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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's kinda lulzy the barrett dude never showed up, seeing how we're actually doing all he aimed to do
a lot better w/o really trying. but hey, such is the power of the inept.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: (this is not currently feasible in eulora ; but you could have
a fixed ratio by togling walk/run each step)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 20:37 asciilifeform: re: analogue rng, let's say you have
a rat in
a cage, want to use him for rng. you give him
a toggle to press, connect it between 'out' and 'ground', with
a pull-up to 'power' (10Kohm or more).
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 20:29 Framedragger: actually, that last "5" should be
a 6 because the digit that follows is
a 9
Framedragger: in math terms, probably that when selecting new angle angle, there is
a statistical bias towards one side from the current angle? so that if it were
a person, one of the legs would be shorter, and the person would be inclined towards one side when walking somewhere.
phf: yeah, knuth's literate programming style prefers own defines to things like that, when
a define is
a property of code, rather than artifact of environment
Framedragger: actually, that last "5" should be
a 6 because the digit that follows is
a 9
☟︎ trinque has
a seething hatred of the mind that holds the hive as the bedrock of reality, can cause
a strong reaction.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: this didn't seem worth the evaluation so i passed it)
a "pyramid of science" pecking order may well be involved, in the sense that "oh, we learned null sets in kindergarten" and phf's english, while formally fine, does not actually serve him well enough to convey this difference i don't suspect. g) what's "das man" ? h) how did ph
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: id they said nothing or this ? c) the principle "if you're going to say i'm
a dog explain why!" is sound, but this is sadly not always possible. an eminent example of
a class of cases when this isn't possible is when someone says something in direct and seeming wilful contradiction of logic. d) statements about you by others are statements about the world-you object as perceived by them not about the i-you subject as perceive
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584804 << dawg, this in-general commentary style is very confusing to me. parser fails pluriously and compiler identifies the following problems which for your convenience have been packed separately :
a) the whole "[lowered into] pederasty" concept is used improperly. given alf's incessant usage this is understandable, but mind that alf tends to very finely abuse terms at the very edge of m
mircea_popescu: (also recommended reading - mr dantzig's work. now that was one hell of
a homework doer.)
mircea_popescu: hehe. anyway. drunkwalk it's extremely beautiful/elegant solution to very serious class of problems, as exemplified in this minign thing. i'm having
a ball with it.
mircea_popescu: now question for the mathematicians in attendance : obviously we know that if you want to "keep bot mining tethered to this point" the approach is to implement drunk walk. this however will result in
a gradient intensity of steps, decreasing from the origin. now - how do we shape the intensity distribution so that eg the maximal intensity is in
a circle around the origin, while maintaining the desirable properties of the drun
mircea_popescu: dude wtf new process is this, they just bake 5mn and then filter out the working resonators out of
a collodial suspension ?
mod6: yeah, that could probably be
a decent feature there. i do recall phf talking about it.
phf: ~it is also
a joke~ i have no idea with you people any more
mod6: Something just to start the thought of what to do about all of this. Maybe there is even some folding into
a UCI with this, not sure.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you gotta get
a blog. how am i gonna link
a dpaste in 6 months ?
☟︎ mod6: To start
a bit deeper of
a discussion surrounding what we talked about with 'infrastructure' for V, if it's necessary or not, or whatever. I kinda put some thoughts down;
http://dpaste.com/2S08M67.txt mircea_popescu: incidentally, is there such
a thing as an "ai code commenter" ? specifically, rather than the hard problem of "human speech" or junk of that nature, is there any machine approach to turning compileable code into literate code (kuhn) ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 18:26 mircea_popescu: but the point of deedbot is to contain signed matter intended for human hands ; it is why the signed matter intended for machine processing is
a separate mechanism.
mircea_popescu: no see, nevermind the practice. of major import here is the possibility that we've obtained
a theoretical challenge through practice
mircea_popescu: but the point of deedbot is to contain signed matter intended for human hands ; it is why the signed matter intended for machine processing is
a separate mechanism.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is the matter with sending to deedbot the item #1 wrapped in
a "This is
a notarized version of the original root of the so and so project, prepared for this and that etc" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine it's
a global "search all accessible webservers connected to bitcoin".
mircea_popescu: re e il più bizzarro —
a ben analizzarlo — risale sempre
a un principe de délicatesse... e sì, vecchi rottinculo: esprit de délicatesse!)
mod6: Once
a solution is realized, I encourage you gentlemen to work together, putting previous disagreements aside.
mircea_popescu: this needs
a proper discussion, and the exact reforms/solutions aren't evident yet.
mod6: It could place those in, just as it does regular deeds.. I'd say, if anyone is
a good lisp dev (phf, whomever) to work with trinque to get this feature put into place.
mircea_popescu always found the absence of the range datatype
a kind-of lulzy thing in cs.
mod6: i'll even run
a mirror of it myself if anyone would like me to do so.
mod6: if I were him, this is what I would do: take the schematic blob, encode it, clearsign it with
a note at the top and
a hash of its output value. submit to deedbot. next, edit the code somewhere or prefereably create
a README.txt that points to that deed, create
a new fuckgoats_genesis.vpatch and fuckgoats_genesis.vpatch.alf.sig on nosuchlabs.com, point to them with your www.
mod6: phf: oh i get it. i lead by example with trb on this. there is no good solution here. we do not want blobs in V, and somewhere between
a-z you end up with
a blob that must get signed along with the vpatches.
phf: mod6: we have the 3rd party signed tarballs, that we can't convert to v because of the binary problem. i think asciilifeform doesn't want to fallback to doing the same with own releases. wants to solve binary problem, or find some alternative solution. there's also been
a lot of sentiment here against using sha/sig combination. "sign the thing itself" etc.
mircea_popescu: and much cheaper b) make it encrypt the same thing
a shitton of times and see if there's any key leakage.
