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Framedragger: (exists,
i think, in "being and time"? but
i've only read excerpts, longish ago)
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: this didn't seem worth the evaluation so
i passed it) a "pyramid of science" pecking order may well be involved, in the sense that "oh, we learned null sets in kindergarten" and phf's english, while formally fine, does not actually serve him well enough to convey this difference
i don't suspect. g) what's "das man" ? h) how did ph
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: id they said nothing or this ? c) the principle "if you're going to say
i'm a dog explain why!" is sound, but this is sadly not always possible. an eminent example of a class of cases when this isn't possible is when someone says something in direct and seeming wilful contradiction of logic. d) statements about you by others are statements about the world-you object as perceived by them not about the
i-you subject as perceive
mircea_popescu: hehe. anyway. drunkwalk it's extremely beautiful/elegant solution to very serious class of problems, as exemplified in this minign thing.
i'm having a ball with it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform next
i'm gonna specifically exclude beedogs when asking !
mod6: yeah, that could probably be a decent feature there.
i do recall phf talking about it.
mircea_popescu: which
i think he intends to do on his own once he's happy with the whole tower ?
phf: ~it is also a joke~
i have no idea with you people any more
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
i think he means you didn't put your name on it
phf: asciilifeform:
i'm sad your schematic is missing the annotation. how will we know in thousand years time that it was indeed penned by the blessed leibowitz
mod6: Food for thought
I guess. :/
mod6: Eh,
I don't even think
I like my own idea.
mod6:
I did that, as to not spam the channel here, and to try to think through what my entire thought might have been. If there is any merit to my thoughts,
I'll post it somewhere.
mircea_popescu: mod6 you gotta get a blog. how am
i gonna link a dpaste in 6 months ?
☟︎ mod6: To start a bit deeper of a discussion surrounding what we talked about with 'infrastructure' for V, if it's necessary or not, or whatever.
I kinda put some thoughts down;
http://dpaste.com/2S08M67.txt mircea_popescu: (in any case the reason that the two haven't merged sooner was that in my head business (ie, dealings in between people) and code (ie, dealings in between machines) were fundamentally separated. but
i'm very interested in whether this notion actually stands to scrutiny.)
mircea_popescu: man... look here, you throw total shitfit,
i repress poor Framedragger to make some space for the discussion, you seamlessly move into vintage lulz and log readings. wth is this.
phf:
i think woodcoin is best altcoin. everyone else is going for the whole cyberpunk fastcompany vibe, while these guys are earnestly doing their own thing. it's like an elven technology department, established by young visionaries despite the disapproval of the elders, their servers all run on thermal generators somewhere in the cascadians, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
i imagine it's a global "search all accessible webservers connected to bitcoin".
mircea_popescu: (Deliziosa creatura, vuoi le mie mutande sporche, le mie vecchie mutande? Sai che ciò è di una raffinatezza impareggiabile? Vedi come sono sensibile al valore delle cose? Ascolta, angelo mio, io ho il più gran desiderio del mondo di contentarti in questo poiché sai che rispetto
i gusti.
I capricci, per barocchi che essi siano, li trovo tutti rispettabili. Sia perché non ne siamo arbitri, sia perché anche il più singola
mod6: Once a solution is realized,
I encourage you gentlemen to work together, putting previous disagreements aside.
mod6: It could place those in, just as it does regular deeds..
I'd say, if anyone is a good lisp dev (phf, whomever) to work with trinque to get this feature put into place.
mod6:
I think it would be really cool to have something like !!deedbot <wotpaste_of_vpatch> <pgp_sig_of_wotpaste_vpatch>
mod6:
i'll even run a mirror of it myself if anyone would like me to do so.
mod6: if
I were him, this is what
I would do: take the schematic blob, encode it, clearsign it with a note at the top and a hash of its output value. submit to deedbot. next, edit the code somewhere or prefereably create a README.txt that points to that deed, create a new fuckgoats_genesis.vpatch and fuckgoats_genesis.vpatch.alf.sig on nosuchlabs.com, point to them with your www.
mod6: now. if you need to ship, this instant. you either do what you can, as
I did, or you do nothing until you can.
mod6: phf: oh
i get it.
i lead by example with trb on this. there is no good solution here. we do not want blobs in V, and somewhere between a-z you end up with a blob that must get signed along with the vpatches.
phf: mod6: we have the 3rd party signed tarballs, that we can't convert to v because of the binary problem.
i think asciilifeform doesn't want to fallback to doing the same with own releases. wants to solve binary problem, or find some alternative solution. there's also been a lot of sentiment here against using sha/sig combination. "sign the thing itself" etc.
Framedragger: (but
i think
i got it why you don't want binary tarball - it'd sure be nice to be able to host a plaintext package, with v sigs etc right there. hm. but then why deedbot the *whole* thing - why not deedbot only hashes of tarball version of webthing. make webthing available to view, but also for those who wish to verify via deedbot, too, make tarball available. not pretty, but worx for *now*.)
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:10 asciilifeform: 'Can
I re-seal after breaking the center? No. A permanent change is made inside the flash memory of the processor.' << which
i can't remove and replace with identical-looking one, containing same procedure, exactly why...?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 17:26 asciilifeform: Framedragger:
i can, and ~nobody will verify.
