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trinque trying to wrap brain around whether this is a failure mode or universally true, but will have to implement tail recursion optimization in his own head first ☟︎
mircea_popescu: (incidentally, anyone looking for a good source of the subversion of "stem" in the us may as well go read feyerabend)
asciilifeform: 'omfg flightsims!? go and burn in a proper winged coffin like a man!'
asciilifeform: aha. or even the reaction to asciilifeform's 'what's a good flight sim' side thread
mircea_popescu: could you say "whenever someone clicks on some grass to make a bundle and process it into coarse frangible thread - they are gambling with the proceeds of the actual irl farmer and miner, and soldier." ? sure. does it actually say anything however ? i dun see what.
mircea_popescu: this is the essential point, that shock of the alzheimer patient who sees self in the mirror and calls the police to report a burglary.
mircea_popescu: nobody has clean hands (go to a bio lab sometime, see). however - city gamblers feel their city gambling hands to be ~theirs~ to a larger degree than rural gamblers do.
mircea_popescu: (and yes farming is entirely chumpatronics, of the worst ilk. as dean martin once said, "my old man used to gamble that he'd get rain. i figure if a man's gonna gamble, might as well eschew plowing."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is not clear to me that a chumpatron operator has to experience any more 'alienation' than a pig farmer. the latter does not particularly care how pigs remember his work. nor the chumpatronist -- how the chumps remember.
trinque might get a used lexus
pete_dushenski: goodness no. just a starter. ben is comparing crapples to crystal vases is all.
trinque: replacing a lexus transmission?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: stealership wants 800 for part, 6.1hrs labour at $155/hr. also recall these are pitiful canuckbucks, not megaU$$$D here, so chop a full quarter when converting your bezzle outrage. but yes, civic tranny is cheap, toyolexus parts very spendy. anyways, my mechanic is doing it for closer to $1300. still a slap but not quite as dear.
mircea_popescu: while alienation is a fact of life ; i scarcely see the merit in building it in deliberately ffs.
mircea_popescu: they ~are~ destined for a blow up, willy-nilly, because they're not tanks.
mircea_popescu: finally giving a formal dress to a long held but not expressed notion that it is a waste of one's time to try building chumpatrons.
mircea_popescu: that's, i suppose, the actual point here : that while building chumpatrons ~is~ feasible ; and in many actually encountered circumstances it ~is~ productive ; nevertheless a chumpatron is not a tank. not merely by coincidence of design, like a spoon is not a fork, but could pass for a fork in a bind. a chumpatron is not a tank fundamentally, nor could ever be a tank of any kind to any degree, much like a stove can't cool your
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform during ro elections all sorts of "luminaries" of a very evident mercenary bent did pieces about how soros ain't that bad - wasn't even ever convicted!
mircea_popescu: evidently the correct solution is ~a correctly closed society~, not the hallucination of an open one. but then again the republic takes thinking, and so...
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/how-the-other-half-lives-a-very-seriously-funny-article/ << Trilema - How the other half lives - a very seriously funny article.
trinque: probably a transfer rate switch somebody just had to have
asciilifeform: when does curl even ~do~ a floatingpoint printf
asciilifeform: 'libcurl's implementation of the printf() functions triggers a buffer overflow when doing a large floating point output. The bug occurs when the conversion outputs more than 255 bytes.'
mircea_popescu: it's maybe unfair that whoever is running that "shop" doesn't have as much money as i do. it is maybe unfair that whoever is running that "shop" didn't go to as good a school, or have as good parents, or as alf points out, didn't have as well housed a library at home. fine.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of facebook users etc, here's a reminder as to how the other half lives : https://archive.is/kFdOX
a111: Logged on 2016-12-21 08:58 ben_vulpes: anyways the notion that anyone on facebook is anything other than a non-player character is hysterical on the face
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587072 << the evolution of paul graham's internet : first, ashley madison made a site where scripted "women" interacted with loser men ; then, a bunch of kids made a bunch of sites where scripted "users" interact with scripted "users" : facebook, reddit, instagram, twitter, you name it. ALL of them, simply put. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-21#1587061 << dawg, if you're gonna link to stupid-woman-but-tits venues a la twitter, at least make it be about stupid woman that has nice tits. wtf is this ugly dumb fuck. ☝︎
ben_vulpes: anyways the notion that anyone on facebook is anything other than a non-player character is hysterical on the face ☟︎
Framedragger: nice foreshadowing.. fb appears to have invented a whole calculus.. "PC speech + PC speech = PC speech", but "PC + NPC = NPC" lol
Framedragger: "A sentence reportedly containing an expletive directly followed by a reference to a religious affiliation (for example: “f*cking Muslims”) is not allowed. However, the same does not go for the term “migrants,” as migrants are allegedly only a “quasi protected category.” Additionally, Facebook reportedly allows for posts that could be deemed hateful against migrants under certain circumstances. For example, a statement
Framedragger: http://www.digitaltrends.com/social-media/facebook-leaked-docs/ << lulzy. "Facebook does not permit “verbal attacks” on a “protected category,” according to the documents. These self-determined categories are currently based on a number of factors, including: sex, religious affiliation, gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, national origin, disability or serious illness. Some of these groups contain sub-categories"
ben_vulpes: i had a full transmission swap done on the civic for less
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: 2k? for a /starter/?
