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asciilifeform: diana_coman: a stolen logbot could be used to piss some garbage unto the chan while folx sleep, but that's more or less the max damage
diana_coman: after all, it's a logger, not something terribly sensitive
asciilifeform: (or only worx b/c asciilifeform has a particular ancient gentoo by happenstance)
asciilifeform: i dun recall hearing any serious barf. ( and i think somebody still has a trb noad there )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i've been thinking of getting a box in same ru place mircea_popescu once used
asciilifeform: there's an infamous legend from '80s from some comp center where a vt100 was found to be mysteriously defective, no one could log in. electricals found to be 100% proper, no one could say why. until someone noticed that the table it sat on was too low, and folx ended up ~looking at keys~ instead of keying 'blind'. and 2 letters were swapped...
diana_coman: funnily enough re driving I had the precise opposite trouble: had to trust a bit more *some*O!!
diana_coman: but fwiw I think I know what you mean; the "gut instinct" is not a generally-good thing; it's good at what it's good and doesn't translate well to dissimilar environment basically
asciilifeform: there's a set of 'think instead of reflex' that folx learn when start to drive auto, also
diana_coman: but because of that, I know precisely what it took - a very lucid learning, let's say; not "intuitive", no
asciilifeform: possibly memory of how learned bicycle as a child also worx
diana_coman: asciilifeform: sadly I never shot guns, no; (shot some bow and arrow but other than that, kills were of a more lower class countryside style rather than lord of the mannor)
asciilifeform: ( the other bit, is that vestibular 'stone' aint anyffin like a perfect gyro, it has substantial 'stickiness' )
diana_coman: ugh; I still call it misnomer though; "growing" like a tree without any internal work still doesn't mean that everyone's just as hollow
mircea_popescu: telling a girl she's complete is like telling a pig it's a sparrow.
mircea_popescu: load, load, why not. perfectly anti-reality nonsense, crafted to appeal to a certain sort of moron.
mircea_popescu: much like what makes a half decent soldier, or generally a half decent human being,
asciilifeform: diana_coman: picked it up when wrote phuctor, in 2013, 'on drumskin' in literally a day
mircea_popescu: a: they both had this projected faint light line around the cockpit representing the true horizon. set so faint as to disappear in direct vision, it nevertheless informed the (more sensitive) peripheral vision, preventing accidents wonderfully!
asciilifeform: diana_coman: 'flask' is the py people's equiv. of 'hunchentoot'. eats the @app.route('/log/<chan>/<date>') etc sugars , does the 'html madlibs' thing on the 'templates' (a la 'cl-who') etc
snsabot: Logged on 2018-08-29 12:10:45 mircea_popescu: pro tip : the thompson's a passible concrete cutter. it comes from the same mental era as http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=warthog ; made by the same people for the same reasons, abandoned by the same cucks for the same reasons.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927117 << amusingly, the sr was built entirely out of titanium exfiltrated from a remarkably cluess soviet union (large portion of the "private companies" in the afore-mentioned germany-switzerland ***trade was this) ; nobody else had the rutile sands.
mircea_popescu: s sit in a circle and pick lice out of each other" is tooling.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, re the sr being expensive : it was not particularly expensive, even by the day's standards. it was however besed by the dumb cunt lobby who, for instance, WOULD NOT permit it get upgraded with a data link, SPECIFOCALLY so they could claim "useless -- data only avsilable on landing"
mircea_popescu: theirs is a pov which MUST BE REPRESSED.
mircea_popescu: obviously from THEIR pov if there isn't any such thing as a spear to fucking poke them until they submit (yes, the SPEAR was the original society-changer, turned human tribes from matriarchy to patriarchy because finally there was an efficient way to make the dumb cunts stfu with their dumb nonsense) all the better ; but theirs isn't a legitimate pov.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:02:39 mp_en_viaje: 3) the whole of it was always hanging out with the cool people. i don't mean, "cool", as in, swag. i mean cool as in david lynch quote above, dork bought a 12 room house for $3500 in th worst gangland he could find for his wife and newborn kid and lived there, "the fear was palpable"
asciilifeform: last letter from him was years ago, he moved to a http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926670 , asked advice re choice of shotgun
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, cheney's stupid cunt of a daughter inherited his wyoming ealrdom.
