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mircea_popescu: well... he's practical minded enough
to perhaps not waste your effort.
lobbes: However, after
that I wouldn't mind
the idea of 'apprenticing' under
trinque on cuntoo related
things. I could use
the education
to be honest, and I know he needs hands
lobbes is aiming
to get
the mp-wp bot fix out by
tonight.
Then needs
to get
the auctionbot in better shape.
mircea_popescu: anyways, eventually we'll get a
troop out of new kids ready and able
to actually do useful & meaningful shit in computer science, and whatever,
the failure of one particular generation won't look
that much more remarkable
than
the string it's part of.
trinque: i.e.
the *source* vpatches will actually be human-sized
trinque: the busybox item is interesting because I have some hope of actually eating
the
thing.
trinque: mircea_popescu: nor I, certainly not what I'm doing.
these distros are just... quite large
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, you're in absolutely no position
to do any of
this wtf. aren't you supposed
to first find yourself a job ?
BingoBoingo: But
this also depends on me getting Cuntoo built.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Provided I get it running
this
time I'll at a minimum
try
to get up
to XFCE. I'll make and rate a BingoCuntooExperimenal key for
the purpose of something.
mircea_popescu: the sort who save
themselves "for later", well... i dunno what
they're for.
mircea_popescu: ie, contemplated os ownership is a matter of pure committment. what
the world is looking for,
today as in
the days of
the venerable bede, and
then as
the first day, is people.
the sort who commit.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'd be pretty stoked if somebody found
the hole for new ebuilds and cut a vpatch of some useful items
mircea_popescu: the client ? ideally it'll be everything ; but in practice we'll
take what we get.
BingoBoingo: trinque: If I do get a Cuntoo running
this weekend, you can expect me
to submit Cuntoo-ified versions of my desktop work
tools at
the speed I port
them. Everything I depend on seems
to have already been ported
to musl based linux distributions. I can't promise doing
this fast, but it can be something
that would help make a noob-cuntoo image down
the line.
trinque: yeah, it depends on whether you want
the item
to be a
technical exemplar or an outreach mechanism, or something else
mircea_popescu: indeed why bother make it anything in particular,
the market standards are so low... runescape runs in a java environment
that crashes 3
times an hour. steam is fucked beyond your wildest dreams. nothing works in gaming, it's a joke,
there's no competition in any sense.
mircea_popescu: now as
to
the client,
that's a larger ball of yarn. if i have no serious static goal
to contemplate, ima nix decrufting effort, because why bother make it static.
mircea_popescu: i can see baking it on protocuntoo ; with a view
to moving it
to cuntoo, ~if cuntoo is a
thing~. if it isn't... no view.
mircea_popescu: the server i'm not so desperately concerned about, because
that gets baked once and is good for half a decade or more. diana_coman reported she has a running item, so
that's... okay.
trinque: but I'm sure you mean
to standardize
the client
too
mircea_popescu: trinque, userland, as for client ? or as for server ?
these are distinct concerns for s.mg
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, stock'll have
to be
taken, we can't just pretend lalala and keep sending people
to do impossible
things.
trinque: these, I'd
think, would run in a very simple userland
trinque: then I apologize for
that part.
mircea_popescu: trinque, i absolutely don't want you
to pretend
to be 20.
trinque: and you have fewer men
than you'd like, and I'm not going
to pretend
to be 20, and
then cry when I fail at it.
that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about
two orders of magnitude less
twine and shit
than "standard linux distro"
mircea_popescu: paying for
the sins of historical
tolerance-driven complacency, without a foundation
to foment
the environment
there's no people
to fill
the gaps, etcetera.
mircea_popescu: then again, without an isp our efforts are just as unsustainable on
the other end of
the scale, i'm not discovering some sorta novelty here.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless,
the os portion remains a major hole in
the whole architecture, because w/o os ownership pretty much all our efforts are unsustainable.
BingoBoingo: This weekend I plan
to set aside a solid block of
time
to give Cuntoo a fair
try, but I am not in any position
to claim ownership over anything like an OS. I suspect I'll be more successful
than
the last
time I
tried for having unloaded a huge ball of insanity outta my head in
the interim.
billymg: mircea_popescu: yup,
the plan remains, january will be
the
time
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-23 13:40:36 mp_en_viaje: for as long as your mentality stays "amateur dabbler in
tmsr", i stay uninterested.
mircea_popescu: there's
still zero interest in whatever flavour of
the day bullshit, "liferaft" or w/e halfassery is
to be called
this week, "software as is" whatevers.
mircea_popescu: which is actually what i'll do, i don't perceive
the value of waiting on products while people get
their shit in order.
mircea_popescu: if you don't want
to do so, my options are either
to
try and promote someone else, or else drop
the whole pretense and simply use
the latest whatever
the fuck it is.
mircea_popescu: since you're
the ~only one here in a position
to claim ownership of something like an os, i want
to know if you want
to do so.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 21:18:49
trinque: I don't
think it'd be wise at all
to
try
to own something with 900mb of dependency source.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 21:00:07 billymg: at
the moment i don't have
the necessary
time
to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy
to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward
to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped
the fence
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 21:00:07 billymg: at
the moment i don't have
the necessary
time
to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy
to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward
to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped
the fence
BingoBoingo: The local market
to buy
that one is deeper for
the branding
than
the market is for
the supermicros despite
the supermicros being better servers
BingoBoingo: For
the value of
the dell badge, I will however make an earnest effort o sell
the mod6/TBF server in
the local market as a sorta prop
that can go into a sufficiently deep wifi rack.
