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ninjashogun: dear God just closing tabs and saw the slashdot link. What have they done?? http://beta.slashdot.org/story/197077
benkay`: girl's wearing too much.
ninjashogun: benkay`, the guy in the biker shorts for you, eh? :)
mircea_popescu: i never emigrated. i travelled plenty tho.
ninjashogun: and did you stay there or emigrate?
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, are you one of the richest Romanians by valuation (net worth) or were you around peak BTC price?
ninjashogun: I'm an American but have some background from Eastern Europe. I always wondered about the animosity between some of those countries - and the friendship between the others.
mircea_popescu: i don't hate them as a brazilian either.
ninjashogun: just saw romance-language like words that I didn't understand on your blog. (I do speak some French, Italian, Spanish so knew it wasn't those)
ninjashogun: I didn't realize you're Romanian either. I thought you were Brazilian :) (I don't speak either portuguese or Romanian)
BingoBoingo: Have to keep the Herd of Vaxen healthy
ninjashogun: so, thanks for saving openbsd, mircea_popescu.
mircea_popescu: like any good tool, it can be used by people as smart or as dumb they may happen to be.
mircea_popescu: the great advantage of the irc is its splendid flexibility.
BingoBoingo: Which links to http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/
mircea_popescu: perhaps not as similar as all that.
ninjashogun: well, not "valuation" just what I thought of this channel. By the way this is called 'saliency bias'.
ozbot: Romanian Bitcoin Entrepreneur Steps In To Pay OpenBSD Shortfall - Slashdot
ninjashogun: I guess basically I wasn't taking these projects as "seriously" as other parts of the startup ecosystem. But perhaps it's true that "silicon valley has a lot to learn from bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: anyway. the arduous task of reading -assets logs / lurking is at least offset by it being... interesting.
ninjashogun: It's totally different from the ecosystem I knew before. Also, the fact that you post logs and do a lot via IRC. That surprised me a great deal.
ninjashogun: yes, I agree with you. I was just surprised to learn this!
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, sorry, I don't know the details. I just see that you're active on IRC and was just going by how you talk and participate. You also have a lot of time here.
mircea_popescu: i can take an investor on any terms i want in 2013, seeing how i'm already valued at a billion, with him or without him.
benkay`: of course, asking for a thing from someone in the WoT without having your own identity is a bit el oh el, but whatever and airplanes etc.
ninjashogun: Instead he got 30K btc as an investment, valuing his thing at one point around $1B. This is just totally different from what I was expecting.
benkay`: ask your counterparty to sign a declaration they'll not publish records of your conversation
ninjashogun: For example I thought mirceau completely bootstrapped his thing, had no investors of any kind, since he doesn't deal with them the way startups I've seen do.
ninjashogun: benkay` I am making the time, because it is important. I'm also surprised by some of what I have learned about bitcoin-assets.
benkay`: anyways ninjashogun if you want privacy on IRC this is what you do
mircea_popescu: benkay` as per the earlier linked tlp article, narcissus got hooked by entity not returning his love.
benkay`: ninjashogun weren't you just derping about not having time to derp in irc?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You mean you don't run that bot on your nick?
benkay`: general heading of "shit this firm is not touching with a nine-meter pole"
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun sheep have no privacy, nor crabs nor birds. privacy is a construct of the human mind, and it is built upon identity. which you don't currently have.
asciilifeform: for all he knows, user with handle 'asciilifeform' is not alive at all, but only a bot that spews all PM'd crap out into #bitcoin-assets an hour later.
benkay`: asciilifeform your chumpatron essay came up at lunch today
asciilifeform: spammer wants to talk to one chump at a time
mircea_popescu: the philosophical problem would be that privacy is impossible without identity
benkay`: ninjashogun: there's no minimum IQ required for participating on the internet.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I will say that I am glad I was on guard with you. Anyone who builds anything has to manage building it with talking about it.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I considered that a private conversation.
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves i made a deal with him before he went all mental, whats the issue? he paid. at least what we agreed on the end.
BingoBoingo wonder how long it takes to catch with ninjashogun on that BingoBoingo did not merely link the linking article, but wrote it
mircea_popescu: so what's wrong with clicking the link ?
ninjashogun: mirceau - could I have a copy of http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/ please? It was linked from this interesting http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/01/how-silicon-valley-could-learn-to-bitcoin-part1/ that BingoBoingo linked me.
