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moiety: erm just sites just now ninjashogun i
think i'll know what
to do more,
the more i learn XD
moiety: mircea_popescu: i
think you're right, goes in better
to see
things working rather
than a mass of info for me :)
mircea_popescu: the fact
that
the author eschewed
the 10% notation (which is like a symbol by now) for 1 in 10 is kind-of
telling
mircea_popescu: "10% of respondents will lie in any study" is
the adage of social sciences.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform
that's exactly 10%, which is why i quoted it.
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe you're not
the sort
that learns by books, but work better with examples.
moiety: mircea_popescu: javascript, html/css (obv) and i will go into php. i'm scared of
the contents page of
the python book
ozbot: 1 in 10 Americans
think HTML is an STD, study finds - latimes.com
ninjashogun: is
that a 38,625 BTC
transaction investing in s.mpoe?
mircea_popescu: time is
the essence
there. everything becomes public eventually.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, your style is 100% different from anything I've seen in my (albeit limited) interaction with business or investors. Your post quotes yourself, saying
that you would not announce something publically. You post your own IRC conversation
that you intend not
to be public :)
ozbot: S.MPOE
takes strategic investor pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've read more of your blogs. I'm curious about one
thing. Do you have any investor relationships? (On your financial or exchange site, or whatever it is.) Meaning, do you have external investors of any kind?
mircea_popescu: then
there's crystal space, which is a collection of
tools including networking and
tons of other stuff
mircea_popescu: nah,
there's cal3d, which is a gfx library mostly. open source.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller what are you up
to
these days anyway ?
thestringpuller: lol a lot Diablo 2 players with
they could
type with one hand
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure everyone here'd manage
to feed his children with or without me.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I've had private conversations
that were just fine. It's
true
that you disagree with my approach and have clout here, you certainly set
the
tone in here,
that's your right.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, well,
this does not match my impression of conversations off of
this channel. You seem
to be
the only one with a very strong view. I would humbly submit
that it is due
to your strong interest in one particular financial model. Of course if you start swearing at me people will dislike me.
mircea_popescu: actually, a better expression : over a short week, youv'e gone from some random scum nobody'd consider seriously
to someone
that everyone would make a point out of never doing any sort of business with. sort of from 0
to -100
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo -
trust models can't be programmatic, or
they will be games. For example someone will set up $10K just
to spend on interest as
they do hundreds of
transactions with
trusted members over a year -
the only goal being
to be given a $200K
transaction
that
they
then walk off with. You can't build
trust programmatically.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: People don't have a "WoT score"
they have personalize networks.
The score is
the least relevant part of a WoT
nubbins`: almost every regular has
tried
nubbins`: i'm not sure how best
to express
that nobody in
this channel will ever, ever give you what you're looking for
nubbins`: you're nothing if not
tenacious
ninjashogun: BingoBoingo - if you
trusted a stranger based on a WoT score and resolved a deal in a few minutes, you're very likely going
to be scammed one day. It
takes far longer
than a few minutes
to verify someone's identity
that you've never met.
BingoBoingo: The used real world contracts
to defraud, when
they should have implemented a strong
trust model
ninjashogun: yeah mircea_popescu, I just heard of an exchange
that might have just walked off with millions in deposits, because rather
than rely on real world contracts
to protect creditors (people who deposit) it just built an online
trust model.
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun: Well just
this afternoon someone supposed a deal, I
took and and
the
thing was resolved in minutes.
ninjashogun: nubbins`, why is it a benefit for you
that
that even exists? (For cases where
there is a real world identity behind both sides)
nubbins`: ninjashogun: consider
that you might as well be walking into banks asking for a loan and providing your WoT identity
mircea_popescu: ok, which one of you
trolls is impersonating satan over here ?
