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BingoBoingo: Also
there is no such
thing is an acute precursor unless you want
to
talk prodrugs like codeine
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo: um, no,
the beans contain L-DOPA which is an acute dopamine precursor, l-tyrosine is much more effective and less acute, precursor
to all catecholamines
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: If you want catecholamine precursors
though Lima/Fava beans work just fine
BingoBoingo: I only brought Zyprexa up, because Vitamin H would have been
too obvious...
herbijudlestoids: i dont
take any synthetics, l-tyrosine is a metabolic precursor you can easily obtain from food :)
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform:
thanks for your generosity i guess, what is
this?
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: in
that case i would always use freenet, but i dont want persistence and prefer 10,000 lamers
to have
the packets in
their NIC
than on
their disk.
mircea_popescu: because it's better
to fuck willingly
than
to get fucked ?
herbijudlestoids: asciilifeform: i make
that assumption, but i why would i WILLINGLY persist something in
the blockchain
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids your notion
that stuff going
through
the internet is ephemeral boggles me :D
herbijudlestoids: i definitely do not want
to persist anything in any blockchain!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform by
the way : have you considered
this is probably a major driver for
the altcoins ? do some secret messaging, in
ten years nobody will exist with a copy of
the blockchain anyway
herbijudlestoids: why on earth would i persist OTR conversations into
the blockchain
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids:
Turtle routing is kind of like i2p except
the assumption exists you actually know and meat/meet everyone you connect
to.
herbijudlestoids: if i wanted F2F i would use gnunet, but i want intermediary nodes
to
take
the
traffic load, i dont want
to
talk directly
to
the counterparts IP
herbijudlestoids: i dunno what a
twinkle is, but my name is sina, so close enough :P
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Why not
turtle routing if it is only
two known parties
that can exchange credentials in person?
mircea_popescu: they won't KNOW it's you,
they will however know it's none of
the other schmucks.
mircea_popescu: if for no other reason
then because it is probably feasible for
the adversary
to build a list of people and
then cross names off
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: i
told you like 50
times we are using OTR
to encrypt conversations
that
take place over i2p
herbijudlestoids: it has
to be impossible for anyone
to ever use
those communicatoins
to find out who is running
the project.
herbijudlestoids: there is another geek, somewhere on
the internet. we work on a project
together. if someone wanted
to attack
that project,
the easiest way would be
to find out who ran it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I an imagining less explosions, but kind of yes. Sabotaged key under
the rug
that is both useless and leaves a
trace of attempts at its use.
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herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu:
these are literally
the problems OTR was designed
to solve lol
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform:
Twist in
the plot: key under
the rug can't withstand
the
torque necessary
to
turn
the lock and breaks inside...
mircea_popescu: just finish each message with "next message in
the form of lolcats"
mircea_popescu: there's a long distance from
this
to making "a meta-protective protocol"
tho.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids
this is a decent point, in
that you'll both need
to be on
the same page.
herbijudlestoids: dear diary:
today i hired mircea_popescu as a security consultant, and he
told me
to magically contact my counterpart
to let
them know
they need
to listen
to eadio on certain frequency at certain
time
mircea_popescu: well i have
the converse problem : not sure how
to make it clearer.
herbijudlestoids: what im saying is i can walk into
the city, reaver a WPS pin, login using
tails and communicate over irc/jabber/whatever over i2p
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids so you're
trying
to gain some destandardization back. already a step in
the right direction, but why do it
this windows style.
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Imma just adding further reading. Sometimes
the noise between
the lines can have meaning. Even if it isn't obvious in your particular use case as you imagine.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids my general point here being
that once you yielded
to
the adversary
the identification of
the channel,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
the q was
to see if it's during or post delivery
that
the
threat begins
herbijudlestoids: BingoBoingo:
thanks for adding some useless lines
to
the convo
mircea_popescu: fine, call in
to radio shows, have a modem buzzing in
the background.
mircea_popescu: so you are
trying
to
talk
to identified entity X without anyone but X knowing it's you
talking
to
them ?
lippoper: Well,
that's your first problem ;-)
mircea_popescu: i mean... i still dunno what you're
trying
to accomplish.
talk
to
the entire world secretly ?
BingoBoingo: herbijudlestoids: Who really doesn't matter. My "anonymity" is merely at
the behest of polite requests
to people who could confirm otherwise. Who
talks
to who is always difficult
to hide. Focus on hiding
the subject and
the message.
herbijudlestoids: i give you
the requirement, you must meet it, or not get paid.
mircea_popescu: a protocol is exactly
the opposite of exceptional means.
mircea_popescu: by its very nature
this is a rare occurence, best handled by exceptional means
mircea_popescu: i don't need an entire networking protocol
to do
that,
tho.
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mircea_popescu: so
the nsa knows i
talked
to a hooker. fuck
them, i can post pics on
trilema just as well.
herbijudlestoids: but if youre willing
to accept
the idea
that i might like
to discuss
things with someone and not have parties on
the wire who can identify me conversating specifically with
that person...
mircea_popescu: instead of starting from weird edge cases, which
then result in insane implementations
that protect
things
that in
the end don't matter.
mircea_popescu: think about what's likely
to happen irl, when designing.
mircea_popescu: and can't be
traced
to a source... you're nuts, plainly stated.
mircea_popescu: but if you imagine random joe q person is going
to spend resources
to go
through messages
that cost nothing
to make up
mircea_popescu: tho it seems unlikely
they would even read it, seeing how book publishers 20 years ago didn't read all
the manuscripts
they got
mircea_popescu: sure,
the guardian may want
to have a random info dead drop, and i guess
they may even read it
herbijudlestoids: so for potentially any number of reasons. maybe we are organising a protest
together