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asciilifeform: because iirc i posted ~everything that is truly needed (other than a couple of undocumented commands, will deal with those some time later in january when 2nd crate is out)
mircea_popescu: if something like this could be made to spit out html via port 80 i'd almost consider moving trilema.
asciilifeform: (on an uncrippled box, you can debug starting from 'reset vector' - i.e. from 0th instruction on powerup)
asciilifeform: this is actually why i bothered to clean up and post the sageprobe thing earlier this year
danielpbarron: trinque, i'm interested in the hardened one, and possibly also "no multilib" ?
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh
asciilifeform: c machine has fundamental, very lethal problems, and i must admit to having come to believe that 'fixing' it is an alluring and ultimately very destructive waste of minds, like perpetuum mobile
phf: only for the lack of trying, but even now elsewhere i'd be a regular trb guru :p
asciilifeform: i'll point out that trb is ~190k tgz.
phf: asciilifeform: i think bsd people like to compile their stack with various "i wrote this c compiler in a weekend" projects, like tcc
mircea_popescu: do you mind ? i'm dreamin' over here...
asciilifeform: i'd like to hear, and so would ken thompson
mircea_popescu: i'd love tyo think v gentoo is blob free
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i'm just talking about yesterday's thread. half those packages have binary blobs in them, some easily removable (like images that come with docs, etc.) some not so much (like internationalization PO files)
mircea_popescu: i thought gentoo bootstraps
trinque: "how do I get the bootstrap compiler onto the thing" aside other binary blob needs
trinque: if I decide to clean up a bum and put him to work, I am going to have to accept the risk that he burns my damn barn down.
phf: oh i guess the idea is to v-ify all those packages..
asciilifeform: i can think of no counter to this.
asciilifeform: i suppose 'everybody turns into a swarm of deliberately-maintained sybils' is one way to 'vectorize signature'...
asciilifeform: possibly it's the only solution, but i should like to think that it is not, it makes my stomach queasy.
mircea_popescu: i say hey, this may be interesting ; or someone else does. the end.
mircea_popescu: i create a key, sign the whatever dump ; for all you know a new eulora player signed a gentoo legacy v root.
mircea_popescu: neither new, nor poorly defined. i can do it right now and you'd never know.
asciilifeform: if you thought ~that~ was horrid, consider 'now which key is this? asciilifeform 's 'i kinda maybe read this' key ? or his 'this is installed on my reactor' key ? or..'
mircea_popescu: i don't see why.
asciilifeform: incidentally i did think of the 'multiple signing keys' thing, imho it is fairly obvious, but even worse than my vectorizer thing
mircea_popescu: "i have this here race track. people sometimes die on it. I WILL LOCK IT DOWN FOREVER!!!!" "what are you, some kind of idiot ?"
asciilifeform: asciilifeform: 'i have this here minefield' mircea_popescu: 'so clear it' asciilifeform : 'how' mircea_popescu : 'so, just walk on it' asciilifeform : 'i'd like to keep my legs' mircea_popescu : 'so'
asciilifeform: incidentally i realized that it is misleading to say 'i run gentoo.' because i probably could not recreate it other than from backups of own machines.
mircea_popescu: "oh, this foul gentoo with the foul python" "bitch, what do you run ?" "same. but i had expectations from you!"
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: should i also sign winblows iso ?
asciilifeform: (for any purpose other than 'i found on my disk in 2011, i swear')
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually how i ended up puzzling over 'vectorized sigs' and other, even less promising leads -- proper, honest-to-goodness signature is a 'heavy' instrument
trinque: asciilifeform: I moved portage over to openbsd (which had been done once before by another) only to decide the thing had gotten far too complicated.
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, when I run my gentoo recipe, it's usually musl unless I actually need the glibc turd for something
asciilifeform: both scripting langs are turdalicious, heavy, and ill-defined. i will point out that 8-bit rom basics were seldom >4kB (e.g., 6502, z80 )
trinque: danielpbarron: I've got like five versions of that genbootstrap thing; what are you trying to accomplish ?
BingoBoingo: That one girl who came in with generic "bitcoingirl" nick or something like that and left. I think early 2014-ish
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 18:44 asciilifeform: or (at the risk of sounding like complete idiot, because i did not play it) alchemy in eulora, it works there, but meatspace 'alchemy' is considerably more expensive, painful, and rewards -- few and far between, and most practitioners live and die without accomplishing ~anything...
danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque can i still get this file somewhere?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, shooting in the dork here.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 05:06 hanbot: "i'm still getting used to my contact lentils", i said this.
BingoBoingo: Nah, I have a hobby for that.