asciilifeform: iirc it was axed as a 'lisp machine', cost like 100 ordinary jets. and they thought 'world's most golden toilet', the time of f35 , that ate ~three decades~ in promisetronic phase and now flying clothes iron... had not come yet
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-10#1927087 << at one time i had a framed portrait (gift) hanging on wall. 1 of most beautiful machines ever built.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: of pastes and txt links , phf-style, is planned. of general html liquishit, a la arch.is -- not planned, it is serious open problem
mircea_popescu: apache is in many parts a better system (in the sense of "system" used in "systems design) than the post-poettering and especially post-linus kernels ; mod_lisp may be a decent way to get lisp running in practice
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i'm quite happy with jfw 's "Actually "mod_lisp" is perhaps a misnomer; it could be viewed as a generic IPC interface that comes with a Lisp implementation of the server side." comment.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, here's a logger webpage weird : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log correctly displays no future date,
mircea_popescu: 'find out how a loose assemblage of rare metal parts flew on insecticide', how about that for a title.
mircea_popescu: sonic flight) that its fucking tanks leaked fuel on takeoff ~as a design feature~.
mircea_popescu: there was, of course, no supersonic civil flight since the concorde/tu144 retirements, so i suppose we could use 1970s as a high water mark. but if anyone's having kids these days, i believe by the time they're our age their only interaction with flight will be in the hanging-on-ropes format.
mircea_popescu: in simple words, the F35 failure is bringing about a winter the likes of which was never seen ; previous achievement of lisp monkeys nowhere within 1%
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:37:33 spyked: mircea_popescu, re. tmsr lang: could be one of two or three (or I dunno how many) langs, as long as tmsr owns 'em. atm there's no genesis for a cl compiler/interpreter (let alone e.g. networking code a la usocket, or a curl etc.), so... inb4 "fuck you spyked, I can't even compile sbcl, how do you want me to stand up your logotron"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926728 << revisiting this mega-q : i've considered to bake a tmsr ~forth~ (general-purpose, rather than peh) . has the theoretical appeal that it could be bootstrapped 'M'-style, in asm. but could i convince anyone to program in it !
BingoBoingo: The idea that a school's particular program of study necessarily leads to a job in that field is far more intact in Latino land than it has been in the US.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:58:21 mp_en_viaje: this is utterly fucking false, of course. the telegraph doesn't get in a month the daily readership of trilema. but i think the ~pervasiveness~ of the antiquated, and mistaken, worldview may rub off on people.
BingoBoingo: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926659 << Related question I receive here is "What did you go to school for to do what you do?" I answer "Bibliotecas." "What does that have to do with what you do?" "Well, a bit, but mostly I just stumbled into a dragon's den shortly after school during one of those historical paradigm shifts and haven't been ate yet.
BingoBoingo: Fuck that cornell MFA site is a shitter
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, kinda lulzy, jules-verne level understanding of world around. manalone in a surprising style, bereft of even basic education.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in fucking amusing cornell UGC, http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/physics/134-physics/general-physics/mechanics/829-why-can-t-a-plane-fly-slowly-and-let-the-earth-pass-underneath-beginner
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926885 << ichecked, barely 12k words ? NOT EVEN A FULL BALZAC NOVEL.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:33:52 phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926224 << perhaps quarter dead, but days go to going to hospital for daily wounds dressing, sleeping a lot and going for walks, i have another sugery on monday to close me up.
mircea_popescu: you seriously suspect deedbot's automated process made a mistake for him ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:45:56 spyked: also, I guess there's also the fact that despite all its problems, there's a pile of CL code (e.g. hunchentoot, cl-irc) that works... very similarly to how wordpress does the job, despite its size and other warts. maybe Ada could also find similar pieces of code for Ada, but tbh I haven't looked... yet?
mircea_popescu: bvt will have to believe this was also a ro piece years ago
asciilifeform once saw a rare photoreportage of ru army hq and on what gear runs. 100% telex, made in ddr. )
asciilifeform: bvt: it's a headache that'll be around for good long time, hence worth to discuss
asciilifeform: problem isn't 'no way to expose', they're perfectly exposed, e.g. 'M' uses 100% raw syscalls for all i/o . problem is the fundamentally ill-conceived abstraction, where you don't ~only~ have the stream, but also a barely-known and large set of possible out-of-band eggog conditions
asciilifeform: my 'udp' lib was orig. gonna be a 'udp and tcp' lib. but very quickly realized...
