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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit << number crunching - existed. even if you're not involved with it, realize that it was original purpose of computer. it matters.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to. << What happened was Microsoft's "Let's mimic the Auto Industries idea of the Model Year" won even if MS could not execute on it
mircea_popescu: people didn't use to upgrade worth a shit not even a decade ago, when all the incentives were alligned for them to.
BingoBoingo: If I sound grumpy, it is only because I have come across too many idiots of the "it can't be done" persuasion lately, the kind of managers who have an aquarium in their office because fifteen brains think better than one.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's a fine theory an' all, but i don't see it.
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't do worse than you, that's a prime signal that you're insane.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it sucks you don't update << and lose the contract to the fellow who isn't trying to fold protein on 486.
mircea_popescu: you don't HAVE TO update anything, and if it sucks you don't update.
mircea_popescu: i don't see you got too far.
undata: asciilifeform: oh I don't know, the others don't look particularly hospitable
mircea_popescu: so... if what you do is a good idea, this sort of problem can't possibly exists.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically you're running your own metal which you don't want to colo because you figure it's actually cheaper in your own house sort of thing ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as i said afore, " you'd have to be insane to use rented hardware oyu manage yourself. either colo your own metal or else have the fucking dc handle it if you don't give a shit"
mircea_popescu: now suppose the major cost of the icecream truck wasn't icecream, but... windshield wiper.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you haven't even heard the rest of the fun. at my other job, also stuck with maximally modern hw. because how many floating point ops per second determines, more or less directly, how we're paid.
mircea_popescu: poettering should be good news for you then - soon enough you won't need an emulator at all.)
mircea_popescu: you can't just boot up say a vm for it on a remote server ?
mircea_popescu: im not sure why you want to run 2014 hw at all. but whatever, maybe i don't do enough hi res porn conversion on a laptop to care ?
mircea_popescu: it's not like simply ignoring pottering forces one to any sort of anything. so you run 2005 linux on 2010 hardware. you probably don't want the modern crapolade for any serious purpose anyway,
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm missing something here, but, why do you think you can't run "max" whatever they are on older debians ?
asciilifeform: jurov: he also doesn't strictly have to leave home. or do work.
mircea_popescu: i can't even be bothered to count all the ways that's stupid. wtf.
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck takes any electronics from their job is so stupid shouldn't get to live anyway.
mircea_popescu: uh. if you have servers you'd have to be insane to use rented hardware oyu manage yourself. either colo your own metal or else have the fucking dc handle it if you don't give a shit.
asciilifeform: who cares about recent distros << recent distros - maybe no one. recent kernels - quite a few folks doomed to grunt on recent hardware. who don't have the muscles, time, or energy to vivisect the patches.
mircea_popescu: but i suppose putting more steam behind openbsd can't hurt.
mircea_popescu: dude don't tell me the forum muppetry actually fucks itself to memorialize being fucked.
mircea_popescu: yeah, this i true in the reverse. bloggers that write for someone else aren't much more than buskers.
BingoBoingo: jurov: what's with the submissions to qntra containing lengthy documents verbatim? << lengthy documents go into blockquotes, don't get counted
mircea_popescu: guy's talented like all fuck isn't he.
nubbins`: but the thing is, they don't give a fuck that there's grant money being given away; they care that it's being given to a band called holy fuck
nubbins`: jurov this is a problem, people get all hissy when someone gets a grant for something they personally don't like
nubbins`: well ya know. it doesn't make a good xmas gift with one either.
mike_c: doesn't make a good xmas gift without a denomination
mircea_popescu: it had its political importance at the time, these aren;'t really remembered today, but at some point i had to go into fucking something awful forums and argue with the idiots as to why bitcoin actualy is valuable.
adlai: "For an extra .25BTC ..." < what's the point of getting the damn thing if you don't get the extras
mircea_popescu: wait, the original wankers don't like wanking anymore ?
mircea_popescu: what is it under i don't even recall, like a % ?
artifexd: At least it hasn't lost 90% of its value
mircea_popescu: kinda impossible for that clause to affect you at all if price doesn't go under 250.
mircea_popescu: well i don't know the future for sure, as it happens. just kinda close.
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem too likely atm.
mircea_popescu: price isn't going under 250 anytime soon, so.
mircea_popescu: listen, make complete sentences, i can't follow what you're saying.
mike_c: don't tap on the fish tank.
ben_vulpes: +nubbins`:i've got some neat physical bitcoins, some strange bullion pieces, etc << don't forget newspapers lol
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> oh, nevermind. those are minimums. you can't be closer than that, but have no responsibility to be particularly close? << well not stated as obligations, but generally it's his job to get close.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> dang did you guys really crap out over 1000 lines while i was sleeping? << we didn't crap them bish. now eat up!
mircea_popescu: won't be shorter than a few hours conceivably.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> you don't like the 15th 12:00 GMT, you want to change it, no? << nah he just wants a shorter break. than ONE WEEK. which he gets.
