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deadweasel: i wait for
them
to fucking beg me
to explain it
ninjashogun: deadweasel - okay. So what happens when YOU explain bitcoin
to a newbie?
deadweasel: ninjashogun:
the mental hurdles people put up for
themselves are far higher
than
the small mental hurdles you have bounded
to understand it.
ninjashogun: Normal users, for reasons we can appreciate, would
then proceed
to buy bitcoins if
they had something
they wanted
to buy in bitcoins. (And only
then.)
This is currency working as it should.
deadweasel: Cardono,
TM, secures your btc and burns your jews, automatically!
ninjashogun: That would be
the normal answer
to
the question you just stated....
ThickAsThieves: this is also why i find
those BigFoot bitcoin brochures so out of
touch
ninjashogun: deadweasel - what's wrong with
the answer
to your question "explain a bitcoin
to a a newbie and
then convince
them
to buy some" - bitcoin is just a currency like euros or pounds, except you don't need
to involve banks, it works more like cash. If you want
to buy something in pounds (let's say you visit London) you get some pounds at an exchange (using dollars). if you want
to buy something using bitcoins, you get some bi
moiety: well done for managing
this far deadweasel
FabianB: i sell euro if i want rmb
to get around in china
deadweasel: ninjashogun, i seem
to have lost you completely. but i know one
thing,
the last
time I
thought I had some insight on bitcoin I asked everyone here.
turns out i was wrong.
ninjashogun: so as soon as people starting
talking about "Buying
things with bitcoin"
then it's pretty obvious how it works.
moiety: I'm struggling with weighing up
the frustration:lulz in relation
to
the ignore function
ThickAsThieves: it's much more akin
to your onlin banking username and password
ninjashogun: deadweasel, so if you were
to say, "I bought $100 with my bicycle" it would - as you point out - sound like incoherent ramblings. It should be written, "I SOLD my bike for $100".
mircea_popescu: the jury in my head is out on
the entire
topic of bitcoin-backed ccs
ThickAsThieves: in
this way i
think it's unwise
to use normal cash wallets as
the intro
to noobs
ninjashogun: deadweasel, sorry I wasn't clear enough.
The difficulty with 'buying' a currency is
that people don't
think of 'buying' a dollar, or euro, or pound. It's a difficult concept for most people. People
think of using currency, not buying it.
mircea_popescu: turns out you can rent hotel rooms w/o credit cards just fine. provided you wear a suit and your gangster roll is larger
than
the receptionists' penis
deadweasel: honestly, i can't follow your ramblings at present, ninjashogun, how could you possibly explain it
to a newbie?
FabianB: andd germany is still more cash
than credit cards as well
ninjashogun: deadweasel, it doesn't make much sense
to say "I bought $100 with my used bike." It feels wrong. But it's accurate.
ThickAsThieves: mp, but for
the
things you use cash for, would you ever use bitcoin instead?
mircea_popescu: did in
the us, also. never had a problem with it, contrary
to what people say
ninjashogun: deadweasel,
the major hurdle is
that people who don't do forex don't normally
talk of 'buying' currency.
That's
the only hurdle. Specifically:
FabianB: mircea_popescu: but probably
true for jp, korea and china, more or less
ninjashogun: deadweasel - I
think i have some insight on
this.
FabianB: mircea_popescu:
that was a personal statement, not country statistics
deadweasel: ninjashogun, explain a bitcoin
to a a newbie and
then convince
them
to buy some.
bitcoinpete: ;;later
tell benkay
thanks for
the inspiration!
ninjashogun: unless
there is some inherent conceptual hurdle
that people can't understand.
ThickAsThieves: common man also cant figure out
to not open exe files from
their email
ninjashogun: I would very humbly suggest
that in
the long
term it might be.
ninjashogun: ThickAsThieves, but why such a strong statement above? "bitcoin really isnt for
the masses"
ninjashogun: So we've identified
two differences (1)
transactions are final (2)
there is a history of
transactions somewhere. Is
there anything else
that would be a conceptual hurdle for everyone using bitcoin?
ninjashogun: But
this is
true with a wallet as well. When you hand someone cash you don't expect
to be able
to unhand
them
that cash.
ninjashogun: ThickAsThieves, I'm not sure why bitcoin can't be for
the masses. A wallet is an extremely close analogy with a physical wallet.
The only major difference is
the history. Isn't it?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I guess I had a different market in mind, not
the
true bottom
third of
the Pyramid of society.
ThickAsThieves: i
told her i wouldnt sell
to
them because
theyd still need a wallet anyway
ninjashogun: asciilifeform,
thank you for
that link. I actually completely agree with it.
mircea_popescu: paypal is not a website, and
the government is not some
twerps.
ThickAsThieves: last night a couple asked me
the easiest way
to buy bitcoin, I said Coinbase, you just need
to enter your checking account info, and
the wife was all, I'm not putting my checking account info in some website!
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, so if someone were
to create something idiots could (actually) use
then it would be (for
them) as
thought only it existed. Apple often does
this and practically claims competing
technology doesn't even exist.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, so for
their purposes, it might as well not exist. For example, for
the purposes of most people in
the world, bitcoin doesn't actually exist (theyu can't buy it at a western union currency exchange, or know how
to install software for it.)
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I've always heard
that if you make
things for idiots, you will always have a huge market, since most people don't use most
technologies.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, link
to "see mp's piece on why it is unwise
to become embroiled in
the making of products for idiots." ??
This is about
the opposite of what I've always heard.
ninjashogun: benderp, sorry!! I was very interested in your response, just a bit delayed. I'm doing a few different
things.
benderp: asciilifeform: link
the goats again!
moiety: remember
the alfa concept
they just produced one of for
the boss
moiety: bahaha and *theres*
the connection!
thestringpuller: asciilifeform do you believe
there is a hardware hole in most mobile devices?
moiety: lol "inspired by a
turtles skeleton" -- i have *always*
thought of beautiful cars when viewing
turtles
benderp: ninjashogun: if you can't be bothered
to respond
to private conversations
that you start, I don't see why I should arse myself
to respond
to your PMs.
ThickAsThieves: old school art deco did offer many intricate work
too yknow
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, ok. I'm not saying you'd need
to pursue it. Just like I'm not saying you should build a shiny gui on a Unix utility and sell it
to mac users for $49.
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, I was just
thinking how mircea's current insights would imply
that
that is what you could actually sell
to dumb users for a huge markup (e.g. $199), since
they know what a leather wallet is and know
that bitcoins are money. and
that's it.
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ninjashogun: asciilifeform, okay. I was
talking about
that USB
thing
that escrows your private key. I know you only said it was about private keys - but most users don't know what
that is.
moiety: ThickAsThieves: i
think you might be right but i feel only at a
trinket level?
ninjashogun: asciilifeform, wouldn't your embedded device be used at some point as an offline wallet
that you can connect?