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pankkake: just having bitcoind with no GUI code was
than achievement
pankkake: the initial code was horrible, couldn't get it
to compile, full of wxwindows crap where
there shouldn't be. stayed away :/
mircea_popescu: the resultant mess is unusable past about 0.6.x or
thereabouts, for
these reasons.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: it has since been "fixed" in
the hands of mediocre coders with no system design comprehension whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids
the original stuff was poorly written by one unexperienced coder with a lot of system design experience.
herbijudlestoids: i was under
the impression
that
the existing implmentation was pretty well coded (at least from a security perspective) but it seems like most on here disagree
mike_c: who has nothing
to do
the rest of
the year?
pankkake: what about
the Go implementation?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also
throw away
the last 2/3rds
herbijudlestoids: in reference
to
the current bitcoin "reference implementation"?
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids
the point in quesiton is "throw away
the first chapter of your novel"
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ozbot: It was
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the blurst of
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mircea_popescu: well it's supposed
to be funny by contrast.
the one
team
that didn't need
tech
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i don't get
the joke, but i get your point.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Slimmest
turd is a different contest.
That is easily solved
through copious amunts of magnesium citrate and not allowing
turds
to leave solution in water.
mircea_popescu: the
third is more flegmatic. either one or
two bridges.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am pretty sure
the solution
to
that problem is skipping ms-dos or any other os nd just writing asm hello world
mircea_popescu: mike_c buncha
teams are presenting offers
to build a brige.
they all start from both sides. one
team has laser sensors and whatever,
the 2nd satellite and whatnot
mike_c: hmm. we're
talking about different jokes. i'm
talking about bob
the bridge builder
mike_c: only
the bridge builder one
BingoBoingo: I can't believe B007 quit before I had
the chance
to drop links
mike_c: asciilifeform: ok.. so you are saying reverse engineer instead of start from
the
top.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i suspect
the code only came because
the response
to
the paper was a particular brand of retarded.
mike_c: the fricking white paper came before
the code
mircea_popescu: why are you so focused on
the building and implementation notional universe ?
mike_c: you don't build
the perfect factory by starting
to build
the machines. you figure out
the overall process first,
the steps.
then you build
the robots.
mircea_popescu: it's not a matter of agreeing how we'd like
the vase
to look, but a matter of representing how gravity actually and in fact does work
mircea_popescu: no, because
this is not art an we aren't making a vase.
mike_c: yes. and perhaps satoshi could write
that. barring
that, i
think
the order should be: we agree on
the rationale,
then are capable of writing
the kalishnikov version.
MisterE: eventualy you have
to ship
MisterE: mike_c: at
this point in
time I agree
mike_c: ok, i've beaten
this horse.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well,
they debated Parimenides versus Heraclitus and just raped each other.
mike_c: yes, which is why i
think
the logic of bitcoin being organized is more important
than
the perfect implementation.
mircea_popescu: how was one supposed
to
think logically before aristotle got around
to writing logics ?
BingoBoingo: B007: No, next year it might be worth
too much
to spend on your dignity. Buttcoins are purely deflationary.
mircea_popescu: basically a pull rather
than a push for now because we aren't yet as formalised
mike_c: mircea_popescu: wait. i disagree. how are you supposed
to learn
the rationale?
this is why something BingoBoingo collecting satoshi's mails are useful.
BingoBoingo: B007: You might be agreeable
to
that price next year, but
the offer won't be
there.
BingoBoingo: B007: if anon wants BTC
they have
to play
their pooper
MisterE: they want
their own NSA proof internets, impossible I know, but...
BingoBoingo: B007: But a laundry maker in your pooper, write Bingo on your left asscheek and Boingo on your right asscheek. I'll pay 0.01 BTC for
the picture.
MisterE: I dunno why countries
that want
to break
the dollar hegemony already like S. American's who have been fucked by
the US / CIA for decades don't start
their own cryptocurrency
MisterE: if it goes back
to $1k I'll go in
there and retrieve it :d
BingoBoingo: MisterE Bitcoin introduces interesting features
though, like information is only privledged one way.
MisterE: too bad I missed out on
the ponzi
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Well, in Bitcoin polite is neither asking now answering exaclty how much BTC one holds. If you must ask, Roughly or Publically how much BTC do you hold is on
the line of acceptable. As far as answering
though even saying "I hold between zero and inside your mom right now BTC" is still polite.
mircea_popescu: mike_c
there's no particular requirement
that people who don't already know
the rationales sould be involved in writing any code.
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mike_c: but but, perfect implementation does not help you when you are adding
things.
mike_c: fpga
that did blockchain parsing would completely ignore
tx malleabiality (as it should). PEP would
tell you WHY you are ignoring it, so when you are writing custom shit you don't mess it up.
mircea_popescu: there's some post where
the girl's counting it much
to pietilla's delight.
mike_c: my counterargument was
that a formal definition (be it BNF or fpga) of
those is less useful
than an english spec explaining rationale.
mircea_popescu: it's just in mpex' case it's been a private joke rather
than
the sad reality
mircea_popescu: for
the lolz of it : mpex actually discontinued withdrawals first
mike_c: feature freeze is fine, write PEPs for
the features already existing :)
benkay: mike_c: is
that a reference
to
the Python Enhancement Proposal?
mike_c: benkay: yes. need
the why more
than
the how.
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MisterE: anybody who says
they know shit about BTC should be ignored
mircea_popescu: MisterE who are you and what makes you
think you have something
to say ?
MisterE: the best investment in BTC is infrastructure provider, who got rich on ever gold rush? not
the miners,
the people who sold
them gear. BTC network infrastructure for
transactions is
the future of financial
transactions even if BTC is not
the coin / currency in use
MisterE: they sure do fill up my
timeline with
tweets a lot
though
MisterE: not sure exactly what
they are doing
MisterE: if you
transfer within CB it doesn;t show in
the blockchain
pankkake: you don't need a blockchain internally if you have
trust
MisterE: they must
there can't be 1 chain forever
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Exchanges don't have
their own internal chains.
They just handle
the actual chain poorly
MisterE: so exchanges have
their own internal chains
BingoBoingo: The Gox, if
they are reliable narrators, problem is
they rely on
txid as a primary key in
their databases.
txid makes a poor primary key
MisterE: transactions must move out of
the blockchain it cant grow forever
MisterE: eventually
this is
the future
MisterE: especially in
this channle