Framedragger not sure why vgenesis must be used here, even though in the future that's the correct ideological pathway, sure. but
i'm possibly underinformed and out of my element
Framedragger: (
i am aware of vdiff barfing over certain character sequences. but maybe it'd be enough to timestamp-and-sign hash for now? to be able to *prove* things.)
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ---- except that
i can't because apparently we have 0 working infrastructure for actually releasing v code <<
i disagree with this. what we have, and trb isn't the only one who's done this, is; you make a mirror, and then v.pl deals with this. you grab all the vpatches you want, and the sigs from people you trust, and you place them in v, then you do what you wanna do.
mircea_popescu: paginate it and let me download as many pages as
i wish
mircea_popescu: sensible, but even if it were - sadmods, a page worth 640mb may well not be worth doing as such. really
i gotta dld a jiggabit of data every time ?
mircea_popescu: ie, in world-context the bias is for object ; and in
i-context the bias is for subject.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 15:19 Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you'd then perhaps say that, maybe, a transperson is doomed to not be able to reconcile
i-you and world-you, and it is tragic to that person (but that *pretending* as if one has integrated the two in that instance is very stupid)?
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584892 <<
i would say that pretending the integration "was already done", as if it were some sort of artefact like an oven rather than a process, like respiration ; or pretending that "someone else" is responsible for it being done (such as don't say word x in front of person y because o noes they're too frail to manage) is pure infantilism.
☝︎ Framedragger: mircea_popescu: so you'd then perhaps say that, maybe, a transperson is doomed to not be able to reconcile
i-you and world-you, and it is tragic to that person (but that *pretending* as if one has integrated the two in that instance is very stupid)?
☟︎ mircea_popescu:
i am persuaded that it is correct to hold the ability to reconcile the
i-you and the world-you correctly from both perspectives as the one test of maturity of the individual. it is however trivial to empirically prove this is not always possible (which is the deep meaning as well as the intellectual relevancy of tragedy - and which is why the greeks or shakespeare matter, and some nigglet woman does not).
mircea_popescu: anyway, re the "world-you/
i-you" dichotomy and the nonsensical "fundamental attribution error"/"socpsy" poppycock : the determinations of others as to you are made in the context of world-you, and correct or incorrect in THAT context ; your determinations as to you are made ~at your option~ in the context of
i-you, and correct or incorrect in that context ; or in the context of world-you and correct or incorrect in THAT conte
a111: Logged on 2016-09-15 18:40 asciilifeform: if
i had time,
i'd buy the thing and publicly rape it (differential power probe) but
i haven't the time.
Framedragger:
i wasn't even aware that their ghetto currently allowed editing of english wiki articles by unregistered accts
Framedragger: haha! right, yeah. good to keep that in mind. (subconsciously,
i think, that's why
i abbreviated the term, it's pretty derp.) it's sad that some (actually) useful notions are held under its umbrella (such as FAE, even though, yes, we've probably seen the latter defined elsewhere in other ways, and it's something that self-aware people tend to be conscious about anyway.)
Framedragger: ah yeah,
i missed that the first time as
i had to run off, pity.
Framedragger: and in retrospect, my "/me agrees" was maybe childish, but it wasn't,
i must point out, any appeal to kons3nsus. it was more like, "
i agree with this point and if anyone has any counterpoints,
i'd like to address them, too." something like that.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-17 13:25 mircea_popescu: id they said nothing or this ? c) the principle "if you're going to say
i'm a dog explain why!" is sound, but this is sadly not always possible. an eminent example of a class of cases when this isn't possible is when someone says something in direct and seeming wilful contradiction of logic. d) statements about you by others are statements about the world-you object as perceived by them not about the
i-you subject as perceive
Framedragger: as wanna-be rebellious as
i sometimes pretend to be, re.
http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-17#1584820 d), this is maybe clearest way of illustrating what fundamental attribution error (socpsy notion) is, and support it via phenomenological (pardon the tongue) means.
i mean, fair enough
☝︎ mircea_popescu: f get to be su intellectuals ?
i'm not saying he is or isn't, it's just not clear.
i) why do we think whatever intellectuals do or don't do has any impact on what eventually happens ? j) maybe russians just shed a skin, like reptiles ? their decline was kinda brief and they came out of it with fire under butt, apparently. certainly if you look at "which white man nation has a shot of being still around in 2116" ru doesn't bot
mircea_popescu: this didn't seem worth the evaluation so
i passed it) a "pyramid of science" pecking order may well be involved, in the sense that "oh, we learned null sets in kindergarten" and phf's english, while formally fine, does not actually serve him well enough to convey this difference
i don't suspect. g) what's "das man" ? h) how did ph
☟︎ mircea_popescu: d by you. this one true largest gap in the theory of knowledge can not in practice ever be bridged, and must be allowed for. e)
i don't understand which of the two examples given is a strawman nor how do the two examples given map to the conversation as it went. f) it seems to me very dubious altogether that there was a pecking order, as in, who's teh greatest lord consideration involved. on 2nd pass analysis (cuz originally