asciilifeform: ( what does a 0-length read mean in re a stream ? )
asciilifeform: but it would not be a single evening's, or , i suspect, even single year's, weight of work.
asciilifeform: nao, a general-purpose strings-and-streams-munging script lang ~might~ be worth implementing in ada.
asciilifeform: this is the 'flip side of the medal' -- sometimes the given abstractions are not a good fit for $problem. picture e.g. attempt to ffa in commonlisp, where you'd have to bend over backwards to make sure you ~never~ cons
asciilifeform: but i strongly suspect that 'ada logtron' will consist mostly of non-humanreadable hex constants , and the pg glue will be eating null-termed c strings , and generally the result will not be a thing you 'would fly in it? i wouldn't walk under it!'(tm)(r)(h. hughes)
bvt: i don't think there is a way out of treating utf8ism as raw bytes, other than finding a heathen library
asciilifeform: and would not even be able to "<a>" + whatever + "</a>" etc, i.e. can't use the existing sugar for string constants at all
bvt: re logotron with arbitrary number of messages - can't you send data in a loop? otherwise the problem touches all levels of net stack -- can't have arbitrary sized packets either
asciilifeform: i suppose it is theoretically possible to calculate upper bound... irc msg is only N chars max; and if full of nuffin but <a></a><a>...... but who can do this and guarantee no mistake ?
bvt: asciilifeform: you make a chain (linked list of buffers with content), pass it's head to kernel
asciilifeform: bvt: how do i throw into a tcp socket a formatted fetch of log, consisting of unknown length of "<a ... " + blah + "</a>" etc, w/out string munging ?
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926433 << you don't actually need to concatenate anything as long as writev(3) is there. whether any gnat lib uses it -- dunno. at least nginx does use it (http://archive.is/QKjvD#selection-2735.36-2861.26), and imo this is a correct approach to the problem -- let kernel do the copying, if it needs to
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/08/diy-if-you-want-a-gun-you-can-print-it-guru-cody-wilson-pleas-and-enters-sex-offender-registry/ << Qntra -- DIY "If You Want A Gun You Can Print It" Guru Cody Wilson Pleas And Enters "Sex" Offender Registry
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:09 phf: there's no need to znc, the entire archive of logs is available here: http://btcbase.org/log-raw/ with 2016-03.txt being the last kako file. the only outlier is tmsr-logs-apr2012-oct2013.txt which is the dump mircea_popescu gave me of the prehistoric logs, which i have a custom reader for.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:17 phf: btcbase will continue running the way it has been so far, and i will continue putting vpatches into patches at least until there's a replacement
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926776 << i can't speak for erryone, but, in case wasn't clear, asciilifeform spends HOUR+ (and sometimes several h) erry single day of the week reading coad at btcbase/patches ! it is quite essential tool , fully 20-30% boost of brain to asciilifeform . that being said, would be imho a++ if you found how to make it eat patches/sigs through a www-based hopper, like jurov's earlier it
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 08:34:02 phf: asciilifeform: i'll genesis you the logger in the next two weeks. i'd rather you not waste time on it though. the design predates castles, so making it multichannel might be excessive amount of work. it's idiosyncratic, a product of the conversations from four years ago. your current approach seems a lot more solid.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:52:12 spyked: my sense so far is that they (initially?) designed it to be a beast similar to Apache, rather than running behind it. it does multi-threading so it should be able to handle high loads pretty well. so if, say, I snipped the multi-threading bits out, I'd perhaps cut the code in half.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926736 << threading seems like a luxury until you discover that some operation is in fact blocking in whatever case, or when you find that you want to meaningfully recover from crash, etc
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:39:17 spyked: ah. yeah, not sure there's such a thing. as asciilifeform pointed out, cl seems to handle string'isms better... and as mircea_popescu pointed out, cl doing tcpisms is not much different from python
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926731 << not quite. if snsabot were a cl proggy, i would not need to restart it and lose connection to do knob turn.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:19:59 mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i noticed it too, takes a coupla secs for a longer page.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:13:06 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926690 << i suspect there may be fundamental reasons for which there simply can't be such a thing as "a tmsr lang"
