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mircea_popescu: god knows my being an engineer slated for
that went instead
to be stupid.
diana_coman: so in
this sense
there's currently little reason
to sink
time into porting cs
mircea_popescu: i'm not even necessarily sure
that i want
to push it into
the gfx stack.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I see; I suppose
the
thing is
that cuntoo is currently a server-side system really (no X)
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, it's
the same pile of junk ; but it's very different in
terms of utility / justification for impac
tin my mind is all.
mircea_popescu: people don't like it, people come here ask how
to help
like good doobies,
thing's fixed in no
time. otherwise people are more
then welcome
to go fuck
their ugly mothers / cluck on facebook until
they fall over.
mircea_popescu: steam
TO
THIS DAY has recurrent bugs consisting of completely broken installs produced by failing
to upgrade its own fucking lbiraries.
diana_coman: cs is
the same btw,
there is no client-cs and server-cs
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:41:51 diana_coman: maintaining
the frozen dulap-gentoo recipe + all and deploying
that + still having afterwards
to make
the switch
to cuntoo when it's ready
diana_coman: there would be perhaps some bits like movement calculation but
there is no possible reason I can see for
that
to pull in
the whole cs or something ffs; ie it can be done separately, why wouldn't it.
mircea_popescu: so i suppose
this is
the first actionable we unveil here : ima want an estimate on a) how long
to divorce dev server from cs ; and b) how long
to move client cs on cuntoo.
diana_coman: and otherwise
there is no point
to using cs on server as far as I can see; wtf does
the server need a graphics engine
mircea_popescu: but it's not a proper dependency, just data
types nonsense, classes etc, like with
the sad "int" nonsense of yore ?
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: production server "uses" cs because it's intertwined with it (uses data
types and
the like)
diana_coman: to answer your q as stated: I can move it but it will
take a lot of effort and
time (atm I don't have a clear estimate for it but I doubt it's less
than a month given all deps)
mircea_popescu: as far as just
the server is concerned, does it even use cs for anything ?
diana_coman: if we might squeeze without, it's a whole lot of effort&time not poured in
there
diana_coman: if we need
to move it anyway, we need
to move it and so ...
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: are we fine with cs as-is on client side?
there are 2 aspects
there: 1. dynamically linked 2.
the dependency on jam/ftjam and all
that
diana_coman: on
the plus side, we have something
that works so
there's no beating
that
diana_coman: maintaining
the frozen dulap-gentoo recipe + all and deploying
that + still having afterwards
to make
the switch
to cuntoo when it's ready
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: my main question here would be whether it's worth
this intermediate proto-cuntoo step
diana_coman: yes; so we keep
then
to frozen proto-cuntoo with an idea
to hopefully be able
to move on
to cuntoo when
that is ready + we have everything statically linking.
mircea_popescu: and you verified you can actually deploy
this proto cuntoo on various hw, so we're good here : as
to 1, smg will use proto-cutnoo until can switch
to cuntoo ; and meanwhile ima see what
trinque has
to say re cuntoo and
try
to get bvt
to patch against it and so on
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:31:53 mircea_popescu: can you boot
the server as
things stand at all ?
mircea_popescu: i asked if you can boot on cuntoo, you said no. i asked if you can boot at all, you said also no. i verified why no when you said yes prior,
turns out you can boot at all, gotta use proto-cuntoo
diana_coman: mircea_popescu:
that is AMD with dulap-gentoo aka proto-cuntoo aka NOT fully statically linked
diana_coman: so if we go
that route,
this would be
the first
thing
to sort out
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: atm as
they are none will boot because none are fully statically linked.
mircea_popescu: well, either, both. you know, run
them, what exactly could be involved here ? does your car work or is it just drawn
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: what do you mean exactly by "boot
the server"? (and which one: production or dev?)
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: not until I get rid of cs or move it
to gnat and build it statically
diana_coman: I'm rather relieved
to hear
that because indeed, cuntoo is
the best candidate I see so far
mircea_popescu: can you actually boot
the server on cuntoo as
things stand ?
mircea_popescu: now practically, seems cuntoo is (by far, actually)
the least mangy dog in
that horse stable, so i guess we're in
the business of making it a horse.
diana_coman: not like s.mg hasn't provided service
to
the republic so far otherwise.
mircea_popescu: this is a fact, and i ain't choosing a while calling
this republic.
mircea_popescu: the choice before me here is strictly
to either a)
tell bvt
to desist, as
the kernel is
too cool
to be
touched by our derpy hands ; or else b) have some kinda process
to use custom, bespoke, patched kernels.
