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asciilifeform: q is whether it could survive a coupla trips.
mircea_popescu: the sea eats rubber. i hear that's why they don't have the toyota submerged cities yet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you wouldn't put a single crystal panel to sea, lol. segments joined by rubber.
asciilifeform: it's 1 of the few potentially sane use cases for pv.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is solvable , with properly oversized panel.
asciilifeform: electrics -- scale down to ~microscopic. who didn't have a toy submarine as a boy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the sun will dry the seawater on your solar panels.
asciilifeform: and no tanks.
mircea_popescu: "but mp, 1knot is booooring" "you know, the fish over there is the same fish as over here"
mircea_popescu: very expensive to gotta quick in water.
mircea_popescu: the other thing is of course speed. you, you're happy with 1 knot. the reason "modern yacht" has massively oversized engine and undersized tanks is because water is like molasses, and modern man is a premature ejaculotor. GOTTA QUICK!!!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: airtank as ballast already classic, in ordinary torpedo.
mircea_popescu: the small robotic blocade runner tech is very immature.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you'll have to figure out a buoyancy thing anyway. whyt the fuck use ballast, when could use airtank. etc.
asciilifeform: it is possible to have closed cycle engine, on (reasonably) cheap.
mircea_popescu: all reactos are the same size.
mircea_popescu: PeterL there can not be such a thing as "small scale" nuclear reactor
PeterL: just go to small scale nuclear reactor and then you don't need air, can just run under the water
asciilifeform can picture valves, and compressed air tank as 'buffer'
asciilifeform: rright, but diesels as i know'em still gotta be dry in order to start again.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hence my "niggers nigger rig" comment. they don't have the clue to make what they need.
mircea_popescu: the tiny thing here discussed, a) can be easily stopped and b) the suckage isn't of the nature of golfball-through-virginasshole./
asciilifeform: i can think of several possible ways to make such a diesel, but afaik no such thing presently exists off-shelf, would have to make.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason this doesn't work for the 40 foot planing yacht twin engine turbo bla bla, is because engine is fucking large.
mircea_popescu: no, the engine stops. not chokes, stops.
asciilifeform: so needs diesel that can self-dehydrate ?
asciilifeform: and 2m (sop) wave, all 4 submerged ? then what
asciilifeform: they're sucking, tho
mircea_popescu: suck with the ones not submerged.
mircea_popescu: nah, water keeps self out, as long as they don't suck.
mircea_popescu: put four on each corner, make them |= style, and let it be
asciilifeform: it takes 1 gulp of ocean, and engine is done
asciilifeform: afaik there's a reason why torpedoes carry own oxidizer in all cases
asciilifeform: for the sake of gedankenexperiment : mircea_popescu how would you keep the air intake out of water in a 'surface torpedo' ?
mircea_popescu: in any case, you're doing 1/100 the weight and 1/10 the fuel tank.
asciilifeform does not have the naval-fu to say whether this scales down linearly
mircea_popescu: understand : "standard" yacht, say a 33 foot boat, has ~5ton displacement, and its tank (150-200 liters) will take it say maybe 300 miles if driven 6-7 knots in calm weather.
mircea_popescu: this is not yacht. this is a 50kg displacement, 1inch above water item.
asciilifeform: erry ~week they find, neh, some schmuck with cocayacht
mircea_popescu: hear is one thing. go find.
mircea_popescu: yeah right. a gift like season tickets for baseball are a gift. "here's a gift that will take 5k in bills to '''enjoy'''".
asciilifeform: diesel can also be heard from 20km, tho
mircea_popescu: diesel is 10MW/kg. this means that 1 jerrycan of diesel can take two jerrycans however far 7500 miles or so.
asciilifeform: ( so what if 'can take 2wks, can take 3, depending on currents', sun still shines )
asciilifeform: if we had the hands that are skilled in this, we wouldn't be having the thread nao, would we.
phf: take port in la perla san juan on the way, drink mescal with the zetas, etc.
asciilifeform: arithmetic still worx on it tho
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall the 'battery for flying 10kg to buenos aires' thread btw
phf: a plus of this approach is that asciilifeform will be able to live out his boat life fantasy
asciilifeform: or is this one of those 2-arsed beasts
asciilifeform: if they're butt, who then front, i'm curious
asciilifeform: but they have the turnover to support the fixed costs, and we not yet
mircea_popescu: more like at the butt of it, but w/e.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the columbian folx are at the forefront, as i understand, of this tech.
mircea_popescu: hitch two jerrycans together, one with the fuel, the other with the engine navigation and payload, and w/e, two weeks to port.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, small & thereby entirely undetectable surfaceboat (like the us army troop transporters, back in the day there was such a thing as an us army or troops) would prolly work perfectly well.
asciilifeform: rright, was whole substance of thread. asciilifeform is not in luvv with sha, does not yearn to use it 4evah
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:19 asciilifeform: if new vtron allows mechanical preservation of ~continuity~ , i.e. i can determine mechanically that a reground tree is in fact same as the old but-for-the-hashes, then all is ok. but if not, this'd be essentially same as throwing past 3rs of historicity away.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851661 << this principle is perfectly sound, nobody wants "throw away"/ ☝︎
mircea_popescu: gun turrets, when ?
