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mircea_popescu: well what can i tell ya, this looks like it's a premium item.
asciilifeform: http://aaronrogier.net/uart2.JPG << from #p log, they are visible
asciilifeform: ~0 heat transfer to anyffing but the jack iron
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the orig is a ~1cm thing, with plastic arse
mircea_popescu: isn't this a metal casing item ?
asciilifeform: (prolly can thank pbfree solders...)
mircea_popescu: strangely these are supposedly very low heat.
asciilifeform: i suspect we weren't the only ones.
asciilifeform: and ha, they're apparently off the market nao
asciilifeform: and he's got a good memory, i suspect he won't need explicit instruction next time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo did a++++ work in the bilge today (and to date) .
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is quite the useful remote pair of hands by now, isn't he.
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-11 15:01 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the cage
asciilifeform: http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427276 << whole log of the hunt, for reference .
asciilifeform: diana_coman and mod6 will be bitwise-copied to the 2 virginal spares today, and the entire cluster will be moved onto new sticks . the latter will be obtained asap.
asciilifeform: this is the last time we use plastic-faced usb3 sticks.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I disconnected from the rockchip
asciilifeform: diana_coman: meanwhile i'ma have to issue diana_coman and mod6 with spare sticks after all, so diana_coman plox to give signal when ok to power down your unit
asciilifeform: diana_coman: we found the culprit, will report here shortly
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in freenode idiocy, i give you http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/Baprj/?raw=true aka "how to ping out for being idle 4 minutes while exchanging data the very second prior"
asciilifeform: vacant unit 'A' behaves same as diana_coman's , and exactly same after april kernel re-emplaced there
asciilifeform: ( there appear to be four affected units, incl. diana_coman's )
BingoBoingo: At this point the question is physical usb3 shit or software usb3 shit
diana_coman: you know, it'd be funny if it turned out it is some usb3 shit, just in case there wasn't enough reason to get rid of it
asciilifeform: or any item whatsoever out of the ordinary
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plox to lemme know if you find any clue re why the machine fell.
asciilifeform: ( on other hand i have logs saving to external box -- and displayed -- in real time )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is not bad approach ( tho i still have my boxen set to come to life on boot, as sometimes i am away from console for entire day )
mircea_popescu: 148 days 13 hours 4 minutes 56 seconds on trilema box.
diana_coman: I'm so fed up with "resets" that if my machine resets, I'd rather know+have a look at it then have everything restart
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I did not set apache to start on boot, no; that much I'm not surprised at
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo is as we speak out in the shops fetching contact cleaner and freon.
asciilifeform: however diana_coman's did not come to life on boot, so i suspect a config oddity
mircea_popescu: apache ~will~ fall down now and again, usually through oom.
diana_coman goes to look into logs
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that'd explain
mircea_popescu: and in this context, all sorts of "improvements"
mircea_popescu: hence "nationalism" as a concept -- aims to be the answer to "what boy society could exist in female world ???"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this produced an apparently normal (uartwise) boot
mircea_popescu: there's this weird period in the 19th and 20th century wherein the application of "that there was a limit where the flaunting of their foul acts and opinions before the world must stop" was that "if you agree the world's in summary ourdemocracy, you may continue to try and implement your boyish nonsense in particular, short ranged versions"
asciilifeform: diana_coman: we temporarily powered up your unit with the drive on usb2 bus
asciilifeform: diana_coman: do you see anyffing peculiar in the logs ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that's pretty odd, i could not get it to tcp on 22
asciilifeform: but asciilifeform doesn't know enuff to say
asciilifeform: iirc the greeks in their turn were trying to ditch the turkisms
asciilifeform: lol i think i missed the 'not'
asciilifeform: so they ended up liek greeks.
asciilifeform: which got nailed in their rev.
asciilifeform: re turks, supposedly 80+% of ottoman-era dictionary consisted of persisms/arabisms.
asciilifeform: compared to what, e.g., mao, did to ~his~ lang -- very small diff.
asciilifeform: sorta funny , in 1990s ru various 'monarchist'-style folx went around trying to put'em back ~in~ . but naturally did not know the proper rules for their use, ended up with somewhat comical output
asciilifeform routinely reads pre-1917 texts, they're stylistically unremarkable , simply got 3 'extra' glyphs
mircea_popescu: process not so similar to the invention of "modern russian".
asciilifeform: i do not currently know out of what ataturk & co. sewed together current-tr
mircea_popescu: all "conquered peoples" must be let do as they will, all syllabic agglomeration must be permitted to sit undisturbed, millet all the way
mircea_popescu: very federative mindset, the turks.
