues.
ThickAsThieves: the US basically perverted advertising to the degree people are at least part salesman, or part sucker. it's a sad play but so many parts to fill.
mircea_popescu: as if the total heat differential i nthe universe weren't ALSO fixed.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids they really go over the deep end with this "fixed" bs.
herbijudlestoids: therefore the supply is not fixed, its just constrained by price
jborkl: Well you have to divide IQ by # of sock puppet accts
asciilifeform: if by 'out of the woodwork' one means 'ECDSA crypto-break using Advanced Magic'...
chipug: thats the one! thanks!
herbijudlestoids: are you adjusting for the avg IQ mircea_popescu?
chipug: what was that random site that has irc quotes?
mircea_popescu: i swear the proportion of good to retarded quotes i read can not be explained away statistically.
ThickAsThieves: when did bitcoin stop responding to demand?
jborkl: Ha, ripple is now some type of retarded charity now
herbijudlestoids: bitcoin does not have a fixed supply, i am sure if the price goes up to $1,000,000,000,000 some supply will come out of the woodwork
herbijudlestoids: i just looked it up ThickAsThieves
chipug: lol thanks ThickAsThieves
dub: think about vexual then realise the writer shares the same broken piece of genome
ThickAsThieves: i cant believe that text from Business Insider..
jborkl: Chipug, you Romanian also or VPN into a To freenode server
ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
asciilifeform: m-pr is a titan:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform chetty is actually a girl too, the eulora chief of tech
chipug: forumites like to wind me up about it
asciilifeform: i did think that mpoe-pr lurks hidden somewhere here.
mircea_popescu: haha i wouldn't say that,
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: some more than others, depends on who the target audience is
chipug: sorry if im in the way
chipug: thats why all the bait pics ive been mentioning the shoes....
chipug: why do gentlemen prefer blondes? (I'm brunette - had to read lol - very good )
mircea_popescu: jborkl mining huh. that great timewaster.
jborkl: I have a November jupiter up to 1th
chipug: i pick the articles for their titles, not gonna lie :)
jborkl: Yes, regular fiat business is booming and all the hardware I have has been taking up time basically tuning each chip
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids you know like i was saying to diametric the other day, this article gets a lot of wordcount mileage out of the banal
mircea_popescu: hehe. took a break there for a few, did you ?
jborkl: I feel honored to be mentioned on there, really. Thanks Mp
ozbot: People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
jborkl: Bcoinnews.com my bad typo
dub: on the mp blogroll
mircea_popescu: You tried to visit bcoinews.com, which is not loading.
dub: you big tim now
mircea_popescu: hey, did i get you on the blogs list ?
jborkl: Mircea, you know I love your writing. I am not very verbose but in a non competitive way bcoinews.com . I printed that first :)
mircea_popescu: this is inflationary thinking.
nubbins`: well who knows what i'd have ended up thinking about if i'd gotten it right the first time
nubbins`: tbh i never thought about it much until recently