BingoBoingo: Apparently there was a cheque in the card
mircea_popescu: what, granma used to hbe a gun moll, put a benjie in the card ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: didja ever ask that shop keeper ? << Their answer was sufficiently vague as to be useless
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 15:20 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I am still waiting on a birthday card from February sent through the post
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: also plox to clarify, at this point is the disk crate a total loss ? Will hopefully find out by Friday or Monday.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851656 << so why not do just that. ☝︎
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: also plox to clarify, at this point is the disk crate a total loss ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: didja ever ask that shop keeper ?
BingoBoingo: Anyways, looks like the rest of this week is finding out how the plasticrap makes it in
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 03:11 Mocky: construction workers for their 2022 world cup stadii firmly in gulag, unpaid for year+, dying at a rate of 1 every 2 days, according to The Guardian ~2014
asciilifeform: 'i represent $corp ! will call home, there will be problems '
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform was able to make use of 'sahib' dynamic to get crates through orc customs
phf: as BingoBoingo continues living in orcland and his subtle mannerisms lose the imperial edge the locals no longer perceive him as a white sahib, soon attempt to "back to work, nigger" him
mircea_popescu: which they mindlessly will otherwise.
mircea_popescu: what i meant by "mercantilism" is that they do not want the locals to leak dollars back into the ubers of the world. ☟︎
asciilifeform: loox like mircea_popescu's old observation 'they wanna tax, not prohibit commerce' was optimistic tho. the orcs ~want~ to die
asciilifeform: initially worked on assumption that no mail at all.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i admit i was surprised to have been able to mail ~anyffing~ there, knew there gotta be a catch
mircea_popescu: provided of course personas fisicas de republica oriental can receive more than 2 packets a year.
asciilifeform: also will be hilarious to expose backbone ticklings.
asciilifeform: ( all i got so far is dusty tomes & hearsay , re subj )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm quite looking forward to learning the answer to 'how big packet'
phf: i believe this might be a groundhog day thread
mircea_popescu: imo we're getting close to a golden standard udp tester.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'd be entirely satisfied if it were a separate util, that came 'with' vtron, also.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 13:14 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the way i'd do the size shuffle, is to use a kindergarten prng (e.g. mersenne) for repeatable sequence, and put ~in~ the packets, a serial num. then simply record what comes out.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851619 << this is sound ☝︎
mircea_popescu: why would i have baked into vtron something that a) is unlikely to ever be used again, past this year and b) works much better in bash anyway and is rather trivial to do
mircea_popescu: but the point is : given a sha tree, the operator thereby produces the keccak tree, and then the tool verifies these are the same, and there you go.
mircea_popescu: phf i honestly thought ~everyone with half hour's interest does have the ~same dozen lines of bash, and so neve rsaid a word of it. i dunno why he doesn't.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean "make new ones" ? http://btcbase.org/patches/asciilifeform_aggressive_pushgetblocks << to replace "- D49E7AAAB38507FD69E6629B8BAAE80BC87D2071C842C8EDE6F2D8E54F87E7D439C79B9A38AD94591E6FD5CF96196F2221426A4C8A2FFB282030FBCF810C18FB
phf: mircea_popescu: i have a set of tools like that on top of vpatch/vdiff, but they are entirely expressable as a 5-10 line shell scripts, and their variety is multitude "convert this sha set to keccak set" "see if these two sets press to same" "press all the intermediate states into separate folders" etc. etc. but i think what he's trying to get is a tool that will say "these keccaks are same as these shas so you don't have to reread"
asciilifeform: i can do it with shell ( as quoted from trb experiment list earlier ) easily enuff. but there is also the ~reader~ side, who wants to verify continuity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right, purge, but 1st gotta make new ones, that are known to contain same material
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why would IT do that ? you just purge the patches, hash and sign, and then have it verify
asciilifeform: (but for the hashes)
asciilifeform: and can produce a keccak tree from a sha tree, with the exception of the seals, in such a way that i can be assured that i'm signing same material.
mircea_popescu: phf this make any sense to you ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you're saying this compare should be a flag in vtron, whereby it takes a sha and a keccak tree and spits out yes/no ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i long ago gave up trying to maintain 'the one and only vtron' lol