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asciilifeform: #!s provably fair
asciilifeform: ( and problematic in other ways -- not even shy about using 'whitening' for instance. )
asciilifeform: and cheapest i know of, is north of 20,000 usd per
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: there are commercial rng that use interferometer, yes ( NONE of them auditable by owner, in fact many epoxied and otherwise artificially painful to examine )
asciilifeform: 'We submitted extensive information about our random number generator (RNG) to an independent organization. We asked this trusted resource to perform an in-depth analysis of the randomness of the output of the RNG, and its implementation in the shuffling of the cards on our platform.' ☟︎
asciilifeform: which contains not only no proof of anything, but not even an assertion re what exactly they supposedly use
asciilifeform: all i found was this http://www.gaminglabs.com/extranetGLI/cmsAdmin/getsplash.asp?i=190
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: where can i find out re pokerstars rng ?
asciilifeform: sorta what the toyota example is about.
asciilifeform: whereas if you get from asciilifeform strictly, it's just that one P.
asciilifeform: for that matter, maybe ~asciilifeform~ does. but you have to ~add~ P(one) to P(the other)...
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i haven't any notion, maybe he runs them near his particle accelerator's beamline, wat.
asciilifeform: !!help
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: once you get a pgp key, consider registering with deedbot
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what do you expect from toyota when you go to them instead of used dealer ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i don't know specifically what.
asciilifeform: though i've thought about suggesting to mircea_popescu to offer hand-delivery ( chore would fall to asciilifeform... ) as an option. but i dun like nonflat prices ☟︎
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: all fg should be assumed to pass through ftmeade. sorta what the audit process is for, neh.
asciilifeform: so if mircea_popescu is paying ben_vulpes 10 dubloons per diem to guard his plutonium stash, it does not follow that this is 'above market' just because there is a queue of redditors offering to do it for 1 dubloon
asciilifeform: if you think you see somebody willingly paying 'more than market price', consider that you might be mistaken re the identity of what he's paying for
asciilifeform: sorta like that thread where asciilifeform mentioned that he'd buy a 10,000$ comp. but not same comp he has , hopefully ! but ~a~ comp
asciilifeform: wasn't obvious
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: there's nuffin wrong with folx reselling fg, or using it for fly fishing, or balloon ballast, whatever
asciilifeform: !!up Barbarossa_
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ?
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: np. i recommend to stay tuned until mircea_popescu wakesup
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: see also http://qntra.net/2016/08/rng-whitening-bug-weakened-all-versions-of-gpg
asciilifeform: !#s fly eyes
asciilifeform: enemy agent.
asciilifeform: !#s koch
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: worse, built by
asciilifeform: !#s fits in head
asciilifeform: the main failure is that it does not :
asciilifeform: not so much from philanthropy, as from the fact of gpg being rather like the sarcophagus at chernobyl, times 9000
asciilifeform: a replacement is in the works here.
asciilifeform: aha.
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: in the process of prototyping that one, we found that gpg is a turd
asciilifeform: ( when you get one, and verify in various ways )
asciilifeform: and plz do consider posting a link here, when you have.
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: see some linked examples ( near top of page , near the schems ) of other folx who verified.
asciilifeform: ( but it won't be cheap. )
asciilifeform: this left johnson noise; and natural radioactivity + scintillation detector. the latter may appear in a future snsa product.
asciilifeform: so no geigers, no reversebiased diodes.
asciilifeform: ( which in turn works its way into the output, no matter what you do )
asciilifeform: also rejected all effects which require high voltages, because voltagemultipliers contain oscillator
asciilifeform: ( sampling artifact )
asciilifeform: and they all suffer from the equivalent of lcd moire
asciilifeform: because there is NO such thing as a zero-artifact adc.
asciilifeform: i rejected all physical effects which require an adc
asciilifeform: i experimented with many types of rng.
asciilifeform: correct
asciilifeform: because of adc artifacts.
asciilifeform: analogue effects in practice suck for proper rng
asciilifeform: the problem with that method, as with many others, is the ~measurement~ apparatus
asciilifeform: ( and many other nice things )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is co-author of fg.
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: you should definitely stick around until mircea_popescu wakes up
asciilifeform: i expect a pokerist would have something to say re rng, aha
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: consider introducing yourself ? who are you ? already own a fg ?
asciilifeform: why ty Barbarossa_
asciilifeform: and specify 'no thx i only want 1 box'
asciilifeform: you're welcome to send in 3x the btc !
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: waiwat -- you'd pay 3x, but not the current price ?!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the answer lies -- megasurprise -- in the broadcasts.
asciilifeform: does this make sense ?
asciilifeform: it does 0 good to earn back something other than the btc that was spent. because snsa operates in btc.
asciilifeform: btc earned back. not -- pointedly -- usd, or dubloons, or grain.
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: to shed more light on (entirely not seekrit) price structure -- to pay for producing a device, btc is spent. then it gotta be earned back.
asciilifeform: however, the difference b/w what ~that~ costs, and what we charge, is denominated in btc.
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: technically you can get it for exactly what it costs us -- make it yerself from the schematics
asciilifeform: 'time flows at 1 second per second ' (tm)(r)
asciilifeform: so what variance
asciilifeform: 1 btc is worth 1 btc today -- just as in 2009
asciilifeform: why it strange, and usd -- not ?
asciilifeform: because why.
asciilifeform: there are no plans to peg the price, however, to a fixed quantity of usd, or troy of gold, or pounds of grain, or any other babylonian metric.,
asciilifeform: and yes there was recently a price cut
asciilifeform: Barbarossa_: btc has been at alltimehigh maybe 4 days out of 5 for past 6 months neh
asciilifeform: !!up Barbarossa_
asciilifeform: is trinque familiar with 'eternity' and earlier attempts at perma-dht 133337w4r3ztronics ?
asciilifeform: aite
asciilifeform: sure.
asciilifeform: ah trinque you meant the incaism of dns etc
asciilifeform: lol!
asciilifeform: 'hey trinque, what's your gurl's favourite colour?' '19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25....'
asciilifeform: *anything which looked like
asciilifeform: ( the www people simply pissed on the problem, african-style, and didn't even pretend to solve ) ☟︎
asciilifeform: incidentally ted nelson struggled with this conundrum, and imho his failure to produce anything looked like a solution, is 1 of the reasons why he was relegated to 'voice in wilderness' rather than getting to define www
asciilifeform: i promise to read.
asciilifeform: more pedantic -- the merrier
asciilifeform: ( sorta like my http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2017-February/000257.html item , for instance )
asciilifeform: trinque: might i persuade you to write the algo out ? in longhand
asciilifeform: just like http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/DC02BECF037180105CA079586B51212366B61A8CD3BB5992FD2F90CF9FC7D6C5 , a d00d whose key is unbroken, the page can have potentially very different output the ~next~ time you read it
asciilifeform: just same as with the phuctor example
asciilifeform: the only meaningful way to represent it is by listing the input operands which produced it ( in this case, the fp arg )
asciilifeform: trinque: the thing behind that url is ephemeral by nature.
asciilifeform: but tomorrow could be something else, if the ratings change
asciilifeform: consider, for sake of argument, curl http://wot.deedbot.org/29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1.html | sha512sum today gives me 19a66977545747f383eccd6f570270a77cd620aa011651c94e777992ee63b08a30052eff4045e672c2387ebfbd18509e5c29a1a247fadcfebf3828dc02789b25
asciilifeform: is it a locative ? or an immutable ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: q is re what a 'url' ( or what we call it instead ) really ~is~