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trinque: a teenager can do the right thing.
asciilifeform: i'ma subscriber to 'by their fruits shall know them'(tm) algo
mircea_popescu: i happily ignored "tech" in that decade, or most of it anyway.
asciilifeform: i'll confess, did not actively follow his human output. all i saw was the kernel-dbus folx etc banging unsuccessfully at the kernel door for ~decade
mircea_popescu: i r suspect alf is the more disappointed among us. not that i hold that against him.
trinque: this is a teenaged thing
trinque: asciilifeform: torvalds might not have been so cranky if he wasn't stuck in LOOK AT ME, I'M A MAN NOW mode for 20yrs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in this sense the more famous judas held out for 30 yrs.
asciilifeform: trinque: kid is one thing; d00d held out for, what, 20yrs
mircea_popescu: i don't see the contagion angle. sexual fetishes are a matter of fashion, to some degree, but not properly speaking epidemic.
trinque: reminds me of seeing same when some overtly gay kid would go to the front of the church to get fondled by church elders and convert
trinque: he's offering up the asshole to spite father, like so many emo kids before him, to join the church of pantsuit
mircea_popescu: i suppose "express", as in "genotype expresses in fenotype". though honestly, the more direct sexual reference is deeply adequate. this is a sexual matter, not genetic nor immunological nor etc.
asciilifeform: what was the virological term, when latent carrier begins to show symptoms
mircea_popescu: or turning out, as in the classical pimping term.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 08:05 ave1: In other news, some lulzy drama underway in the Linux kernel camp; https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/CA+55aFy+Hv9O5citAawS+mVZO+ywCKd9NQ2wxUmGsz9ZJzqgJQ@mail.gmail.com/
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850713 << imma start calling this "coming out" ☝︎
diana_coman: ave1, I adapted my udp test from http://ossasepia.com/2018/09/14/smgcomms-implementation-chapter-1/#selection-159.0-159.2325 to use your suckits and it works!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Aite, you should recieve that in the next 24-36 hours
asciilifeform: ( apparently takes only 3d to get to orcistan nao.. )
deedbot: http://bimbo.club/?p=14 << Bimbo.Club - TMSR Log Summary - 9/06/2018
mod6: After looking at the post that I just made a bit more carefully, I'm gonna have to repost. The HTMLifier hosed up the spacing and columns.
BingoBoingo: Turns out transitions are a bitch, contrary to Craig Kate Woods propaganda
mod6: I ended up having to go through the assets and liabilities tables like 2x.
mod6: Thanks deedbot. TMSR~: The Pizarro August report is finally out, thanks for your patience with me for getting this completed.
mircea_popescu: yes, but much easier to remedy that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually very similar to nao -- d00d who spend childhood cleaning chicken shit instead of on horseback, was not lord material
lobbesbot: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !Q later tell PeterL http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3GLik/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: in short -- "good news", after a fashion : everyone's fucked, and their children will absolutely never see the light of day.
mircea_popescu: good fucking luck with this new paradigm however. how, just FUCKING HOW ?!
mircea_popescu: pturile. ca alt rezultat, am sezut doua ceasuri de-am recitit ce mizerii am scris acum sase luni, le-am rescris, si... mnoa, triplat eficienta."
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, historical aristocracy did not enjoy quite as deep or strict cleavage from the peons. yes your count would be "brave" where your peasanrt would be "cowardly", but this is very fucking little when compared to "in alte stiri umoristice, prostalaii astia cu fetlife si-or angajat uameni si-or schimbat saitu', pen'ca li se parea lor cam nedrept ca de ce fac io ce vreau pe-acolo. ca rezultat, mi-or murit tate scri
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the way i understand it, there's a set of folx with souls, and another, larger, set of meatpuppets with soul-emulator in ms 'excel'. and no, can't bridge gap, how would this even go.
mircea_popescu: there's just about no perspective which is both consistent and describes a reduction of this gap.