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever read it
asciilifeform: good overview of the extant zoo of chatbots and shannonizers
mircea_popescu is looking to buy bot hosting nao
asciilifeform: 'Artificial Intelligence and Literary Creativity: Inside the Mind of BRUTUS, a Storytelling Machine', Bringsjord & Ferrucci
mircea_popescu: anyway, you're right, it was parry that was the souped up eliza
asciilifeform: if i recall, ractor was meant to write stories
moiety: mircea_popescu: he doesn't need a country, he needs to advise the world: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/01/everyone_goes_crazy_in_differe.html
asciilifeform: PARRY: I beat up the bookie who did not pay off, and I thought he might use his friends in the underworld to get even with me
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What does that suggest to you?
asciilifeform: ELIZA: What makes you think I know anything about bookies?
asciilifeform: PARRY: I went to the races.
mircea_popescu: it was ractor tho
asciilifeform: eliza (for the uninitiated - robo-shrink)
mircea_popescu: wasn't it the schizzo ?
ozbot: Eliza and Parry: When the machines talked to each other
asciilifeform: to my shame i admit that the part with echo and narcissus reminded me of the fellow who had Eliza and Ractor talk to each other.
mircea_popescu: i read them and feel roughly on par with a good session of reading the torah
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: his subjects will read the tales, and, having understood well, will seppuku from remorse (in a hidden place, so as to perform the act non-narcissistically.)
moiety: felt like forwarding several things to doctors from my last hospital
moiety: honesty and reality amongst psychiatrists in this manner is rare, love the way he talks
moiety: oh i love this blog. i was on there for ages other day after you linked it mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: this guy's too good, for srs.
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Second Story Of Echo And Narcissus
mircea_popescu: i threatened my bank's clerk with having her write me one penny cashier checques for a few hundred lei coupla weeks back
nubbins`: if it was 3 they'd round it to 5
mircea_popescu: what if they had sent him 2cent cheque ?
nubbins`: they don't even make pennies anymore. if you cashed that at a bank, you wouldn't get anything.
moiety: omg insult to injury or what
mircea_popescu: lmao they said that ?!
ninjashogun: “I extend the apologies of … everyone in the government to his mother. And we thank this individual for the service that he gave his country,” he said, "and are saddened by this grave error. The check was never meant to go out. Mrs. Stark, please accept our sincerest apologies - and by all means, keep the penny."
mircea_popescu: i imagine the costs of "making sure this never happens again" will be happily borne by everyone then
nubbins`: two and a half years after your son kills himself, the government sends him a cheque for a fuckin penny
nubbins`: also brutal that some scumbag politicians used it as an excuse to blast the government in the house of commons
asciilifeform: from the lulzfarm: http://cryptome.org/2014/03/ukraine-national-socialism.htm
Namworld: I need to borrow auroracoins
moiety: you just gave me the answer!
asciilifeform: don't let the capital letters fool you - there is nothing peculiar about the basic
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, yeah I was just thinking how close that basic looks to Perl. Leaevs you with the same impression :)
mircea_popescu: didn't mike_c translate it to js just to pester me ?
ninjashogun: okay, I'll bite. What does sp and sk and k1 stand for? I'll assume p1 and p2 are two...points...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a wait, this is the source for the markov chain predictor innit
asciilifeform: it is far older than i.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, wtf - did you write that basic code?
mircea_popescu: well this is true
moiety: i'll try this!
asciilifeform: problems have to be interesting
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever saw basic look so close to lisp anyway
mircea_popescu: you are possibly the worst pedagogue i have ever seen.
asciilifeform: translate http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/GD.BAS to modern programming language of your choice
asciilifeform: easier project, for complete beginner, then
mircea_popescu: moiety you ever managed to compile bitcoin or any altcoin from source ?
asciilifeform: use conventional bitcoind (and litecoind, or whatever the other side of the trades is)
ninjashogun: Chapter 1) <h1>Hello</h2> Chapter 2) p {color:black;text-align:center;} Chapter 3) alert("I am an alert box!"); Chapter 4) Putting it all together: Opening your own online exchange
asciilifeform: (guaranteed not to behave perversely 'under load', no web crap)