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mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental function of language, this symbolism.
BingoBoingo: decimation: That seems to be a common lesson.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imaginary physical, dead tree book or cardboard box that the product somehow “is”..These are required supposedly because “it’s professional” ..it helps the bullocks imaginary perceptions << the gold coins generated by the script all crapcoin artists seem to use. or the cardboard '90s software box drawn (identically!?) by all peddlers of winblows turdware...
BingoBoingo: I think I'm going to try sealwithclubs, been about 9 months since I've been there. Maybe I can make a profit or two.
decimation: for the most part, yes
mircea_popescu: and so you got to keep it ?
decimation: heh. I doubled my money with btct and asicminer, but then I heeded the warnings of mpoe-pr and bailed
mircea_popescu: i wonder how this even translates to chinese.
mircea_popescu: because fuck you, that's why.
decimation: yeah, the emperor or whoever has the mandate of heaven which is universal, why bother escape?
mircea_popescu: i doubt they have the concept of allodial
chetty: comfortable people stay home, the miserable go adventuring
decimation: I wonder if there is the same itch in China to try to gain alludial rights, like the English moving to New England
mircea_popescu: some people put up better with this bs than others.
mircea_popescu: "you'll find the east indies, you just don't know where".
gribble: Animaniacs - Ballad of Magellan - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM-igYjn6E4>; Animaniacs - The Ballad of Magellan - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg6pXhZxbOI>; Poem: Ballad of Magellan - HolyJoe.Org: <http://holyjoe.org/poetry/rugg.htm>
asciilifeform: easily. but they were a bit too 'cold'.
decimation: but it was the Euros dreaming of sailing to China, not the other way
mircea_popescu: and in general, we could have been a subcategory of their culture much like they ended up a subcategory of ours.
mircea_popescu: and their ships could have easily arbitered the 100 years' war
BingoBoingo: When aircraft carriers are a tenth of a BTC, I might pick one up and start an ocean voyaging farm
mircea_popescu: chinese merchants shopwing up in europe would have disrupted the hansa
mircea_popescu: may i remind you that at all points of human history the chinese hel;d the upper hand.
decimation: the Romans managed to trade with China too
asciilifeform: sailing isn't quite enough though
mircea_popescu: because who is this sea and how dares it move!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform because they could never sail, because they were fucktarded in the roman sense
asciilifeform: brought back animals from africa, etc. to no useful end
asciilifeform: (arguably their equivalent of 'space program')
mircea_popescu: (i'm not nearly that well informed in azn matters)
asciilifeform: see the Zheng He voyages
mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps, but that may well be misleading. hard to see
asciilifeform: 'Group Responses to Specially Skilled Individuals in a Macaca fascicularis Group'. E. Stammbach
decimation: why didn't the 1000 BC Chinese sail to the new world and scap some Indians?
decimation: somehow this ties into all voice and no exit
decimation: frank herbert hints at that in Dune
mircea_popescu: who knew that sort of ossified, concrete stability is the enemy of long term survival.
mircea_popescu: it all begun when they decided it'd be more stable if they stopped making fun of their captives.
decimation: rather than the slaves accepting the mandate of heaven
mircea_popescu: this is perhaps usable as an explanation of why the us and generallythe english world collapses today
mircea_popescu: this contains the seeds of improvement.
mircea_popescu: but the western chimps tend to lol at the slave troop while doing it.
mircea_popescu: both sets of chimps will readily ensalve the troop for their benefit
asciilifeform: and why their alchemists got firmly wedged in alchemy
mircea_popescu: decimation something in that sense. i dunno that it could be readily reducible to any other form.
asciilifeform: dives into, (for those of us who do not know chinese) the reasons why the gadgets did not transition into what we think of as 'technology'
asciilifeform: rec. reading re: china: 'The Rise of Early Modern Science: Islam, China and the West', T. E. Huff ☟︎
BingoBoingo: If only the Chinese had enough inate malice, they could have been the ones to hook the English on opium
decimation: every man for himself vs. veneration for the entire family/community?
mircea_popescu: yes. a derisive despising of the other.
BingoBoingo: Well, I guess this makes a case for chemistry as being a somewhat acceptable surrogate for food.
decimation: There is something about the West that breeds a certain creativity that is absent in the far East
asciilifeform: the kids wouldn't fit in their parents' chairs.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this was an actual problem in japanese metro in the '80s.
mircea_popescu: the head whore cixi rejected trains because they were TOO NOISY
BingoBoingo: I'm still lol'ing at decades of nutrition made soldier outgrow the chinese army's tanks
mircea_popescu: by 1800 they were still dicking around.
asciilifeform: they had countless neat things.
mircea_popescu: we have extant inscriptions enough to certify this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what. they had alchemy inception cca 2nd century BC.
asciilifeform: they 'color within the lines' (as pre-braindamage paul graham put it)
asciilifeform: of, you could say, insufficiently high temperature in the simulated-annealing sense. ☟︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: decimation it's not even the bureaucracy. i despise their 5000 years of dumbass comme-il-faut-confucianism
asciilifeform: the chinese, as i understand, got stuck in a certain 'thermodynamic' trap
decimation: that's what I was about to ask
asciilifeform: point being, if that piece were written by a demented martian, i should like to learn martian.
mircea_popescu: i've not learned chinese yet mostly because i know of no noteworthy intellectual achievement in their classics.
mircea_popescu: but yes, this is the major criterion i employ to guide me linguistically.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps you've heard the infamous ' Я русский бы выучил только за то, что им разговаривал Ленин' line
mircea_popescu: she's not really a titan, like D.
asciilifeform: whoever wrote that tale
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean of the whet ?!
decimation: this guy is a hero to the amateur radio guys - he's making is own open-source codec for low bitrate speech
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That author is from what I understand an expatriate Californian
asciilifeform: the author, about whom i know virtually nothing else - is a titan.
ozbot: Shall be Delivered | The Whet
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm juggling 8 tasks, but is there a bounty on the post key apocolypse novel?
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem much there yet.
asciilifeform: see the immortal 'Shall Be Delivered'.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually the novel of "how will SE look in a post-key apocalypse" could be an interesting novel.
decimation: I'm some guy livin' in the US
mircea_popescu tries to remember who decimation is. who are you decimation ?
asciilifeform: it will resolve to elaborate ruses to steal keys
mircea_popescu: social engineering as the venetians knew it "mostly went away" too.
decimation: on the other hand, you could argue that "IS-95" is a "format" and Qualcomm camps out on that with their custom crapware
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: the fool's fake passport: once it becomes possible to do business only with those who follow formula of 'fuck people, do business with keys,' social engineering goes mostly away.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I imagine Breaking Bad takes place in an Alternate universe where Erdos had to cook his own amphetamines.
decimation: ugh, the worst offenders for hardware codecs are the DVSI guys
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I might lean towards thinking the proof is valid, but could come in at hundreds of KB if only enough Aspies were locked in an attic with some meth.
mircea_popescu: proofines = the quality of something which isn't proven but you'd like it to be.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is a classic example of 'proofiness'
asciilifeform: decimation: see, for example: the notion of 'formats.' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309)
asciilifeform: decimation: the rot goes far deeper.
ozbot: A Mathematical Proof Too Long To Check - Slashdot
decimation: like idiots using stateless protocols like http to "log in"
decimation: I think guys like him and Vint Cerf see what the Internet has become and are sad
decimation: chokepoints in the graph
BingoBoingo: I remember when half of the failed grocers and restauranteurs tried to set up competing dial up ISPs
decimation: I always wondered how they would deal with constrained nodes
asciilifeform: even now i can get the modems to pass garbage from one end of the town to another.