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mircea_popescu: he has pension payments, and the thai are poor.
mircea_popescu: an old american moves to a thai village. ☟︎☟︎
asciilifeform: if they have any say about it.
decimation: all of that fancy military hardware would be gone tomorrow if the dollar collapsed
asciilifeform: the lepers will not suffer an identifiable colony of the healthy to live
mircea_popescu: lemme tell you a story.
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu: yes, but if they decided to actually get their money's worth it would be spectacular
mircea_popescu: wait, was it the soviets ? i think it was.
mircea_popescu: haha where did i hear that last
greenspan_fan: I think they do, but it would be politically complicated to actually deploy it.
asciilifeform: Ephialtes of Trachis
greenspan_fan: higher defense spending than just about every other country combined
decimation: yeah me too
asciilifeform should go to bed
asciilifeform: but the other fellow
greenspan_fan: military bases in half the world's countries
decimation: it sufficiently conflicts the interests of the bureaucrats that they cannot see the threat clearly
mircea_popescu: the us does not have anything like the projective powers it imagines it has.
decimation: bitcoin seems to be a charmed matter
mircea_popescu: i sitll have my doubts tho.
mircea_popescu: o i thought re exits
asciilifeform: rather than individual escapees
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i believe that to be a lie. would you say i'm not personally an example of in the open etc ?
asciilifeform: orlov has a pretty good 'do it now, in the open, and they'll zap you' piece
decimation: except they would be the mortal enemies of the entire multicult
mircea_popescu: Solzhenitsyn spent a while exiting in his head then did it properly
decimation: perhaps it will be possible that a group of pissed off Euros will invade some reasonable turd world country and create a colony
mircea_popescu: romans exited to gaul, byzantines exited to the arabs and northern europe etc
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan generally, the third world or your dreams.
greenspan_fan: the question is where can you exit to?
decimation: I like to experience the fifth stage when I play dayz
asciilifeform: (the original piece, vs. the ad for the book-length elaboration)
asciilifeform: strike that
mircea_popescu: to use decimation's earlier terminology.
asciilifeform: for those who somehow avoided hearing of it, a basic 'newton's laws' of the degringolade: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/p/the-five-stages-of-collapse.html
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan well how could it play out ? teh fifth that matters tried to voice till they got bored, now they're mostly exiting
mircea_popescu: every dood with a ged and a history of shelf stacking thinks they're a person just as much as me. this bizarre state of affairs can only lead to fallover.
mircea_popescu: the country's nigh on ungovernable, and the reason is simply that the 4/5ths of the population that are the idiots believe they are not actually subhuman.
chetty: well these days they try to exploit the frustration
mircea_popescu: people much poorer who lack the delusions of grandeur are actually doing just fine all over the rest 19/20ths of the world.
mircea_popescu: all the problems the us faces today are strictly an attempt to somehow manage the frustration of the stupid that the unsustainable system induced.
mircea_popescu: in the real retelling of the situation, they start smoking pcp and quit showing up for work.
mircea_popescu: this in the ideal, business plan rendition of the thing (infinite hitpoints etc)
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu: they move on to a new fandom (catharsis!) or get a clue; new people are attracted by the same mechanisms as the previous cohort
mircea_popescu: thus the costs baloon to eventual doom.
mircea_popescu: frustration in the stupid can never be resolved.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan it's unsustainable because it creates frustration in the stupid.