mircea_popescu: once
the kernel has a
tty hole in
the right place, and
the right place is under republican control, i'd say
the goal has been done well.
mircea_popescu: then as need be use either
the historical fg, an upgraded item, or basically speaking ~anything else.
mircea_popescu: more broadly what i'm
thinking
to do is let bvt continue his work on kernelization, because a)
the current kernel randomness code is pure shit and b) using a serial interface as
the standard is perfectly fine
mircea_popescu: on one hand, i
think it really should not be our preoccupation as s.mg. it's not actually important enough.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I can add detail if/where needed but atm I don't have something I see
to add
there.
mircea_popescu: are you basically spent in
that you've said your piece
there and you'djust be stuck reiterating ?
diana_coman: this would be my list, let me know if I should detail any point in
there.
diana_coman: at 4 I mean esp given
the fact
that
the server code is sensitive
BingoBoingo: Goes with being located at an extreme point on
the map. All I gotta do is wave North and everyone's covered within a reasonable margin of error, Porteños notably outside
the salutation.
mircea_popescu has a ready list of many
titles, none of which MEAN anything
diana_coman: but ftr,
the fact he writes
those in parts is because I set him
to do
that (as a cure
to wasting
time otherwise).
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, and in an unexpected
turn of events, your pages are now inspiring
trilema articles.
spyked: indeed.
that happened some years ago (burned a disk), which is when I decided
to at
the very least ups.
diana_coman: but you know, if
the "few
times" when it goes down it fucks your electronics, I have no idea how you get
to "no complaints"
spyked: srsly
tho, I have no complaints about
the service most of
the
time. but
the few
times power goes down, it has
to be intermittently and with spikes
diana_coman: spyked: lol, you're setting a bounty
there!
spyked will be offline for most of
today, so if
this happens again will have
to
torch
the local enel offices or something
spyked: feedbot is back online, sorry for
the downtime (biannual unplanned power outage at house mogosanu)
a111: Logged on 2017-07-06 15:09 mircea_popescu: which is how every god damned kid
that was sexually abused
through
the process of socialist schooling (which is all of
them -- education is education, and socialist school is definitionally sexual abuse of all children involved) ends up with
the idea
that newton sat down
TO discover whatever he did (unimportant, really) and
THEREFORE he did.
mircea_popescu: the difference between
the
two readily ilustrated by
the issue of recourse : if
the fisherman fails
to fish, he HAS recourse. if
the magician fails
to summon, he... has no recourse. can "try again", exactly like before.
that's all.
mircea_popescu: ive who buries random objects a foot apart in
the dirt, fish like corn cobs alike, because
that's what he's doing. even if
the former returns empty handed and
the latter happens
to strike a combination
that works, nothing changes : one's human and
the other not, one's rational and
the other's just some flavour of
magician.
mircea_popescu: and in other importan points : asciilifeform is not a ~scientist~. asciilifeform is a scienpriest.
the difference between
the
two is
that
the scientist follows some kind of meaningful structure of reality,
that is communicable. "paradigm" or whatever.
the scienpriest simply follows his own internal madness.
there's a deep difference between
the fisherman who goes fishing because
there's fish
to be fished, adn
the primit
ericbot: Logged on 2019-11-05 09:37:18 mp_en_viaje: seems
to me article's exactly what we're doing.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, articles are
the future. Noun posts need actual holes dug.
BingoBoingo: But
that is a strong objection because... when is a blog ever finished?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman:
The process of construction rarely focuses on
the aesthetics of process regardless of how much aesthetics factor into
the final product.
lobbes: okay, !Xhelp fixed (got borked in
the move between boxes looks like)
diana_coman: BingoBoingo:
that "physical posts" image makes me
think of a sort of haphazard hut-of-a-blog, lolz
hanbot: cool,
that oughta cement it.
hanbot: lol, it occurs
to me...should mp-wp backend change
to reflect post --> article?
BingoBoingo: If it's going
to be saved by comparison, I'm inclined
to favor comparison
to physical posts. Fence posts, mile marker posts, "woe unto he
that digs into
this buried gas pipe" posts, etc
BingoBoingo: English isn't a consistent enough language for me
to want
to save
the noun "post" on blogs
through comparison
to other English language constructions.
mircea_popescu: i
think "despatch" is more in
the vein of what happened
there.
PeterL: perhaps post (something posted) is analagous
to
toast (something
toasted)?
hanbot: right, but is writ:written::post:posted ? does
the act of ordering scrub 'writ' of its grating-ness? or is
the seemingly obvious connection between written and writ wholly imagined?