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awkorama: as a member of pirate party, I would know
mjr_: i would say that a picture with a timestamp, or something like that is proof as well
mjr_: i guess the problem in this case specifically would be in that yes if he implemented it EXACTLY as you had specified, you could sue
awkorama: as in, if I don't receive a websocket update in 10 seconds, hammer the REST ?
mjr_: but if it were to place orders i would like it to be as precise as possible
mjr_: as mircea_popescu calculated...it would be very hard to overcome practically any fee
Lyspooner: vwap as calculated tick for tick, trade by trade, or second for second?
Lyspooner: as opposed to the bid price
mircea_popescu: mpex started out as an options trading page back in august 2011
mircea_popescu: i've seen it as high as 33
mircea_popescu: i tell ye... these asics aren't working as advertised.
mjr_: i would make as many trades as possible to maximize my investment
mjr_: and as i said, since my goal is to acquire a long position over time at the lowest possible price...
mjr_: but, as long as they are not killer mistakes (don't let the machine manage more than you can risk), you can fix it and make it stronger
jurov: and as for the api, i'd really like it... but having the orders count suddenly increase 10x is just too big risk
mjr_: as long as you are getting more than .4% (buy and sell) you are making money...
mjr_: also the ultimate goal is not so much to scalp and front run, but rather build up as long a position as i can for the least money
Ukto_: as well as localized time dispays
Ukto_: to hide/show news, as well as divs
mircea_popescu: was convicted and again imprisoned, this time for a decade-long sentence. Bell protested vociferously against the conduct of the trial, going so far as to file civil lawsuits against two judges, at least two prosecutors, his former probation officers, and his defense attorneys, but ultimately to no avail.
Ukto_: as for sites that work. apparently someone agrees with usagi
smickles: hmm, how did you not get laid as much as you wanted to?
smickles: thestringpuller: you're about the same age as me, right?
thestringpuller: give me s.dice as a present
mircea_popescu: if they did have caps for all their pirate stuff they wouldn't be quite as in the pits today
Namworld: Not as a loan at least.
Namworld: I have a founder and CEO of a company in the financial sector as the top holder of my BTC-BOND
error4733: Sure. If you already have an account and someone mentions your keyid when they sign up for a new account each of you will be credited 5 BTC. Simple as pie.
mircea_popescu: such as apis or gpgs
mjr_: as soon as i can i will be registering
mircea_popescu: yeah, ror is about as bad an idea as java
mircea_popescu: mpoe-pr should post in foerum "jurov's shares discarded as worthless!"
mjr_: i really love the mpex model as is
jurov: as opposed to providing byzantine infrastructure to create pipe to safely communicate
mjr_: as far as i can see it just takes mt. gox
mjr_: about how maybe strong encryption should have been classified as a weapon so it'd be protected by the second amendment lol
mircea_popescu: took as in, gambled ?
mircea_popescu: might as well
mod6: I mean, it exists as a way for people to go, "Oh hey! It exists!"
smickles: it's only been done as 'proof of work', so far as i know tho
mjr_: mirceau_popescu: upon furthor thought, i think that what you have set up IS the equivalent of a circuit...ie. you can verify communication between you and someone else, but i don't think it could work as a broadcast type message (i may be wrong) if i wanted it to take multiple hops, i would be vulnerable to MitM and phishing right?
malaimo: since you guys are talking about mpex architecture: would be cool to make withdrawals more automated, e.g. as on the exchanges
mircea_popescu: and as to the brokers, you have to ask them, but most everyone does it.
mircea_popescu: mjr_ if you mean accounted for as in, passed ti shareholders, yes. there's a special line in the monthly reports.
mjr_: mirceau_popescu: also, I love how you mention NYSE as underdog
mjr_: thanks to something known as "toxic order flow"
mircea_popescu: as in... this order "wasn't really there sorry".
mircea_popescu: now, fiber is slightly bettert as a secure conduit, esp if you have quantum verifiers
mjr_: but not with the same ease as phishing typically
evoorhees: not sure I'd want to advocate it as a mixer
mircea_popescu: you've got by far the best mixer out there, might as well use it as such
mircea_popescu: possibly make it so that inputs sent to that addy are NEVER 0conf'd and as a result they never receive back anything based on the same inputs.
mjr_: so they may not have ramped up production as much as previously thought
mjr_: that book touches a lot of interesting points, but i think it's tamest assertion is that a country is only as strong as it's monetary supply
mircea_popescu: this is a valid criticism, it will. as long as they don't want this to happen, bitcoin is and will remain a bad thing.
mjr_: but i don't think they would be able to be as smug at 40....
ShaTwo: When they were not even as big.
mircea_popescu: okays, seems the echo is resolved as well.
bowjob: Yeap. May as well switch to BFL, but pay with PayPal
mircea_popescu: putting together 2 units out of a 300 unit run is not the same as having made 300 units.
bowjob: as for BTC.. isnt what what we want? for BTC to be used
mircea_popescu: bowjob i have serious doubts about avalon. so far as best we can determine they have not delivered.