BingoBoingo: The reason
to place myself as buyer of last resort is
to pre-empt later objections
that X item located at
the ass end of
the world has a concrete value. If it did
the objector had
the chance
to bid.
trinque: unless you actually want
the
thing. I don't need
the coin.
trinque: nah man, I don't want you
to do
that.
BingoBoingo: When I walk later I'll weigh what I'll stake of my own coin as
the buyer of last resort on it.
BingoBoingo: Your chassis is a bit heavier and deeper
than
the dulap machines, but it also has
the guts of
two machines inside.
trinque: cool, if I own
those just lmk what shipping costs. I'll gpg a destination
BingoBoingo: If you would like, I can auction your chassis on
the same basis I'm auctioning
the Pizarro servers.
BingoBoingo: trinque: When alf was here we put one in each hemisphere. It seems you did buy
two, but
the notes from
the period
the
transaction happened are a clusterfuck.
trinque: BingoBoingo: as for liquidating my stuff, I wouldn't mind getting a FG or
two out of
the deal if it can be swung
BingoBoingo: trinque: Are you still inclined
to completely write of your server and FUCKGOATS, or do you want me
to
try
to recover some value from it for you and get you a pair of FUCKGOATS. I don't need an answer immediately, but would prefer one by Monday.
trinque: and if anyone considers
the current cuntoo
too low-level
to be useful,
they're not going
to feel much differently about classical gentoo.
the barriers
to entry are
the same in both cases.
trinque: I don't
think it'd be wise at all
to
try
to own something with 900mb of dependency source.
trinque: I don't
think it should be considered anything more
than a liferaft
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 11:37:43 mircea_popescu: and you verified you can actually deploy
this proto cuntoo on various hw, so we're good here : as
to 1, smg will use proto-cutnoo until can switch
to cuntoo ; and meanwhile ima see what
trinque has
to say re cuntoo and
try
to get bvt
to patch against it and so on
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-31 23:46:29 mod6:
trinque: not yet. is your wallet stuff back up?
billymg: at
the moment i don't have
the necessary
time
to be fully involved so for now i'm just happy
to see diana_coman and her pages chipping away at it. but i'm very much looking forward
to getting back into it once i've successfully jumped
the fence
billymg: i'm very much liking
the
testing framework and am glad i was encouraged
to set
that up. i now definitely want
to finish writing
the
tests before working on any additional features/trimming
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 12:39:33 mircea_popescu: billymg, what's
the mp-wp story, did i miss some updates ?
BingoBoingo: I've made it clear
to
the lawyers I rather don't expect
they are solvent enough
to collect anything when I win a suit. I'm more inclined
to pass a bulletproof fraud denuncia
to
the Fiscalia and let
them sort it out.
mircea_popescu: in fact,
that alone's a sufficient winning strategy :
tagging stupidity with as much cost as at all possible's all
that's really needed.
mircea_popescu: there's some definite value in making it uncomfortably unpleasant for idiots
to continue being idiotic,
that's for sure.
BingoBoingo: *met with.
They've apparently spent much. I've spent little.
The outcome is not yet clear, but
the outcome space is very narrow with clear forked paths. None of
these paths presents a danger
to my continued presence in Uruguay if
that's what
the future wants me
to do.
BingoBoingo: Also
their lawyer now isn't
their lawyer I apparently mean with
BingoBoingo: The mircea_popescu method works far better
than what I could have done on my own.
Thank you.
BingoBoingo: In other news,
the legal sitation on
the ground here appears
to be nearing resolution.
BingoBoingo: Proposed Pizarro auctions will be published in a few hours with
the aim of firing off auction opening commands Friday. Auction opening prices will be done with
the reserve as
the coin I, personally, am willing
to pay for ownership of
the auctioned items and lots of items.
BingoBoingo: DC lists, other opportunities
to apprentice myself into a career, etc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, besides, you'll have some full
time work in actually going
through dc lists etc.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm working on a plan for #agriculturalsupremacy as a castle, but its still
too raw
to present as a default option on
the level of what diana_coman and hanbot can offer.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no, I
thought it was just not online.
diana_coman: cool; I'll get around
to pop ossabot into #hanbot
too
then
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you mean
the blog, bimbo.club ? nicoleci runs
that
mircea_popescu: ima just change
the current "Nov 04 09:50:24 -ChanServ- [#trilema]
To speak here you must be voiced by one of
the lords.
Talk
to asciilifeform , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , hanbot or
trinque about it."
to a "see #ossasepia or #hanbot" and call it good
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: ah, I
thought she already had hers but mainly aimed at a different demographic?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, not
that she shouldn'
t be in
there or anything ; but
there's #hanbot, might as well make
two of
these seeing how yours seems
to work
diana_coman: she anyway covers better
than me some areas
diana_coman: I'd be very happy
to have hanbot
there for sure
hanbot: mircea_popescu i browse, but haven't strictly "kept up". i can spend a day or
two getting
there
tho', what's up?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, rather, im
thinking a backup #o might be a good idea.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I'm still here if
there's some q re #o you want me
to answer
mircea_popescu: an'
that leaves of
the human hands ave1 an' mocky
thoroughly unaccounted for.
mircea_popescu: hanbot, you up
to date on diana_coman 's castle logs ?