pete_dushenski: on a plane there's (ideally) no wifi, no one talking to you, just the pen and the page. i miss traveling as much as i did the last decade as much as anything for the rarefied air free from distraction.
BingoBoingo: You're just a cynic and also proud patriot like Vasily Zaytsev
BingoBoingo thought outside on Monkeystan everyone just had a room they surrendered to compact shelving.
mircea_popescu: hey, there is such a thing as old money, even in the usa.
BingoBoingo: Ah, a short self copicing tree!
mircea_popescu: more like a shrub imo
mircea_popescu: dude cedar has a bending strength of like 9. better than chestnut.
BingoBoingo: Ah, a Cosby kid!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes a black and white cookie. you know, because solstice is like equinox.
BingoBoingo: A pearl necklace!
ben_vulpes: now for my next riddle, what solstice gift do you get a woman who already has a baby and doesn't want another yet?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i expect once the land/ownership update makes it in, eulora will give a run for their money to a lot of peoples.
asciilifeform: it is possible to make a platinum-iridium fork. and possibly it will stain less after dishwasher! but is not fundamental improvement on concept of 'fork'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or better shielding, or making it go into a reactor core, or etc.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-20 21:49 trinque: seems deeply political. what you've got there is a consent bit.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-20 22:11 phf: i'd imagine in sane world they would have something like FUCKGOATS or an expensive variation of (like john walker's hotbits) so can publish schematics all you want. in reality it is probably a prng with a seed under two keys
trinque: there's a "merits of suffering" notion somewhere in there, too
trinque: almost plays as a "lets sneak a peak at slavery, but safely"
mircea_popescu: (this, i come to realise, is a major block for my watching ~any video sf. back when the people involved weren't idiots, the machines weren't yet capable.)
phf: well, sucks. i have fond memories of it, so i'm not even going to try. like i watched a tv show that was popular in ru in mid90s, "quantum leap". i could barely sit through a handful of eposides and only because i was trying to see if it'll get any good..
phf: mircea_popescu: while you're in that french mode you should watch (or rewatch?) fantômas. there's the three 1960s ones, with de funes. i have no idea if they are any good, because i haven't seen them for a very long time, but i suspect that they are sort of comedic 60s take on james bond.
mircea_popescu: the insanity of this boggles the mind, if the mind can be bothered to stop and think for a minute.
mircea_popescu: yeah, he's not a very good actor, but a fine icon. in the vein of brooms that shoot once, a picture of a car can count for a car from the right angle once ; and a stopped clock still shows accurate time on occasion.
phf: i always thought of him as a pretty boy who can hold a certain pose. that's why i think purple noon is great, where he fits perfectly because he looks young, fresh, aloof and arrogant. but his other stuff is forgettable. i think he had some tv show where he played a middle aged detective, where he was great again, by virtue of being the right age
mircea_popescu: aaand i just looted ~half a btc worth of dagsden flags in eulora. mwahaha.
mircea_popescu: fwiw de funes shows the same tragic character, except he's more of an engineer at heart, a great administrator, a sort of fouquet rather than you know, piaf's legionnaire.
mircea_popescu: phf possibly not. but yes, not ~entirely~ bad, and as an actor certainly better than whatever dorks available today, so he'd still win a "what do we watch" competition. the period though... ah, ah.
mircea_popescu: (as a public service : /alɛ̃dəlɔ̃ nʲˈe pʲjˈɵt ɐdʲɪkɐlˈon/ /alɛ̃dəlɔ̃ pʲjˈɵt dvɐjnˈoj bɜrbon/ /alɛ̃dəlɔ̃ ɡəvɐrʲˈit pəfrɐnt͡sˈuskʲɪ/ )
mircea_popescu: he did enjoy a period of chuck norris ism in ru did he
mircea_popescu: back then, the french were still pretending to be a thing. much in the manner of today's us.