Framedragger: (but i think i got it why you don't want binary tarball - it'd sure be nice to be able to host
a plaintext package, with v sigs etc right there. hm. but then why deedbot the *whole* thing - why not deedbot only hashes of tarball version of webthing. make webthing available to view, but also for those who wish to verify via deedbot, too, make tarball available. not pretty, but worx for *now*.)
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the two evident avenues would be
a) power differential analysis (ie, see how much electricity it eats, and parasite waveforms it induces). this is amply discussed on web re subverting gpg (eventually they got it to work with mere microphone, but same principle)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:10 asciilifeform: 'Can I re-seal after breaking the center? No.
A permanent change is made inside the flash memory of the processor.' << which i can't remove and replace with identical-looking one, containing same procedure, exactly why...?
mircea_popescu: if you've internally decided that you won't ship the items until "v demolishes the idiocy of tarballs" we have
a problem.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ---- except that i can't because apparently we have 0 working infrastructure for actually releasing v code << i disagree with this. what we have, and trb isn't the only one who's done this, is; you make
a mirror, and then v.pl deals with this. you grab all the vpatches you want, and the sigs from people you trust, and you place them in v, then you do what you wanna do.
Framedragger: sure, this isn't
a logistical solution, but you'll be able to point to
a timestamped-and-signed checksum.
mod6: then do nothing, until there is
a solution.
mod6: then this is
a question for trinque; he'll know if deedbot can or can't deal with .sig files.
mircea_popescu: sensible, but even if it were - sadmods,
a page worth 640mb may well not be worth doing as such. really i gotta dld
a jiggabit of data every time ?
mircea_popescu: yes, it still will be, except you gotta put
a for loop in the bash!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, this sadmods page with its 640k entries is insanity. gotta ship that data in
a better format than webpage.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-16 18:18 mircea_popescu: if girl
a sees girl b drop
a vase girl
a thinks girl b is clumsy ; if girl
a sees girl
a drop the same vase girl
a tihnks the vase is slippery.
mircea_popescu: and finally re
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-16#1584334 : this isn't an "error" - there is perfectly good reason for the bias (bias is not automatically erroneous!) to flow this way : the event ~happened in the world~. when the event happens in the head, girl
a sees girl b feel like
a slut, decides girl b is drunk ; girl
a sees girl
a feel like
a slut, decides she is
a slut.
☝︎ mircea_popescu: the ustards are
a selection of people uniquely and colossal-y afraid of dying, which explains most of the psychopathology.
mircea_popescu: (yes, fear of death, in the infantile form thereof is the deep driver behind the pretense of integration "not being
a problem", not laziness or anything else.)
mircea_popescu: just, since the transperson is more specified than the any other person, there is also
a more accessible route to their doom
mircea_popescu:
a transperson is no more or less doomed than any other person ; because, again, the gap is fundamental and can not be bridged.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 15:19 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you'd then perhaps say that, maybe,
a transperson is doomed to not be able to reconcile i-you and world-you, and it is tragic to that person (but that *pretending* as if one has integrated the two in that instance is very stupid)?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584892 << i would say that pretending the integration "was already done", as if it were some sort of artefact like an oven rather than
a process, like respiration ; or pretending that "someone else" is responsible for it being done (such as don't say word x in front of person y because o noes they're too frail to manage) is pure infantilism.
☝︎ Framedragger: (hm, maybe you'd not allow for such
a term (transperson) in the first place...)
mircea_popescu: back to welt der kunst for
a moment : there is this (idiotarian) notion that the role of art is somehow "emotional" and
a piece of crap is art if it "evokes" in the viewer. bullshit. the only point of art is exactly as above : if it provides persuasive examples of the nature discussed.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you'd then perhaps say that, maybe,
a transperson is doomed to not be able to reconcile i-you and world-you, and it is tragic to that person (but that *pretending* as if one has integrated the two in that instance is very stupid)?
☟︎ mircea_popescu: asciilifeform heh. how does it feel to be liek, in the center of
a world so blinded by its central greatness it dares not even raise its eyes ?
mircea_popescu: xt. there is no "you" that'd allow any sort of ambiguity on this topic whatsoever, and the pretense to the contrary is what makes "socpsy"
a non-scientific endeavour on the level of kindergaterners playing with cubes - they're not civil engineers!
mircea_popescu: and in other news the argentine cattlehead is the most incredible thing known to man. they literally have no indoor. whether it's 3am or 3pm, whether it's inside
a hallway or out in
a field somehwere, YOU WILL GET THE SAME BLAST!
mircea_popescu: wikipedia is under
a lot of pressure, very thin hr on the ground
Framedragger: " removed
a bunch of pseudoscientific poppycock" hahahahahah
mircea_popescu: "The bulk of these projects are not provided in source code form and instead appear to be binary files, which further strengthens the hypothesis that these files were compromised from an operational staging post or actively obtained from
a field operation. If they had been in source code format then this would suggest an insider leak is more likely, binary files are often used in operations over their source code counterpart.