BingoBoingo: Except I don't get to play with the food as much.
hanbot: anyway BingoBoingo a major lesson of the forum was that "nothing/nobody could be that fucking stupid" fails to pan out, and pretty much every time it's tested, too. i imagine scouting stories for qntra yields the same realization.
hanbot: oh no, i realized this on my own. when out grocery shopping.
hanbot: "i'm still getting used to my contact lentils", i said this. ☟︎
hanbot: speaking of which, i got contact lenses for the first time last week. talked to a few people here about them, then realized i'd been calling them "contact lentils" (lentejas de contacto vs lentes)
mod6: i lel'd
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582795 << you live in an alt world. i don't think ANY car in buenos aires EVER averaged 50/hr over a whole day of its entire its lifetime. ☝︎
phf: ru still uses pascal, at least at msucmc when i did evening math school kuryachiy taught everyone C, which i later learned was a kind of rebelling. dept proper uses pascal for all course material
mircea_popescu: no, not what i want.
mircea_popescu: in wetware these are stress-switched (which is why "stress" even exists in mammals) ; but i don't expect hardware to be able to reconfigure my machine from one to the other - just as long as it does either well i can buy two machines.
asciilifeform: i caught the tail end of the pascal era in american school.
mircea_popescu: as per the first, returning "nothing there" wrongly when i scan hill will result in wolf eating me; returning "wolf" when nothing there will just result in more checks, no biggy.
phf: i would learn pascal if only because it was spoken by knuth (c)
mircea_popescu: there's to my mind two different and unduly conjoined at the hip in practice meanings of "computer". ONE is "i need this tool to amplify my searching - false positives are not a concern, false negatives are very much a concern" ; but THE OTHER is "i need this machine to reliably do boring task for me - false positives are CATASTROPHIC, false negatives not so big a deal".
asciilifeform: as someone who ~likes~ 'functional' languages, etc., i still must point out that it is a highly questionable business to use a language where there is not a simple, kindergarten correspondence b/w each line of the program and what the machine physically does, for safety-critical equipment.
mircea_popescu: there was a window, but i think it closed recently.
asciilifeform: i don't expect an answer.
asciilifeform: fwiw i am still open to suggestions re 'the better ada'
asciilifeform: phf: i still have multi-GB stash of koi8
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on the contrary, it has a native compiler for x86. but i categorically am put off by the 'one implementation' thing.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582941 << i still think koi8-r was a great hack. i think cleverness of that kind is no longer popular because idiots ruined cleverness for everyone ☝︎
asciilifeform: but i very much dislike the 'no native compiler exists or can likely ever exist' part; and the 'there are 2 implementations ever made, and only 1 is quasi-usable' part.
asciilifeform: i considered ml as a very, very close contender for 'an ada'
mircea_popescu: it's unclear if that language reduces then to ada, but i suspect not.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't suspect he's using THAT part.
mircea_popescu: in other irrelevant home flavour, girl making zacusca (the proper ro thing, baked peppers, etc) "what do i do with the juice ?" "freeze it" "hmm... need to get bags we're out" "use an ice cube tray". now ima have veggie broth cubed, for soups!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: fwiw i programmed in it
jurov: no it's actually quite suitable for bitcoin implementation, i have written performant simulation in it (but had to instrument it not to gobble memory for lazy computation)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:16 phf: davout: it's easier to find an instructor, than it is to "find any private pilot". plus you know asciilifeform objection "i don't know any private pilots"
ben_vulpes: in specific grading a lisp 'c' for 'prototyping support' (review panel completely ignorant of repls i suppose) and 'c' for 'high level structuring' (macros don't exist i guess?)
davout: where i live "cold storage" means you won't die eating the chicken
davout: where i live "it's complicated"
davout: where i live you don't just "buy stuff"
asciilifeform: but better still to simply plug in the pocket-sized tool that does this, it costs maybe 1 $ where i live.
davout: ok, so i try to measure resistance between the soil and ground prong, and should find small value
davout: ok, maybe i just suck at engrish, "prong" is either a hole, or a pin poking out of the socket, the poking out one, being connected to the "ground pin", said ground pin being in the soil?
asciilifeform: which is what i thought davout was asking about.
asciilifeform: no, b/w it and cold prong (i.e. the one without 220v on it)
davout: but if it's not connected to anything, how can i observe a tension between it and a socket hole?
davout: while we're on the electricity topic: can i test the fact that my wall socket ground pin is correctly grounded by measuring the tension between said ground pin, and one of the plug holes?
asciilifeform: i have monumentally nfi how. but -- worked.
asciilifeform: at one time, when i actually had to ride this train every day, i found a barbaric voodoo cure that worked 100%
davout: i now have this mental image of you reading on a rollercoaster
davout: "what's this world of warcraft thing?? how do i get in insert mode"
asciilifeform: interestingly i never got the headache.
davout: i also have old guy reactions to new video games
asciilifeform: my reaction is still 'very neato graphics', i am far behind the times
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 18:32 davout: i have nfi about the US, but in france there's a specific ultralight license
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582844 << 'experimental' i don't think needs license. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 17:22 davout: hey! i still use ms word as a vim simulator!!!11
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582772 << i use ms excel as msfs simulator! ☝︎
davout: so i mastered the demo. demo didn't have the wire extended for carrier-landing? after countless attempts i managed to fucking land on the carrier anyway
davout: i distinctly remember getting on the train to paris as a kid to go buy the full game
asciilifeform: i think mircea_popescu also had 'f19'
asciilifeform: i had much earlier 'aces of pacific'