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mircea_popescu: i wouldn't necessarily mind owning some uy real estate, if its actually being used by the lordship.

mircea_popescu: on my end, IF you actually like it there i guess we could start a little republican coven, buy a house and have more convenient anchoring.

mircea_popescu: i'd have no problem advancing some cash for the purpose. you can go there for say a month, see if you can / want to make a life for yourself there.

lobbes: plus I only have so many weeks that I can take off from the salt mines, and I want to take time to visit old meat friends as well. Trying to plan out the order of operations I guess

lobbes: and I'd love to visit BingoBoingo, but I also want to save a bit first to go on my own fuel in a sense

lobbes: but luckily I'm in NC nao; no such things

lobbes: well I wanted to avoid any of the classic 'reich traps'; for e.g. back in MA they have the 'common law marriage' thing (or used to at least)

mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm not trying to make you go to uruguay.

lobbes: mircea_popescu: yeah, I think I'm overcomplicating it. I talked to an attorney yest. and they said the same thing really

mircea_popescu: between the two it should be done by... i dunno, monday ?

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I negotiated with mod6 1 BTC cash compensation due September for managing pizarro September 1, 2018 to September 1st, 2019. In the early days with ben_vulpes at the helm there was warrant wrangling. Even if I had warrant wrangled the asciilifeform and mod6 ownership interests would still dwarf mine. Having the negotiation of their interests in an equity deal added to my plate seems like an incredible increase in

mircea_popescu: i confess i don't understand the difficulty. you call the realtor tell them the house is to go up for sale asap and call the police tell them someone's in your house please take them out.

lobbes: I'll keep it in the back of my head tho

lobbes: I've begun charting the local bdsm scene here in charlotte for e.g., so who knows, that may yield fruit or it may not. Trying to get out of my shell and meet people who know things and do some meat networking locally for the time-being (this will all be in a blog post(s) once I do enough initial charting). Aside from that, financially speaking my short-term actions will be to keep my expenses low and

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930617 << it does appeal, but I know before even taking a trip I need to sort a few things out on the homefront here (namely getting ex-girl outta my mortgaged house, selling house, etc.). Hard to say one way or another where I'll be in a year atm.

lobbes: I'm thinking I can perhaps do the html-izing bits 100% in awk and bash, tho for the bot echoing and search bits I think those will need at least a sqlite database and php

lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930619 << I am attempting to bake a 'logotron_lite' that will spit out static html logs from ZNC/irssi logs in the style of the classic #e logs, but without needing the pyturds used in the heathen irclog2html

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if trinque wants in -- i'm entirely in favour . fella currently runs a meatspace biz, in 1 of the most hostile environments imaginable, and as i understand -- successfully

mircea_popescu: i recall a lot of wrangling re warrants/options back in the dat

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mod6 , near as i can tell, is incapacitated. and i'm essentially prisoner. yer the current chair.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'll draft an inquiry to fire off on Monday about pricing more pipe.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ftr my own measurements are wildly variant, i suspect the 3 ( 4? ) trb nodes are bursting and eating pipe

mircea_popescu: same exact curl as i quoted yest, it's in the history

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i assume you read log, and did notice that e.g. mircea_popescu was getting 10 kB (!) / sec !!

asciilifeform: i.e. it WILL have to be widened, and also possible that the 'all you can eat' model of divvying it up is not practical.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also would like to find what it'd cost to widen the pipe. AND how much currently is eaten, and by whom. i have dark suspicion currently that we're dangerously low on pipe.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, the compilers thing is on ave1 table, but I have to trust that you better understand the compiler situation.

asciilifeform: BingoBoingo unless you have a specific objection , i'ma go with 2x opteron (as already specced!) + 6x rk + 4x apu 1 . ( despite lack of adult gnat for rk , it continues to sell, really is the closest thing we have to an in-demand item )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 00:56:59 BingoBoingo: Tomorrow I am going to try the cuntoo genesis scripts on the test machine with a differrent set of found kernel configs while the Uruguayos play their annual independence day death race game. Then I'll ask alf if we have multithreading on ARM yet and suggest his next payload consist of either 4 full 1U AMD64 box, 2 1Ubox and 8 PCengines APU, or 3 1Ubox and 4 APU.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-24 01:57:40 lobbes: anyways I'm off to learn more awk and then bed