mircea_popescu: in any case, what we do on ~regular basis is already "unthinkable" for the alt-professional (in the http://trilema.com/2013/a-very-unfair-perspective/#selection-41.0-41.828 sense of "alt") crowd, from http://trilema.com/2012/law-enforcement-never-fails-to-unintentionally-entertain/#selection-129.0-129.992 imperial dragoons to the http://trilema.com/2015/what-amused-me-today/ "independent mind" schmucks.
asciilifeform: possibly suffers the delusion where 'they'll beg to have me back' or somesuch.
asciilifeform: d00d tired of cleaning monkey shit, handed temple over to the monkeys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but once one ~is there~, one is there. there's no more missing out, just stick to it.
mircea_popescu: "electrolytes have the pepsi that plants need"
asciilifeform: hey, plenty of folx manage to 'miss engineering' (e.g. by playing with 'feelings' as child instead of junkyard)
mircea_popescu: in another decade or two, it'll be strictly impossible for the various pantsuit churchlets to do ~anything. they're rapidly losing all technical ability, and so... i mean i already can take my pick of bdsm-ish chicks in "north america -- the best country in the world". in another coupla decades, boy howdy.
mircea_popescu: in strict professional terms, this is the sort of boon nobody could have even fucking hoped for, as a child. it's one thing to "miss out on bitcoin" because bought food instead of bitcoin in 2012. it is however a substantially different thing to miss out on engineering -- harder to fucking do.
asciilifeform: this -- is coming to an end.
asciilifeform: d00d successfully kept out the reaching tentacles (poettering's 'kernel dbus', etc)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: linus's kernel was the last remaining 'open sores' item that was 'usable from upstream' afaik. ☟︎
asciilifeform: the practical consequence will be 'aah you have iron that wasn't around in sept 2018? go and backport and come back to us with vpatch'
mircea_popescu: the path to argentina is well understood and better documented.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suspect it'll be a whole openssl/libressl bla bla fizzle and pop there too.
asciilifeform: i suspect the time to snapshot and pour cement, trb style, approaches.
asciilifeform has not yet had occasion to try this
asciilifeform: for the rare exception, ada standard actually gives the tools to bake a custom heap that uses specified storage and allocation algos, bypassing the os derpery entirely
asciilifeform: ( and in fact this was sop in the aerospace/avionics world, until recently 'went microshit' )
asciilifeform: re heaps, it is asciilifeform's current pov that it is possible (contrary to popular delusion) to write virtually any nontrivial proggy, entirely heaplessly
mircea_popescu: nfi where i picked up the idea, but not borne by facts.
mircea_popescu: aha! turns out i misspoke.
asciilifeform: ( and memset is used to clear a range )
asciilifeform: there's no way to get out of memset()/memcpy() or equiv, tho ( and yes a sane iron would give it as an iron primitive )
mircea_popescu: now i gotta read the memcpy reference, isn't it basically a wrapper on malloc ?
mircea_popescu: whether fucked with in any sense, allocate memory, deallocate memory, it's all one thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in my mind, all memory handling operations are part of the gc.
mircea_popescu: ave1 Aggregates << for the record, i think this whole thing is stupid, in the camel-nose-under-tent sense. array-aggregate-operation should not draw in the gc apparatus (in its memcpy portions, whatever).
asciilifeform: whole unix socket thing was ~always a massive ball of ???
mircea_popescu: also, there's html5 socks now too!
asciilifeform: ( ~all i got is make_socket, get_packet, send_packet , that's it. )
mircea_popescu: but yes, the procedure is pretty much the sole mother, "when in doubt, simplify"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this was re sorting blog bits in categories.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'defined' is the item that differs in asciilifeform's, in fact. i dispensed with ~90% of the knobs simply by going 'sockets are udp, that's it'. no tcpism, i.e. no accept() and the associated streamolade, no unix sockets with their weird, etc.
mircea_popescu: more than half the categories on trilema didn't get any articles in a year+, if this isn't a sign of utter and complete breakdown...
