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asciilifeform: ninjashogun: what are you building, that you need a loan? airplane? particle accelerator?
mircea_popescu: it's been the ruin of an entire generation.
mircea_popescu: personally i blame the school system. this new idea whereby instead of beating them every time they fail to consult the dictionary upon encountering an unknown world they're encouraged to guess "based on context" what "it might mean"
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I would like to bootstrap a bit farther and need to make further milestones that have a nontrivial cost for me.
asciilifeform: and new one is to be to... ?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, because that was over a year ago, and that was to the company.
mircea_popescu: pLambert no, because kids know better than to read anything anyway
pLambert: mircea_popescu: do we need another trilema post about how things are supposed to work?
asciilifeform: if financed, then why ask?
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well, considering that the startup has already been financed to an extent, your statement is false. Something can't be unfinanceable if it has been financed.
asciilifeform: is the intended implication that... you don't intend to?
asciilifeform: you just have to... pay it back
mircea_popescu: nothing can be used to finance what you're doing you fuckwit you.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I don't think a bank loan can be used to finance what I'm doing. If it could there would be no need for angels in the world.
mircea_popescu: you misunderstand how things work to an amusing degree.
ninjashogun: likewise, the person that I basically actually have done all the legwork with, shared many forms of contact, etc, and agreed on basic terms - I also met online (different channel.)
asciilifeform: ninjashogun: perhaps you have mistaken the address. loan lives at bank.
ninjashogun: last week or w/e I also connected with people. Didn't find the right match. Different people could be in here now.
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun you think something magically changed since last week or w/e ?
mircea_popescu: at this rate we'll probably end up with a "no soliciting" rule.
ninjashogun: is anyone here interested in loans? (I'm trying to raisie one as part of bootstrapping my hardware startup)
mircea_popescu: yeah it was like "i'm shooting this pencilneck" "dude what the fuck do you care about some random us pencilneck. go to peru, build there."
mircea_popescu: no, you were not allowed to build houses that solid.
asciilifeform: let me guess. couldn't get a government-approved architect to sign off on it
mircea_popescu: ended up with a fucking bitter legal fight and eventually left the place with the idea that the us is a pre-modern shithole
mircea_popescu: romanian friends went to us, bought land, proceeded to build (proper) house ☟︎
asciilifeform: colleague of mine had to search for ages when buying a house where one was permitted to... plant an orchard.
mircea_popescu: yes, but in the roman empire land is actually owned.
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mircea_popescu: ;;google turn eiffel slobozia
asciilifeform: in anglo world, land isn't really owned, just borrowed from the crown - like in ussr.
mircea_popescu: you can build whatever the fuck you please as long as you own the land.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, yes we do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you have allodial titles where you live?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck asked anybody,. it's their fucking land.
dub: was thinking about putting something like this behind my place as a bar/bbq kitchen
mircea_popescu: The appeal by Megan Williams was dismissed because the 'benefits of the development did not outweigh the harm to the character and appearance of the countryside'.
ozbot: Couple lose fight to save 'hobbit house' eco-home from demolition - Wales Online
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so move to missouri. you can live in a beer can tower there
moiety: asciilifeform: there was a couple here built an amazing house and they had to tear it down becauseit didn't qualify
moiety: mircea_popescu: exactly! discovering containers aren't really 'up' though now XD
asciilifeform: where i live, it is forbidden to live in anything that is not a house, except in specially-designated leper colonies.
moiety: you qould buy it if you were to live in it though right
mircea_popescu: but plans to move up in the world
mircea_popescu: no, she curently rents a tea cozy
asciilifeform: earth + planks is the frame for the pour.
moiety: yes but to save having to bury it
asciilifeform: moiety: structural, rather than decorative
mircea_popescu: you can prolly buy scrap for the cost of metal.
moiety: asciilifeform: couldn't you sort of paint the inside iof it with cement?
mircea_popescu: pLambert the implied simply translates the fact that the earnigns and the price signals are averages and so... a guess.
pLambert: yeah, I know how to get PE, but what is a P/E implied value?
mircea_popescu: poor thermic and fonic insulation
mircea_popescu: moiety there are problems, such as due to lack of foundations.
moiety: i bet they don't look like that mircea_popescu
pLambert: mircea_popescu: in your statements you keep saying "The P/E implied value per share is so far 0 BTC." What is that going to say when you do have earnings? Do you have a PE value you will calculate an estimated price from?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` kids today.
mircea_popescu: moiety yeah well, the poor of india live in containers since the 50s
mircea_popescu: gfj4 is the current on the run (apr 2014)
mircea_popescu: ps : for the people not doing agrifutures : gf is the code prefix for feeder cattle.
moiety: yes you can mircea_popescu in fact, loads of them at once!
benkay`: china ships 'em over and then doesn't want them back.
pLambert: what is this, a bitbet not based on bitcoin? Absurd!
ozbot: Twitter / BBCBreaking: Russia test-fires ...
benkay`: BitcoinPropagand: austerity has neat type design, i just don't care about austerity at all.
mircea_popescu: it was way before your time
mircea_popescu: yeah no way that was last august
ThickAsThieves: word, the date threw me
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves back in 2012 i think ? kako had an insurance deal on which usagi's cpa paid out
mircea_popescu: teh gift that just keeps on givin'
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
benkay`: that thing where you have shares off the exchange
mircea_popescu: rather than pay 0.3xprofit to the 3mn shares outstanding
mircea_popescu: basically i paid the entire profit to the 3mn shares outstanding
mircea_popescu: benkay` no. to more.
benkay`: didn't you just pay to less than the nominal float?
mircea_popescu: as mpex won't let you pay for less than the records show, and you don't want to pay for more.
mircea_popescu: benkay` but in seriousness : the float in the div command allows 3rd parties to verify the float.
nubbins`: well, there is one way
mircea_popescu: im just slightly distraught that there's no way i can blame this on kakobrekla
FabianB_: i guess it's the only sane way to move it to next month
ThickAsThieves: better bet yes on altcoin market cap bet to cover losses
benkay`: it just introduces an opportunity to screw things up.
ThickAsThieves: no debt to pay!
mircea_popescu: we just don't use the same maths as the rest of you
FabianB_: heh, the bbet usual :)
mircea_popescu: benkay` mostly for this reason.
mircea_popescu: early dividends because the mp can't math.
benkay`: why does the div command even have a notional float?!
FabianB_: but i think it should be around 37 satoshi
mircea_popescu: a well, thanks for pointing out ><
mircea_popescu: Mar 04 11:24:30 <assbot>[MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 3.68215411 BTC to 3`000`000 shares, 122 satoshi per share
FabianB_: mircea_popescu: i have the feeling i got too much ;)
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 hard to say.
mircea_popescu: FabianB_ report published, dividend paid, was there a problem ?
mircea_popescu: what are we talking about ?
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: what do you think future revenues look like after the changes
benkay`: thinking they're running companies
benkay`: everyone's retarded and incapable of doing things
deadweasel: i exist, therefore rate me a positive 1