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mircea_popescu: ie, this isn't a place to be worried about making a mistake ; mistakes are self-correcting anywya.
mircea_popescu: i dun see anything wrong with either approach. having them all have current block height as trinque says, correctly reflects present situation. having them have whatever other denotation you choose (some kind of reconstructed "blocks as it were") has the advantage that it reflects historical knowledge. neither of these is important : FUTURE manifest.txt versions can reflect w/e we want them to then.
mod6: No need to answer now, actually. I'll just write it up and post it here for review.
mod6: Anyone else agree/disagree with this direction?
mod6: Thank you for the review and suggestion.
trinque: mod6: I figure giving them the same block times is the right thing, since it's entirely true (and useful to denote) that they were all added to manifest.txt at that time
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this cleverness leads to "implemented solar panel out of wooden stick" ☟︎
mod6: A while back it was argued that a full-regrind of the entire trb vtree was not necessary. Having all the manifest entries in there, even if starting now, should suffice.
mod6: trinque: Thinking about it here quick, I think I ought to have all of them in there for what is included in a "proper trb". Adding them all in now, would give them all similar block times, but that's fine. It is what it is.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-09 18:11 mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated non-news, the surprised by joy thing has been most read article this month since the day it was published. it's so fucking rare for a same-month article to even rank... i wonder wtf happened there.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848896 << btw reading the title i cannot help but think of later esr's 'surprised by wealth' lulgem ☝︎
deedbot: http://thewhet.net/2018/09/from-scratch/ << The Whet - From Scratch
asciilifeform: could be 'clever' and make the atmosphere-facing end a parabolic reflector, and collect sun, but then subject to birdshit etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-09 16:59 asciilifeform: peltier is potentially very good current source for long-term unattended stations -- unlike photopanel, it isn't afraid of rain, or bird shit, etc. and a long stake into the earth potentially gives coupla of degree temp diff yr round
asciilifeform: before this gets lost upstack, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848800 >>>> <<<< http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ffrbd/?raw=true << basic scheme ☝︎
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848784 << looks good to me. didn't want to include prior patches, or just didn't include them in the sample? ☝︎
lobbes: roger that. I'ma update post and head back to lab
lobbes: Well okay then. I'm going to move forward with auctionbot dealing 100% in ecu. Meaning users will need to convert their input to ecu even if dealing outside of #e. (which, I'm fine with. atm Ecu allows me to simply use integer data type and also allows users to deal in fractional satoshis)
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu fatwa'd bot that speak by themselves , other than deedbot
mircea_popescu: well whatever the syntax is. runs here too, just doesn't hourly announce.
asciilifeform: aa hm there's 2 of'em?
asciilifeform: waiwat i thought the whole point was euloratronic bot
mircea_popescu: yes, out of 1k humans 900 are morons. but out of the 100 remaining, 99 females "are morons" because "muh babies".
mircea_popescu: illustrative example : 1. ruler says "whosoever eats this delicious treat will be whipped". 2. john and jane eat it. 3. john is brought for judgement, "wtf ?" "i did not understrand eating the treat i ate is the eating of the treat you were talking about" "a ok, moron" ; 4. jane is brought for judgement, "wtf ?" "i did not understand you saying so and so whipping applies to me." "what ?" "i am pregnant."
asciilifeform: !#s two humps
mircea_popescu: the male/female divide that produces the batallion-to-one ratio is "grasps, grasps, but does not care", not "fails to grasp".
mircea_popescu: going the other way is against nature, though.
mircea_popescu: now the ~other way around~, where male becomes a sort of parasite, is widely seen, from fishes to insects (and, as per "they're just little boys" common discovery of middle-aged whores), humans also.
asciilifeform: if martians land tonight and in their pov 'sentient' means 'grasps at least first order logics' they will immediately barf, 'we found a race where 1 full battallion of sentient males for erry female , and whole buncha veggies ' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes well in that sense, the soi-dissant "united states government" being as it is an uppity (and, shamefulyl, tax-avoidant) group organized under the republic's millet system and so on.