BingoBoingo: Well, they aren't getting "theirs" anyway so might as well for the charity of it.
mike_c: oh, nevermind. those are minimums. you can't be closer than that, but have no responsibility to be particularly close?
mike_c: or am i confused and you don't offer liquidity for sellers?
xanthyos: if i connected from my home ip i'd cloak. i don't notice a lag at all from the ssh session
jurov: xanthyos if ssh doen't have noticeable lag it should not be ddos
xanthyos: you can think of all numbers as having +bi but if b = 0 it doesn't matter
jurov: you don't like the 15th 12:00 GMT, you want to change it, no?
adlai: the impression I get from lurking around here is that there aren't concrete plans for another profit center, but if one arose, it would be welcomed
artifexd: And there hasn't been much talk of MPIF lately. I'm in an information vacuum, so to speak.
adlai: aha, shouldn't http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2014#772915 be mentioned in the FAQ? ☝︎
assbot: Logged on 13-10-2014 03:31:14; asciilifeform: and that a circus weight-lifter isn't the least bit strong, because perhaps my arse muscle is stronger yet than his biceps
asciilifeform: we don't have a 'science of intelligence' any more than medicine has a 'science of health'
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i don't call this a science.
adlai: bricklisp simply doesn't detract from the intelligence of whoever is using it, like "rubber duck debugging"
mircea_popescu: problem is i can build a machine with zero crosstalk and i won't have built an ai.
mircea_popescu: but i don't see anything in it past that.
mircea_popescu: adlai ah, this isn't an argument against such stuff. sure, reaction time is even a good proxy for things you may care about,
mircea_popescu: a pseudoscience isn't that endeavour lcking principles,
asciilifeform: they don't define it, normally. but they deduced a statistical item, called 'G', which is the overall correlation between the various tests in use
mircea_popescu: i don't see it's controversial at all.
asciilifeform: they won't cross-publish to 'big, mainstream' journals. have own ghetto.
asciilifeform: 'can't train' as in, you could, idea being, take it every morning, and get a useful result re: your mental state on that day
asciilifeform: that is, a mechanized intelligence test that the victim 'can't train for'
asciilifeform: mactardism is a very visual field. it doesn't account much for function << complicated. apple corp. is still running on fumes from a gigantic tank of back-when-everything-else-was-a-joke in a number of palpable ways. see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
mircea_popescu: don't tell me it's giving different numbers to diff people.
badon: That's why I wasn't getting anything.
mircea_popescu: "europeans" didn't exist in 1000.
badon: They don't call it a dark age for nothing.
nubbins`: for fear it won't fetch going rates
badon: nubbins`: Collectors need something interesting. Mass-production commercialization isn't very interesting.
badon: The started out by "colorizing" with really crapping printing techniques. People thought they were ugly, and didn't buy them. Today, the ugly ones are more valuable than the pretty ones because they're rarer.
nubbins`: tbh the cmyk-printed coins don't look great up-close
mircea_popescu: i can't believe half the fucking log is keyboards. you people are nuts you know that ?
mircea_popescu: i can't ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: well you can't use fiat
mircea_popescu: i won't buy something high tech today that has no use, because guess what ? time flows against it.
nubbins`: "don't crowd me, 4:19!"
nubbins`: what, you don't have to hold time?
badon: nubbins`: Yeah, but they aren't all there is. The lunars are the original flagship series of the China mint. The pandas were minted for foreigners.
mircea_popescu: i still don't see why some coins nobody gives a shit about would be intrinsically valuable.
mircea_popescu: i don't pay for krugerands, and those at least are historically relevant.
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't pay above the metal for any of them either.
nubbins`: badon i can't promise anything (very busy month) but if it's there, i'm more likely to poke at it
badon: I know next to nothing about physical Bitcoins, and honestly, I don't have the time to become an expert in them.
nubbins`: badon i don't have much time to lead projects, but like i said, spotcoins is pretty much the definitive resource
mircea_popescu: gernika: What aggravates me more and more recently is the claim that mac products are well designed, when in fact they will destroy your hands. << mactardism is a very visual field. it doesn't account much for function.
nubbins`: get set up with gribble, why don't ya
badon: The CC isn't really a search engine. I guess you could call it something like a correlation engine.
badon: People come up with new stuff I hadn't thought of.
badon: The CC does things that I don't even know it's doing.