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 10:09 ave1: now for the well-defined part, this I will have to work on...
mircea_popescu: but in strict terms, the utility is that it forces the above dilemma, inescapably. this is substantially what beating even is, the only proper definition thereof.
mircea_popescu: kinda the fucking point. if that were an option -- beating wouldn't be a thing. at least not for me.
mircea_popescu: tis not of the flesh to stay put.
mircea_popescu: the latter thereby signal they need more beatings.
mircea_popescu: there's two kinds of girls in the dungeon, when it comes to beatings. there's more than two kinds in pretty much all other context, but here just two : those who move into the blow, and those who move to escape it.
asciilifeform: plox to expand?
asciilifeform: not under this name
mircea_popescu: are you familiar with the resistence heuristic ?
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform at least posted snippets of various incomplete strange , over the yrs )
mircea_popescu: if they don't happen to same, that is as far as anyone knows, sheer coincidence. because in not having said, you lost on being able to know.
asciilifeform: i'ma disagree that '~same' , but this will only be possible to explain once mine's posted. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: anyway -- fuck 'em, i deeply fucking care some nobody-on-a-stick meanwhile joined the churchgoing group. whatever. but in matters of actual interest : you "were working" on an ada networking socking thing ; ave "was working" on ~same. had diana_coman not said "here's what ~~~I AM ABOUT TO DO~~~", we would have never known. if the wastefulness of this approach isn't directly obvious...
asciilifeform: i suspect that the designated replacement-torvalds, in all of its 'black chix coad' glory, is already being groomed
asciilifeform: the funny part is that it won't save him any moar than it saved the 1937 folx.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, it's just... i'm fucking scandalised. junior high "taking over the world" what the fuck is wrong with all these idiots. what, "let's all manalone while the children reconstruct the world in their image", what the fuck already.
mircea_popescu: it is ~they~ who fail to understand human emotions ; and predfctably attempt to replace the actual complexity of human emotions with a 1-2-3 cliffnote constructed out of their own stunted half-brain. why actual humans would permit this sham is beyond fucking comprehension, and an outrage outright.
asciilifeform: i half-suspect that it was written 'for' him.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: torvalds's thing reads like the zinoviev&kamenev 'confessions' ☟︎
mircea_popescu: understanding emotions eminently does not map, or much relate, to the validation of stupid old cunt's "feelings".
mircea_popescu: ps. there's a FUCKING DIFFERENCE between "my lifetime of not understanding emotions" and what's happening there. "understanding" emotion is not of the ilk of the pantsuit "you have to understand" aka http://trilema.com/2017/mimi-metallurgico-ferito-nellonore/#footnote_0_75893
asciilifeform: eventually either he or asciilifeform will substitute in the necessary asms, and then can build proggy sans linux etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must disagree that ave1 duplicated the effort -- his item is foundation for a fyootoor raw-irons gnat, imho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: torvalds danced in the noose longer than most, is all i can add
a111: Logged on 2018-09-17 11:42 ave1: diana_coman, code is here; http://ave1.org/code/suckit/, everything is pretty much in flux still (even then name could change, currently ip addresses are in network order but ports are in native order)
asciilifeform: ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-17#1850727 << neat idea, and in keeping with the libc-removal . for some reason feels 'heavy', tho, but i am resisting the temptation to try an' figure out why atm, i am in the process of wrapping up my own ( conventional ) sockets thing for release today ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform boys that "magically"/"inexplicably"/etc "do not seem to be able to find" #trilema generally (and "who could have predicted!!!"-predictably) come out with some kind of "since the world is entirely composed of the stupid cunts crowding over at the stupid cunt hut, it then follows i must wear pantyhose and lipstic now"
asciilifeform: sad, but i expected sooner rather than later. showed symptoms.
asciilifeform: oh hey loox like torvalds finally gone zombie ?
mircea_popescu: say "i will x" rather than "for the past n weeks i had been x" whenever at all feasible. for one thing, it'll get you more people, cuz ima redirect those trying to same x. for another thing, it'll give you something to look at, of your own. "here's what i said i was gonna do." yay or nay, it's absolutely better to have than to not have.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean "it is against group interest". i mean it from a very personal perspective, not using this is like not using fridges, or CAT scanners. YOU miss out. your own life is shittier than it need had been, on your deathbed you'll look at less of a life than it might've been. there's just no point to run the race eyes closed, none whatever.