BingoBoingo: Curiosity, nostalgia, and the late winter blahs beat the idea, grown faint over time, that I don't even enjoy drinking. Loading up on caffeine, water, and vitamins has me feeling much more like a person than when I woke up today.

mircea_popescu: there's literally no limit in anyone's way and all i hear for the past month is butthurt over "abuse" "cults" "worship" etcetera. what the fuck already, whole idea's a) do something ; b) show people ; c) get ~useful~ feedback. this cycle ALWAYS worked to date, no exception, so the common mind response's to... stop engaging ? what, is failure such a delightful thing gotta SOMEHOW ensure it ?

mircea_popescu: now, to take things apart : i don't think pizarro is sustainable as it stands. BingoBoingo 's been there for years now, and he's already showing the wear at the edges.

trinque: I'll be out for a bit, bbl

trinque: by fix the website, I mean that it's currently written with #t as an audience, and if folks here were going to buy more #p services, they'd do so based whether BingoBoingo seems to be drinking again, not upon your website.

trinque: re: my various offers to #p, I'd be happy to fix the website and work on plans for outreach just as an experiment in increasing bot-wallet use

trinque: on the blog front, I've got some weird brewing in response to the tlp seroquel annotation.

trinque: at any rate. I have a coin processor that is only going to be worthwhile if there are services which use processing.

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Last night I was. Today I am brewing coffee, getting thiamine, going to a meeting, asking myself why *this* stupidity again, and sticking my nose back in the book.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-17 20:38:02 trinque: BingoBoingo: I had another idea re: customer acquisition for y'all.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-24#1930568 << conversely, if you're interested, it's the cazalla-esque "i'll remember about this place i used to be cool at whenever i'm drunk / argue with the wifey, but put 0 effort into either documenting myself or actually changing".

lobbes: anyways I'm off to learn more awk and then bed

lobbes: I gotta say, the last ~20 or so lines have been one weird conversation. I think trinque was trying to say "pizarro needs sales yesterday, want help with it?" and BingoBoingo was trying to say "sure but automation of marketing is also important". Somehow none of the points connected despite everyone seemingly being in agreement (and my attempts at articulating it I don't think helped either)

BingoBoingo: And I am indeed giving Cuntoo another try because linux kernel shit is nearly Argentine cyanoacrylate level shit. The kernel config is an essential piece of making the orchestra string yet because shitgnomes it is a very rough edge to the fault of noone here but plenty of people out of here.

BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'm not refusing at all. I'm simply stating where it seems our outlook on the next hardware move is as of this moment, my admission of code generation inability Spanish hasn't helped, and I've highlighted an edge case risk (The Colorado Talvi as Prissident) which hangs over Pizarro's physical presence.

BingoBoingo: It isn't simply that I don't write new code that works, its that I've only ever successfully coded anyting with my delete key

BingoBoingo: Tomorrow I am going to try the cuntoo genesis scripts on the test machine with a differrent set of found kernel configs while the Uruguayos play their annual independence day death race game. Then I'll ask alf if we have multithreading on ARM yet and suggest his next payload consist of either 4 full 1U AMD64 box, 2 1Ubox and 8 PCengines APU, or 3 1Ubox and 4 APU.

trinque: yes, I can angularly yap in my pet direction too.