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu: read it; still unsure why it's unsustainable-- 0->1 SD is always going to be about 18%
decimation: I suspect that merely attempting to enter the same confined room with him would be considered a 'microagression'
decimation: yeah there's no doubt that the elite whites in America would import any barbarian available to level their redneck enemies
decimation: with all the attendant rot
decimation: well, Herr Yarvin's point is that the niggers have taken the place of the roman duke
asciilifeform: try microaggressing against herr dimon, should you ever chance to encounter him in a lift.
asciilifeform: nobody cancelled this
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan check the sling dope article ?
mircea_popescu: decimation dunno how far i'd take that always and everywhere, i like say nigger and shit.
decimation: In old Japan, it wasn't illegal to be an asshole. It wasn't even illegal to be an asshole to a samurai. But it was illegal to be an asshole to a samurai - if you weren't a samurai. See how it works? You might say the samurai were a sort of protected class. A system not at all unique to old Japan. Always and everywhere, "microaggressing" against the protected class is hazardous to your health.
mircea_popescu: no shortage of posts on the subject methinks :D
mircea_popescu: but this seems hardly sustainable.
mircea_popescu: arguably society as a whole extracts more benefits from the stupid who think themselves smart than from any other venue,
decimation: Herr Yarvin has a giant meandering post on topic: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.com/2013/09/technology-communism-and-brown-scare.html
mircea_popescu: in general, if you're too stupid to make a pan, you're much better off thinking you're too stupid to make a pan thank thinking you're smart enough to make a pan.
greenspan_fan: which nonsense? that anyone can be anything?
mircea_popescu: cryptorush is a fine example in an endless string of fine examples as to why this nonsense is harmful to the stupid poor.
BingoBoingo: If a billionaire falls 99% in the forbes standings they are still richer than Rap Genius
greenspan_fan: true, but people have some grasp of how far the fall is for others
mircea_popescu: this notion that anyone could be anything is kind-of strange.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan they all have equally the same to lose : their place in the world.
greenspan_fan: I mean, if the true scope of the gulf between the average and someone in the 0.001% was really appreciable, the average person has so much less to lose
mircea_popescu: i imagine tin foil'd make pretty good trade goods
mircea_popescu: someone came up with tin foil iirc
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, that may be before my time.
BingoBoingo wants expandable ASP style batons with inbuilt electroshock devices to exist.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you recall that "come up with what you'd take back in time" contest on trilema ?
mircea_popescu: ie, that tons of people are completely clueless as to their proper place in the world.
greenspan_fan: this isn't always the case though
mircea_popescu: just the fact that someone'd even consider hassling you is indicative of serious systemic problems.
BingoBoingo: greenspan_fan: That is what your staff is for.
greenspan_fan: (just not the one you care about)
BingoBoingo: Fun would be taking a time machine back to 400AD carrying a pound of black pepper and an sks.
greenspan_fan: you're much less likely to get hassled as a billionaire if you pretend other people are worth as much as you by some metric
BingoBoingo: It doesn't even have the history to be religion.
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah, the religion of "views".
mircea_popescu: and just how unsustainable that theatre is, on the face.
BingoBoingo: That point is true.
mircea_popescu: i think one major point people fail to properly consider is just how unwarrantedly equalitarian society today is.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile today, abramovich visiting some london court has nowhere to eat.
mircea_popescu: anyone could have taken your gold coins
mircea_popescu: but the social implications
BingoBoingo: Moar nao can fit on a microsd card. I'd like to feel that.
mircea_popescu: imagine walking around with ~50mn in the shape of ten coins, weighing 1/4 pound
mircea_popescu: but say it was like a dollar, you needed 5 of them for a cup of coffee
mircea_popescu: i wonder what one could have bought with a denarius or two back then
mircea_popescu: "In 301, one gold aureus was worth 833⅓ denarii; by 324, the same aureus was worth 4,350 denarii. In 337, after Constantine converted to the solidus, one solidus was worth 275,000 denarii and finally, by 356, one solidus was worth 4,600,000 denarii."
BingoBoingo: decimation: People who lack the btc to overstock.com?
decimation: who is going to go to Sam's club to buy a bitcoin miner?
BingoBoingo: I only learned of this yesterday. That BFL has a 10 GH/s miner sold through warehouse stores.
BingoBoingo: decimation: BFL ships things... To Tiger Direct and newegg after their customers give up on them.
mircea_popescu: this seems to me so familiar somehow...
mircea_popescu: o cause not having delivered anything else they're now delaying for better stuff to not deliver