asciilifeform: there also is a c) 'what exactly means 'higher brain function' . seen through certain lens, most current-day earthling ~already~ walking around without any
mircea_popescu: the "strictly impossible" was re a ; b is likely impossible becasue of space-starvation. the deep reason male mammals have nipples even if no uterus is that the "proper" signification of every-single-fucking-detail exceeds the "storage space" so to speak available to the physical process. so ~everything is overloaded, and generally >10 deep.
mircea_popescu: there's very much not a central switch, whereby the blastule goes "now we completed stem, moving on to ganglia". there's no such phase ; future neocortex structures predate such diversification as separate digits.
asciilifeform: i see 2 separate q here -- a) 'can evolve this from earthlings' (possibly not, path-dependent) b) 'could physically exist such a critter' ( unknown, but i dun see any fundamental whynot )
mircea_popescu: this is not even how the brain works.
asciilifeform: errybody gets the stem
asciilifeform: not decerebrated, strictly, just de-uppercortexed, say, to carry with known earthling physiology
mircea_popescu: so you're talking, actual decerebrated mammal. how would it work ?
asciilifeform: sad earthlings already farther along this track than anybody cares to admit ( or mircea_popescu would not be running his sea water reactor )
asciilifeform: or could have scenario in the vein of mircea_popescu's parasitic worms tale
asciilifeform: whoknows, maybe dimorphism could carry farther than it does in earthling.
asciilifeform: hey, silicon-based critters also currently thought impossible
mircea_popescu: this is strictly impossible, btw, the "evolved nonsentient female".
a111: Logged on 2018-09-09 18:03 mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that if either logic or experience have any say, should a multi-century "space colonization" thing occur, women'd be EXACTLY that, taken for the ride chained to a post.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-09#1848881 << btw, incidentally 'a broomstick fires once'(tm), and there was at least 1 ameri-sf writer d00d (l. niven) who had a sorta cat-like alien race, who colonized exactly like this, and eventually evolved 'nonsentient' females ☝︎
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in entirely unrelated non-news, the surprised by joy thing has been most read article this month since the day it was published. it's so fucking rare for a same-month article to even rank... i wonder wtf happened there. << USG.Blue&Red derps suspecting steganography?
mircea_popescu: and on this note, /me shall get to item he's been procrastinating!
mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated non-news, the surprised by joy thing has been most read article this month since the day it was published. it's so fucking rare for a same-month article to even rank... i wonder wtf happened there. ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: coupla times in recent yrs asciilifeform , in saeculum, was asked to recruit various hands ( programmers, reversers, etc ) and you can prolly guess result
mircea_popescu: want is the expectation projected into the future ; expectation is the want projected into the past. the zek is of the opinion that "really ? we still have to DO this ?!" re "the conversation" about how he's to do work. what fucking work!
mircea_popescu: not even "want to". EXPECT TO be paid for existing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform certainly, and the "hr" office as full as ever, for every factory. just, not full with anyone worth hiring applying to do any job. just fulla derps who expect to be paid for existing.
mircea_popescu: so the us can at any time you wish field large helpings of "support personnel", but not the useful kind (that cleans latrines). the ustarded kind, that wants to "let's all make a circle" and "just talk"
asciilifeform: afaik the recruitment queues are as full as ever
mircea_popescu: kinda how us army was disbanded, to be replaced by the us "core of training". "teaching" the orcs is almost not insulting to the idiots' notions of self-importance.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-08 17:18 mircea_popescu: "I am not to be common, Kyle, ok? I am a creature like no other. I know that. I am a creature like no other. And I will not -- I willnot be common. "
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's shockingly rare to see kiddo come up to instructor with anythiong but "i wanna be * commander". because http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-08#1848730 amirite, erryone's a lord and there's no serfs anywhere. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-08-13 17:06 BingoBoingo: Well, dude was unhappy with his life and just wanted to do a barrel roll per the transcripts. If they let the shootdown get out they fear a wave of "muh feelz"
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that if either logic or experience have any say, should a multi-century "space colonization" thing occur, women'd be EXACTLY that, taken for the ride chained to a post. ☟︎
asciilifeform pictures kiddo who shows up to recruiter, 'i wanna be submarine commander! i played 9000 hrs of 'sea battle' ! '
mircea_popescu: "women would never agree to be taken over to alphaq centauri chained to posts as slaves"
mircea_popescu: that, i can explain. us 80s notion of space travel (inherited from 1960s french, as seen eg in http://trilema.com/2013/hibernatus/ ) involves the notion of sending families in ecosystems.