BingoBoingo: It was a bit of a surprise to me, but outside the wire... cockwrapping girls are easy to find. Like mp's or not like mp's is a matter of scarce head quality. Tomorrow, I'm going to have to put another dump out on my fight in the realm of what asciilifeform calls "unbounded symbols" and the enemy calls "modern democracy". There is a 10-12% chance per heathen polls that the risk profile of Pizarro in Uruguay elevates substantially over

lobbes: and once asciilifeform's hands are free, I think he will be able to focus on the automated bits iirc

lobbes: in any case, I think trinque is pretty good at ad copy writing >> http://archive.is/WxgwM

lobbes: yeah, and per my "not mutually exclusive?" I don't see why you can't have both automation AND good ad copy is all

trinque: I have no idea what you just asked.

trinque: on the subj of phf, I suppose I'm just butthurt because warring over the null set is perhaps one of my fondest memories of this hall.

trinque: I couldn't muster less of a fuck about the final irc bot to rule them all

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 12:08:41 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930302 << i got distinct impression that trinque is ripping own hair out from grrr re bugs in the (quite gnarly, i think was written in n00b yrs) cl bot

trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930421 << incorrect. I spend virtually no time thinking about whether the bot I wrote while still 20whatever is any good.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can think of a few riotously braindamaged proggies atm (e.g. 'sshd', where author somehow thought it acceptable to generate host key at boot ; and tcp stack, where seq #'s )

bvt: mircea_popescu: i don't think it will lead to any vulnerability or something of this sort, no; but still there is a question of what the early users are (i.e. something in net stack, that will stick for a long time?)

bvt: the O ring needs to be initialized somehow, zero-filling it may be bad, and keeping the existing infrastructure for just boot-time entropy collection is not an option; should i look for something simple that would work for initialization?

mircea_popescu: while alf's "no need for entropy during boot" is not correct, nevertheless "no need for I-entropy" stands, can just use the O register until you can indeed http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930512

mircea_popescu: bvt indeed, if there's no I to O overflow, then O just acts as a cprng, keeps hashing itself

bvt: asciilifeform: if you recall, this was my original plan, however i got impression from 'part of kernel & welded shut' here http://bvt-trace.net/2019/08/fg-fed-linux-rng-work-schedule/comment-page-1/#comment-44 that everything should be inside

asciilifeform: no need, as i understand, to actually read FG 'in kernel'

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 18:20:00 bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-22#1930162 << the plan makes sense, i will implement it. though i intend to start from the 'read data from fg' position, because 1. opening tty devices from kernel without very dirty tricks became possible only in 4.13;

bvt: one q though, per my reading of the formalization, stretching happens only on I overflow? i.e. if there is a consumer reading from I, preventing it from overfilling, bytes would never fall into O, and stretching is not triggered?

bvt: 2. by tty model of linux, you don't pull data using tty driver, the driver pushes the data though several abstraction layers. i would have grok this stuff as well. there is at least one other driver that needs this functionality (for connecting a screenreader to a tty), so i can figure out stuff by looking at what it does.

bvt: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-08-22#1930162 << the plan makes sense, i will implement it. though i intend to start from the 'read data from fg' position, because 1. opening tty devices from kernel without very dirty tricks became possible only in 4.13; ☝︎

snsabot: Logged on 2018-06-12 20:54:54 mircea_popescu: anyway, your design is dysfunctional in that (even allowing for it modelling somewhat close to reality, which i have no faith it does) suppose today someone gives you a working pill, and june 27th google patches the hole. and the someone says "dood, i have nfi, i honestly didn't tell anyone anything".

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 12:34:46 spyked: asciilifeform, IMHO the custom markup idea for new blogotron ain't bad, but it might piss off ppl used to mp-wp, who still use ye olde html tags. I'm curious to hear opinions, given that I'm working on this exact thing for thetarpit

nicoleci: Ftr, i've been trying to get ahold of Ballas at his office in Maryland for two weeks now. The first time I called, receptionist told me hes only in the office on Wednesdays, I called back on Wednesday and was told he left early. Then when I called yesterday she told me that he's working from home today. Slippery dude.

mircea_popescu: i am young and foolish

asciilifeform: i was actually somewhat surprised when saw mircea_popescu undertake 'digest tlp' . it seems rather similar to the work of gathering usable scrap metal from chernobyl.