Ukto: besides, its generates talk. and "There's no such thing as bad press" ;)
mircea_popescu: The brilliant Bitcoin detectives thought that there was only one person who was a guy (Mircea, which is a guy's name in Romanian) and he was just using a lady's picture as a sock. I am willing to believe they got it exactly backwards, and that she just made up "Mircea Popescu" as a sock.
mircea_popescu: It's like they want to scare away anyone serious about using Bitcoins as a currency, I wonder how much longer that woman who runs the (last standing) trading platform will put up with their dumb poo poo. She's hardly some great pillar of sanity since she's all wrapped up in Bitcoins too but she seems to be trying to be serious about things yet they want to shout her down. I am guessing it is because she is a woman.
Namworld: They'd probably worship MPOE-PR as Troll Goddess
gesell: okay, this is the price chart of 5d for bitcoin-24. http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?m=btc24EUR&v=1&t=S&noheader=1&height=80&width=750&r=5 its the only one ive seen like this. not huge volume but as much as many others and yet it is soooo level. I swear, many times ive seen bots respond to my bid, in less than <500ms latency. Im convinced the owners of the exchange have a bot at play on the exchange to keep prices close to mtgox or level or i do
mircea_popescu: "Coincidentally, my office was, literally, across the street from the registered address of BFL at the time. It turned out to be an apartment complex, as BFL was a start up and did not have an actual office at the time."
jborkl: Yeah, I know.. I don't see that as expensive
gesell: assumed the "get cash back and repeat" was not as latency burdened so it could take a long while and be okay
mjr_: WellsFargo cash deposits are currently suspended. Due to this account suspension, ACH withdrawals will be delayed as the account is closed. These delays are outside of our control and we apologize for any inconvenience this may cause. We strive to process both USD and BTC in an efficient manner and will continue to do so after these delays are resolved.
Namworld: or maybe they asked a wikipedia rep and they said: "yeah, whatever, as long as we receive money"
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt there's the volume to arb so as to render that meaningful.
gesell: jurov: totally. im thinking about this as i go
gesell: everyone says its not profitable. want to find out for myself and then just share the spreadsheet so everyone else can as well
gesell: bitcoin is going to change the field of hacking as much as it does finance
gesell: "The dealer will have an Ace as his up card approximately once every 13 hands. Four out of 13 times, the dealer will also have a 10 in the hole. This means that you would get to exploit this bug approximately four times every 169 hands (1/13 x 4/13). This translates to a 2.366 percent more favorable situation for the player. Without the exploit, you would expect to lose 56 cents for every $100 bet. So with the exploit, this translates to a 1.778 percent
mjr_: yeah...avoid the regulation as much as possible, you would probably lose money because of the compliance requirements
gesell: has sdice thought about becoming a payment processor as well so that it can take USD emmediately? of course it comes with the headache of other exchanges but with sdice's current exposure in the "real world" it might bring lots of new players aand new bitcoin users
mjr_: i wanted to explain public key cryptography in as simple terms as possible
mircea_popescu: bitinstant is solid as far as i hear.
Namworld: long term, the 64000x has as much chance earning money for SD
Bugpowder: To certify that the aforementioned holds as of the quoted time the following with MPEx : To which add orders in the book fully paid in advance : To which add sums deposited as surety for 4th Friday settled option and future contracts :
gesell: wow, welcome back to the real world bcEUR (exchange finally not giving as many arbitrage opps)
jurov: lol i read that as deceive
mircea_popescu: i *could* use it as an extra field, but the db bloat may be an issue.
mircea_popescu: now re the other thing : i can't readily use a hash of the order itself as the only identifier cause the one time there's a collision i'm going to be so fucked there's no telling.
jurov: but as the last digit is fully relevant this isn't the way to go
jurov: such as, trades for older orders are further to the end of the list?
gesell: added bitstamp to the google abitrage table, as well as the google libraries "bitcoin utilities" I think im done for now https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AguYZ5-dWMgfdElhakdHQzhiQXp5emctdjZTNG9qaEE&usp=sharing
jurov: lol thestringpuller, you weren't around here in 1989 . everyone was thinking we are entitled to live as western europe
jurov: kako here is slovenian. as in yougoslavia :D
jurov: i'm slovak. as in former czechoslovakia
gribble: You are identified as user thestringpuller, with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
smickles: it's the same as a regular mpex command
mjr_: when they see it as viable
mjr_: so i am picturing it as an open fund, where as we release shares, we just increase our holdings, and long bitcoin bets
mjr_: to hopefully act as a bridge
mjr_: it's not really super important, but emerging markets are big money, so i was curious as to expansion plans, etc, their expenses are so low
jurov: actually as chinese can't access google, it may be stronger there