BingoBoingo: Those seem
to default more frequently
than properly structured IRC loans
though.
ninjashogun: I don't need 'any size loan' and we could look at
the budget breakdown
together as well - I would expect it
to be based on real world identities and paperwork, not IRC.
ninjashogun: sorry, nubbins`, just read
the backlog now. I was chatting with a couple of people sorry.
nubbins`: (do you
think flyers still get delivered
to
that particular box?)
nubbins`: not enough of
them in one spot for a queue
to be necessary
nubbins`: they're
trying
to phase out home delivery now, and move everyone
to neighbourhood "supermailboxes"
mircea_popescu: maybe if
the post office quit being a whore it'd actually not go bankrupt every 15 years.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless
the net worth, average expenditure etc of married women exceeds
that of prostitutes.
mircea_popescu: consider
the situation of prostitutes. while fucking random men for money is in fact more income
than your average married woman makes on a day by day basis, cash in hand basis
mircea_popescu: but if you gave it up suddenly
the post office wouldn't be floundering anymore.
mircea_popescu: perhaps i'm being silly, but i suspect
there's actually a hidden barb in
there. ie, superficially it seems
there's
too much money
to give in,
nubbins`: i'd be able
to
take
the "no flyers please" sign off my mailbox
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ideally
they stop delivering admail altogether.
nubbins`: guess
this means
the price of stamps is going up
nubbins`: interesting
that
they chose
that for a headline, rather
than "Canada Post now vetting and censoring addressed admail"
BingoBoingo: I've probably
talked mean
to him in
the past
BingoBoingo: Maybe Usagi's Eternal bond can buy into
the gambling loan from hell.
BingoBoingo: If only Betbet allowed bets open longer
than a Year, "Roger Ver
to fall under 1 BTC in holding by 2020"
BingoBoingo: The problem with
that loan structure known is it is easy
to compile hypothetical losing bets after
the fact
mircea_popescu: at least
that guy had a decent whine about noisy laptops and naked wives in eastern russia
mircea_popescu: and
to
top it all off, i actually
took
the
time
to point out
to him
the previous beggar
that ended up here drug in by
the openbsd story
BingoBoingo: Want
to borrow, 5-10 BTC for gambling.
Three month
term, will return principle + 10% or list of losing bets << Is
this questionable and scammy enough, I also ams not auth'd
☟︎ pLambert: getting a BTC loan is easy ... paying it back is
the hard part!
mircea_popescu: pLambert we've not even come
to
the part where he's
taking a BTC denominated loan.
pLambert: oh, wait,
these
things are recorded?
mircea_popescu: you've chosen your road, you're
too good
to do what you're supposed
to do, go do it somewhere else.
mircea_popescu: you have
to be incredibly fucking retarded
to go "hey guise, i don't give a shit about you bye"
mircea_popescu: "Feb 25 08:13:06 <ninjashogun>guys I've received some suggestions
to "lurk" and "read logs" here, which I wouldn't really have
time
to do. It was nice meeting you all
though and I may be back as
the project progresses. Overall I don't
think I will be spending a
ton of
time building WoT, advisors, etc - as I have real-world references for
the moment
that I would expect anyone
to consutl."
pLambert: I don't understand, why would you
take a personal loan
to finance your business instead of having your business get
the loan it needs?
jborkl: that is where
those
type of loans reside
jborkl: you would be better off going
to
the lending subsection on bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: anyway,
taking ideas on how exactly one manages
to help
the dunning-kruger crowd of entrepreneurs.
ninjashogun: which is why I wuold not raise external money for it - it is a small amount I would use as a bridge loan. But your
thinking is correct, asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: god forbid anyone ever
tells you when you're an idiot.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, because
the hip
thing
to do is
to come here each week and not wot, and
then ask mp
to
tone it down a bit
mircea_popescu: but i mean, at all.
to an absolute modicum of minimal function.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, I'd ask you
to
tone it down a bit.
ninjashogun: to myself, as a personal loan. I would like
to do it
this way because
the company has become much more valuable, has assigned IP assets, etc. It doesn't make sense
to raise a small amount of company by
the company.