mircea_popescu: i could write say 8 or so more adnotations today. will not, because i can't fucking take moar "o look what i read in washington vice"

mircea_popescu: i'd really rather read pravda.

mircea_popescu: i'd rather donate to the democratic party than give anything to the "unmotivated" scum of the net

mircea_popescu: i really don't ~want~ to give anything to these moral repugnants in the first place.

asciilifeform: just possibly -- on a 'pre-1993' net , i.e. fulla actual people, this would not be. but on current -- so

hanbot: i don't think it'd require bringing douchebags in; have a list of unsolved refs, assign a reviewer for public submissions (i'd volunteer), award if solved, relationship can end there.

mircea_popescu: i need mroe douchebags like i need genital warts.

hanbot: i dun mean amongst l1 obviously, but as a sort of douchebag-level incentivizer.

mircea_popescu: i dunno why learn two htmls.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930304 << possibly mircea_popescu won't believe that it is possible when doing 25yrs in usaschwitz, but : asciilifeform never saw 'seinfeld' . should i ? ( and, will turn into vegetable immediately ?! ) iirc it was 1 of those ameri-'comedians' where 0 actual humour, and audience had to be 'reminded to laugh' via taped laffs ?

spyked: asciilifeform, IMHO the custom markup idea for new blogotron ain't bad, but it might piss off ppl used to mp-wp, who still use ye olde html tags. I'm curious to hear opinions, given that I'm working on this exact thing for thetarpit

spyked: hm, it seems that feedbot forgot to deliver some posts today because of the changes I made yesterday. fixed this and will include changes in next vpatch

diana_coman: I suspect he just missed that/did not update his local mp-wp, that's all

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 12:21:25 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930405 << his comment box eats less-than/greater-than signs as 'unclosed htm tags'. which i also observed on mircea_popescu's www, i think it is ancient wp bug (of the 'no one wants to fix' sort, it'd require a 2-pass parser)

mircea_popescu: yes well, i just looked at this room, it dun have a "breathe" sign

mircea_popescu: im not re-debugging this, spent a day year-or-so ago on it, i expect the resuklts to be in the mp-wp tree!

mircea_popescu: i dunno that it's a bug, just don't leave < floating around.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930405 << his comment box eats less-than/greater-than signs as 'unclosed htm tags'. which i also observed on mircea_popescu's www, i think it is ancient wp bug (of the 'no one wants to fix' sort, it'd require a 2-pass parser)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:19:48 mircea_popescu: i don't intend to negrate him, as things stand, so you're more than welcome to explore wonderful world detailed in the further paragraphs of that comment.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930301 << entirely possible that fella comes back to life and walks in with genesis of bot, vpatch viewer, cleaned-up vdiffism, etc. and i'ma be pleasantly surprised. but would not bet money or hold breath to wait for it.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:37:59 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930228 <-- until I get proper patches published, here's an idea: 1. abolish "ping-thread" from ircbot; 2. instead, set up a ping handler for the bot, and have it respond with pong; this has the disadvantage that there's no more lag tracking, but it's simpler. proof-of-concept patch: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LohMF/?raw=true

mircea_popescu: i dunno man, just sitting here readin' dem logs.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think trinque & ben also walked in with this, given as they used a heathen 'cl-irc' lib for some reason (thinking, i suspect, 'irc, grrr, gnarly to implement' )

mircea_popescu: wouldn't that read "motherfucker, i have no fucking idea what the fuck i wrote in here, was i drunk or what, it's illisible!"

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-23 05:20:54 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-22#1930233 << i dun really get what this is about, but anyways.

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-23#1930302 << i got distinct impression that trinque is ripping own hair out from grrr re bugs in the (quite gnarly, i think was written in n00b yrs) cl bot

asciilifeform: spyked: the tricky bit re 'steal the ultralight threads' is that in order for it to work, you more or less have to have same degree of 'fascism' as in actual erlang, i.e. can't have shared memory, easily-mutable variables, all the other knobs that make 'earthling' threads 'heavy'