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mircea_popescu: in the end, here's mp's heresy : lisp never caught on for none of the usually discussed reasons. lisp never caught on because that core advertised principle is both fucking dumb and fucking useless.
mircea_popescu: it's bad enough for my letters abx to have the capacity to really be smileyface or whatever. and i dun like that, either.
mircea_popescu: yes, but i don't want my number five to have the capacity to really be four.
mircea_popescu: or the same money it could be excel/emacs (for what is emacs but excel with built in virtual basic ?)
mircea_popescu: phf your excited attempts at playiung with candi's ass, back when she was a virgin, is a plain and very obvious indication of what ~every lisp hacker knows but none dare admit, or think about. it's a fundamentally dirty language in that it doesn't, actually, admit there is even in principle differences between data and code. "oh, it's an array, and here's the associated macro, so this .dat file is actually turing complete". f
mircea_popescu: moreover im affraid sexpr doesn't actuallty separate data from code.
mircea_popescu: by the time newcomers start asking, the writ is on teh bathroom wall.
mircea_popescu: if you recall the data exchange protocol was moving away from csv towards lispenstrings anyway.
mircea_popescu: and yes, thius could be done. like, toiday. and yes trinque 's irc bot could be expanded to be a proper connectivity point. and so on.
mircea_popescu: the problem is again one of synthesis, someone gotta sit down and write that scary text. not the one to which there's nothing to add, but the one from which there's nothing left to remove. "here's how a discovery protocol goes".
mircea_popescu: phf no, i ~know~. he doesn't expect, i don't expect either, but the difference is im being actively optimistic about it.
mircea_popescu: you want me to sit here and say "there's fifty different protocols in this box" ?
mircea_popescu: mp's rule of computing design : if you know it's gonna be bad, take the trouble to make it actually horrible.
mircea_popescu: why not just make a datastruct polymorpher then, and have the program just come up with random shit each run
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "by-hand optimized datastructs for each app and ad hoc protocols for each connection" if tyou will
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you are running a computer. (not crap, an actual tmsr is happy with machine). when i start mine up, i want to get some bits from you. maybe it's "what sina said about mp on gossipd". maybe it's "the nth block in the current blockchain". maybe it's whatever it is. how does it do this ?
mircea_popescu: the point here being that what we need is the convention ; and it'd better be good.
mircea_popescu: in a very harsh example : i somehow knew how to say "like ukr girls" above. i found this out somehow. how does the lisp instance find out what to say so it's meaningful ?
mircea_popescu: phf how does one node discover the other node's symbolic representation of the universe ?
mircea_popescu: dun talk smack about the pole dancing and stilt wearing crowd until you greco-roman wrestle a coupla. they're NOT THAT EASY
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform with those calves she's tipping you over.
mircea_popescu: a) you know you're going to have a schism and b) you know nobody's going to manage to evaluate the claims, present or future, for any kind of coherent truth value.
mircea_popescu:
http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-09#1680947 << actually this is interesting, and i mean from a metaperspective. consider, randomly defined cult, they come up with some crankwagen, whatever it may be, say the mpfhf or the correct way rto diet or to cure cancer or w/e. at which point ranking member promises to come out with proof it's shit, and the result is ?
☝︎ mircea_popescu: i suspect gypsydom is a lot like brazildom. they dumped all the slaves in there, the results are rather varied, but strong contingent of fair brasileiras, even if lots and lots of mulattos.
mircea_popescu: also, there's not so much darker gypsy association. one of mah first youthful loves was this blonde horseriding gypsy girl from the danube delta. hot as hell, and about as dark as hillary clinton.
mircea_popescu: sure, the majority of ukrs are brunettes. romanians too. but the milky kind.
mircea_popescu: phf romanian girls look almost exactly like ukrainian girls. so is it normal for them to look turkish ? mnope.
mircea_popescu: somehow peeps got the idea it's "unfair", like little kids playing a game, to use computers in certain ways that expose them for being mere machines, rather than your girlfriend. such as making them do things like fhf.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm very much convinced that the various "oh, it's the same thing really" bad choices hash designers and implementers make, very much typified by the above "machine word so as to '''elegantly''' avoid these problems" very much plays into nsa needs. it's again that same old convenience that makes the usg usg.
mircea_popescu: what "bitcoin nodes" currently do is a very shitty attempt at just this. and they are as autonomous as you are conical, also because they fail to correctly implement this.
mircea_popescu: lol lynched to death. what other kinds are there, lynched to orgasm ?
mircea_popescu: trinque amusingly, candi does sort-of this, as a prototype of it.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, i took girl + car out on a survey of local brothels tonite.
☟︎ mircea_popescu: can take the ram from the crapple and put it in the pc or camera or w/e
☟︎ mircea_popescu: at least it's conceptually a thing, as opposed to "here's some data, and here's some half-tagging, and here's some half-code with it"
mircea_popescu: (a punk, it bears reminding, is a young man who takes it up the ass on the quiet.)
mircea_popescu: come a long way, have we, from those early bumbling days of early bumbling intellects.
mircea_popescu: and yes, very much pre-tmsr times the lords were stuck with this "well we gotta cypherpunk, ie, pretend nothing can ever happens -- because if anything were to happen it's straight to vessenes' scam foundation"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah yeah, it wasn't the width, it was that they didn't actually have standardized memory in any sense, or any concept of actula machine word
mircea_popescu: i dun have a general suggestion, perhaps just sit down with the whole thing and make an actual data diagram thing ?
mircea_popescu: there's standard cunt operation without standard cunt width.
mircea_popescu: ftr, it dun fix it, colon takes the day off after you fuck it.
mircea_popescu: "i don't know, baby... we'll have to ask your father..."
mircea_popescu: tru dat, rachel's been slipping herself roofies in desperation.
mircea_popescu: "the strong take from the weak, and the smart take from the strong. the weak'd better have great cocksucking skills to close teh cycle."
mircea_popescu: good thing jayz is so very "controversial", i think ima go buy his album
mircea_popescu: wait, he's trying to turn the horde of aging "trynna make it as a pimp" blacks into good consumers with credit cards ?
mircea_popescu: "looks like a python that's trying to swallow a buncha smaller snakes"
mircea_popescu: because absence of key is dispositive, whereas scribblings on the key is at best indicative.
mircea_popescu: well suppose enemy finds a gossiptron. why should he be able to tell which keys were bogus ?
mircea_popescu: well yes, the program needn't be able to distinguish them from keys generally. bogus is an operator designation.
mircea_popescu: right. well, do you wish to acquire some ? ~what the whole discussion reduces to.
mircea_popescu: this is fine, as a general notion, but what is it based on ?
mircea_popescu: in which process you will have for the first time read and tried to understand it, and likely discovered some things re greatness.
mircea_popescu: it's not directly obvious why it'd be shittier though. if nothing else, can just cannibalize sqlite code, iuf you think it's that great.