asciilifeform: whole subj, recall began with asciilifeform's request for a literal 'talmud' to take to bed..
mircea_popescu: (yes, all allergies mean one thing - that you're a degenerate fenotype not fit for life. what can you do ? certainly can't go back in time and whack ytour mother to fuck better drunks.)
mircea_popescu: patient is indeed not operable in the sense you mean ; but medicine is chiefly a pile of paleatives, not "radical bioreengineering technology"
asciilifeform: looks almost as if it'd be a skin , front end running tcpwise in front of trb node
a111: Logged on 2016-12-20 20:10 asciilifeform: at a certain point, if you attempt the operation, you start to ask 'why is there satoshi crapolade in my bitcoin2.0' rather than 'ooh neato, a repaired trb!'
asciilifeform: also it is strange to suppose that a casino player could take a legitimate interest in the rng of the game machine. it is intrinsically promisetronic, he is stuck taking the house's word for it.
asciilifeform: the difficulty is in making something that can be distinguished, in a spot check, from aes(unixtime+salt), by skeptic.
phf: that's fair, i think we had a thread, when you first started working on this, with various schemes. "use the optics on your iphone" etc.
asciilifeform: given as it is not physically possible to audit an analogue rng in the same sense as one can audit the digital board (i.e. by putting a TB of random through it, and comparing what comes out other end to the expected), i expect that plenty of folks will choose to build their own analogue unit.
asciilifeform: including a morse button
asciilifeform: fwiw (and i may have explained it in the past) FUCKGOATS will work with, e.g., a geiger, or anything else that can supply 1/0 signal
phf: i'd imagine in sane world they would have something like FUCKGOATS or an expensive variation of (like john walker's hotbits) so can publish schematics all you want. in reality it is probably a prng with a seed under two keys ☟︎
asciilifeform: otherwise it can just as easily be a device that puts current unix time + salt through aes
phf: asciilifeform: is that one of those mandatory gaming authority certifications? or a "you can trust our gaming servers, we got an EVALUATION, got checksums and everything"
trinque: seems deeply political. what you've got there is a consent bit. ☟︎
asciilifeform: ^ 'official certification' of 'trng' of some poker derps, by some purported 'test lab', scrolled through to see what the submitted hardware was, and it... wasn't. it was a list of java src turds and their file hashes!
asciilifeform: not that this isn't a literally half-second snipsnip.
asciilifeform: this is a thing?!
ben_vulpes: is anyone aware of a 'muxing' 'dashboard' for staying abreast of several different clients' opinions of network state?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you recall and could you cite a line where you talk about folx using ersatz clients, forking and 'fools'?
ben_vulpes: kinda think that a bitcoin client is journeyman republican project
BingoBoingo: Leather seats are a thing!
asciilifeform: picture a farm d00d upgrading from horse plow to tractor, who goes to tractor factory to demand that parts of his freshly dead horse be incorporated into the machine.
asciilifeform: at a certain point, if you attempt the operation, you start to ask 'why is there satoshi crapolade in my bitcoin2.0' rather than 'ooh neato, a repaired trb!' ☟︎
asciilifeform: which is where a trb node is actually hanging for 10-50% of a given day.
asciilifeform: afterwards, anything that contains only (A) can be made lockless
asciilifeform: if any (C) is found, it must be sliced apart with a knife until there is no (C)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al : the pill that would be needed to cure the locks retardation once and for all (and enable, e.g., queueing) while preserving semantics, would be to go through each and every function call in trb and determine if it A) Reads state B) Modifies state C) both D) neither
ben_vulpes: all of a sudden i want to collect data on how long trb takes to return from a simple getinfo call, per your above protocol
asciilifeform: which is, that simply getting a valid block takes your node out of action for 5-15 min !
asciilifeform: on my nodes, just about every 'received block...' is followed by a bunch of telltale 'socket closed' from barfing peers
asciilifeform: (check your own collection of blackhole logs, how many are preceded by a 'received block 0000000....' )
asciilifeform: initially idea was that it would be a kind of load balance arrangement, if one were in blackhole state, connections would rout to other. but in the end i did not bother with this, and simply let one hang behind the other, and used the setup simply to observe how 'blackholing' propagates.
asciilifeform: at one time i ran a barbaric experiment where same box would run ~two separate~ instances of trb
asciilifeform: i'll add to this that in trb as we have it, you ONLY need blockchain to verify a potential mempool tx
asciilifeform: queueing is sane but i will point out that from the other side, a node that doesn't answer immediately because it queued, is not distinguishable from one that doesn't answer because it is spinning wheels on block verification.