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926712 << it is entirely possible to have sane ~back end~ on which you, e.g., write in a lisp-flavoured skin when mangling trees, and a fortran-flavoured skin when want to run in constant space/time with fine control of flow; the bolix people -- had. in fact, arguably all machines have (presently piss-poor) incarnation of this concept, it is... the machine arch itself.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:45:56 spyked: also, I guess there's also the fact that despite all its problems, there's a pile of CL code (e.g. hunchentoot, cl-irc) that works... very similarly to how wordpress does the job, despite its size and other warts. maybe Ada could also find similar pieces of code for Ada, but tbh I haven't looked... yet?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 04:01:43 mp_en_viaje: 2) i never made money, i always made power. the money was coincidental. i never made all the money there was to make or could. nor did i ever give much of a shit, i'm utterly not constructive, a world of nothing but mp will burn down.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926667 << 'Мы на горе всем буржуям Мировой пожар раздуем!'(tm)(r)(a. blok) . sometimes exactly what is needed, is flamethrower. can't speak for others, but this is what asciilifeform orig found appealing about mircea_popescu . there's no shortage of what needs burnin'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: whole story of how asciilifeform ended up with peh , if you recall, at one pt asciilifeform wanted to bake a battery-powered 'gpg replacement'. then went and saw what gpg actually consisted of, and found that not only koch liquishit, but broken on ~algo~ level
diana_coman: I still need to run tests and timings re "fast" but as a principle, it's not the first requirement (rsa is not for speed anyway)
asciilifeform: diana_coman: one painful way in which ic fab differs from softwarisms is that failure is ~very~ expensive. buggy proggy you can throw away, you lost a day or however long it took to write. buggy ic is a coupla 100k (usabux) in the hole.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-30 20:41:34 asciilifeform: last yr ( and before ) i talked to a coupla ic fabs, in various countries. they all not only run winshit but demand that you use their 'standard cells', which available (surprise?) under nda
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926645 << if were actually 'cheap', already would have baked. possibly i did not explain the subj properly. mips is 'cheap' in terms of ~time~ , it is a classic and very compact design with existing compiler support. but to bake physical asic (on practical scale, rather than 'here's 5 dies that maybe-work for 5k ea. and we hope you know how to solder gold wire under microscope' -- re
snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-18 21:34:14 asciilifeform: reluctant to move www to piz, it's a fairly high traffic item, possibly adds up to half a trilema's (complete with regular ddosism)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 03:21:27 mp_en_viaje: (idea is, you !!v a buncha times and safely decrypt, then store the otps use as needed. this was discussed years ago, it's good cuz it don't expose the keys on bot's iron)
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926567 << in practice asciilifeform will work with anyone who has hands growing from the right organ; but the folx mircea_popescu described are more likely to end up in #a, i suspect indeed
asciilifeform: incidentally this is yet another weakness of pythonism. the utf8 support is a voodoo incantation and does whothefuckknows what.
PeterL: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926544 << what I was pointing at ^, bot did not read. Is there a reason btcbase and nosuchlabs logs do not cut the day at the same point?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 05:32:19 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926566 << "After pressing you will need to run npm install from the project directory in order to pull down just under 100mb of depshits in order for this to work." top keks. left you a comment, too.
billymg: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926726 << thanks for looking, i'm about to leave town for a few days but will try to respond on my blog over the weekend
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-09 00:44:50 thimbronion: BingoBoingo: I can't decrypt the invoice - it is encrypted to a key I don't have.
lobbes: But I'll still make a vpatch after this znc-eating work once I'm done. Should not take long anyways, so why not
lobbes: In my case, the cost of the iron getting popped and my bots losing their private keys did not seem high (really, I'd just make a new bot key and sign it from mine). Still, as I said, probably not ideal, especially when spyked already has the proper otp solution published.
lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926600 << not in my mind; already on my iron. Like I said, it isn't an ideal system (there is a thread somewhere already on this), but both of my bots have their respective (dundundun) private keys sitting on the iron. I issue a command and the bots go and do the decrypting.
lobbes: phf: the znc eater, if I am corrent in understanding, is for backfilling the other castle logs (#a, #o, #e, etc.)