asciilifeform: rather like kazah, but without the puddle of oddball tenses
asciilifeform: ( agglutinative thing , completely incompat with indoeuro and even semit structure )
asciilifeform: i admit i kinda like tr, the martian grammar is appealing
mircea_popescu: i suppose in the end a very rosettian view.
mircea_popescu: but certainly to disparage london & paris.
mircea_popescu: imo it's the better euro town. not to disparage vienna
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ja but they wrote their poems in persian
asciilifeform: i only even thought to ask because mircea_popescu wrote about hanging out in stambul erry chance he got
mircea_popescu: classical tk, in the sense of sublime porte tk, is mostly a case of "do you know all the relevant poetry"
mircea_popescu: it's like "do oyu know neogreek" "who the fuck ever would ?!"
asciilifeform: ( they had their oddball revolution and junked their classical one )
asciilifeform: asciilifeform went on a tr kick recently, and turns out it's ridiculously simple , after all is a conlang
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you know tr ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other news nobody cares about, ro "musama" is not, as i had thought, commie-era invention to describe early plastics (in early application, vinyl table cloth) like "bakelite", but ancient tk word for waxcloth (müsemma). all neologisms are turkish in origin!!1
asciilifeform: something moar peculiar is at work, we're to find what it is .
asciilifeform: the boxen boot without eggog when they're installed in usb2 jack
asciilifeform: anyway currently seems like the 'dead' sticks aint dead
mircea_popescu: wait, these are the stick-for-hdd items ?
asciilifeform: but currently i suspect it aint the stick, watch #p for updates
mircea_popescu: for ssds especially is most illustrative (pro tip : it is not popssible to get bad sectors while drive not worn out (ie spares still exist) ; if drive worn out why was it in) etc
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 16:56 diana_coman: the lifetime of this drive though seems veeery short, so I need to decide on wtf
asciilifeform: however, diana_coman's unit boots, and initializes ssh , etc , but doesn't appear to actually listen on the port
asciilifeform: the sad boxen boot if stick is moved to usb2 jack. i currently suspect loose or contaminated contacts in usb3 ( it has additional pins towards the back )
asciilifeform: we've discovered some pretty odd things
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plz give ( or not ) permission to modify your rk filesystem to enable uart console ( /etc/inittab )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can you ssh to your rk nao ?
asciilifeform: one of the 'dead' sticks seems to read entirely ok in dulap
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plz pop into #p & watch for updates, we are in the process of eliminating other potential culprits
diana_coman: asciilifeform, can the disk be connected to the working rockchip itself so I rummage there? atm it seems it's only the very latest comments that'd be lost so I'm in 2 minds about it anyway
diana_coman: the lifetime of this drive though seems veeery short, so I need to decide on wtf ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is strictly optional
diana_coman: technically speaking I don't own any other box - they are leased by smg rather than by me and I'm not very keen on mixing the stuff tbh; I'll check the backups to see if there's anything worth the trouble still lost
asciilifeform: and why asciilifeform did not hurry to buy 9000 of these drives
asciilifeform: ( there are two spares on hand, for this event )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma ask BingoBoingo to plug this disk into one of your other boxes (plox to choose which one) so you can recover any state you had not a chance to back up; meanwhile you will be issued a spare .
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I can see the issues you raise, they are standing.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, no; and moreover as previously stated in between "it works" and "it doesn't work" I did not even connect to it!
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell diana_coman didja rebuild your rk kernel with no xhci ( usb3 ) ?
asciilifeform: i'd luvv to get an 0day out of this story, but i suspect culprit is more boring
mircea_popescu: lol did you contribute a few boxes to the internet's efforts to spam itslef ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: What worked for that was a power cycle, but...
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2018-09-11 09:31 diana_coman: good morning; I can't seem to be able to connect to my rockchip anymore: http (ossasepia.com) gives 403 You don't have permission to access / on this server ; ssh refuses connection too; there was NO change as far as I know - I haven't touched it in quite a while and last time I connected everything worked fine; any idea what might be wrong there, BingoBoingo ?
a111: Logged on 2018-09-11 15:37 lobbes: ftr, this was the -exact- issue I was having (403 errors on www, no ssh, but could ping fine. Whatever BingoBoingo did for me then worked like a charm though.) http://logs.bvulpes.com/pizarro?d=2018-9-11#427159 << >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-31#1846123