asciilifeform: ( and did wonder, in civ1, 'why the fuck MUST 'discover' 'womens suffrage' to build starship ... )
mircea_popescu: is this your way of discreetly letting us know you do drink it ?
asciilifeform: and yes i liked civ1, liked 'battlezone' also but did not imagine that 'battlezone' teaches irl tank tactic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is like confessing you like the smell of gasoline. du nhave TO ALSO EAT IT!
mircea_popescu: "o hey! this works so well!"
mircea_popescu: "let's have deeply unqualified nobodies in particular puke some text under a deadline"
asciilifeform: gotta say, i liked civ1. it aint a replacement for learning actual earthling history, tho
mircea_popescu: predates the other atrocity by a good decade.
mircea_popescu: "cheap computer game aiming to mass market will expose in garish tones the idiocy common to all people"
mircea_popescu: ah. yeah this is a better theory
asciilifeform: nah i suspect 'common ancestor', the 'linear history' where 'newton sat down to..'
mircea_popescu: avortons that didn't even PLAY civ. spawned by idiots who also did not play it -- but were somehow osmotically influenced by the players ?
mircea_popescu: i am starting to suspect civ was a lot more influential than previously realised --a whole generation of morons literally imagine "the nation of africa" was spawned forh by shaka the bahamas.
mircea_popescu: think about it -- if she hadn't given zee germans zee letter z, what'd they have done!
asciilifeform: ( there is legend where in late '80s jp purchased an entire steamer full of sov alarm clocks. immediately melted down for niobium etc )
asciilifeform: 'iron age' is somewhat broad concept, for a while was 'high tech', sorta like niobium today, used for selected wunderwaffen
mircea_popescu: and all through bronze age, subnormals derped around with wood.
mircea_popescu: all through iron age subnormals derped around with leather
mircea_popescu: all through computer age subnormals derped about with plastics, as a substitute (look baby! it's so colorful! almost like a real computer!)
asciilifeform prolly doomed to learn tr soon
mircea_popescu: turkish woodworking tradition is 100% imported from ro/arvnaut/macedonian tradition on the west and the iranian on the east.
asciilifeform: euro woodwing tech is 100% turk origin afaik
mircea_popescu: well, two! there's one that came from the jenissary music, as a brass instrument (goaran) and there's one that came from the thessaly/macedonian pastoral tradition earlier, as a wooden shepher's whistle (caval)
mircea_popescu: ~same thing the vuvuzela came from.
asciilifeform: some reason i thought there were a ro variant
asciilifeform: zurna is short , reed-powered thing, think 'snake charmer'
mircea_popescu: pro tip : jews ~= gypsies. after five centuries spent on the same caravan roads...
asciilifeform: you folx even have a zurna, i think
mircea_popescu: it's not jazzy lol, "manea" is a trad turkish thing.
asciilifeform: btw am i the only one who sees a klezmer flavour in the trad ro jazzy style
mircea_popescu: but no, the actual item is "paul lica de la roman", "sunt sofer de camion"
mircea_popescu: just about ; radio station producer chick hit me for their "guilty pleasures" segment.
asciilifeform: sounds like 'mst3k'-treatment of the puiu codreanu popthing that asciilifeform heard playing in timis cafes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's me on the radio, like a decade or so ago.
asciilifeform: wats this
mircea_popescu: (i just mean the my spoken segment, not the whole atrocity)
mircea_popescu: lettuce offer a mn ECus to whoever of the rotaku club that produces the correct notation of that thing. hanbot diana_coman an' spyked are kindly asked to stay out of it!
asciilifeform: ( might be interesting to contemplate a power source that runs on guano funnel, but i suspect there is substantial devil in the details )