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asciilifeform: (operating room is not even best example. ever been to what is in usa called a 'type 4 lab' ? the kind with air lock.)
asciilifeform: and in fact healthy man's own body is precisely a set of semipermeable surfaces.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 15:47 mircea_popescu: there isn't a better approach to this. in particular "creating a semi-permeable membrane" is not one of them.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a better approach to this. in particular "creating a semi-permeable membrane" is not one of them. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: which is how you end up with an operating room : a neat place with few nooks and crannies where only surgeons (as opposed to mice ; cockroaches ; bacteria) are allowed access. as a result, no shit hiding in corners.
mircea_popescu: there is no good solution to this problem, but small codebases aka fit-in-head is a very strong paleative, and to my mind its chief merit comes from just this.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607087 << this is actually not half-bad an idea, and it goes nicely in the direction of phf 's literate code, which i still think should be a distant, but present goal. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware palm calculators exist for a while now. they don't "fix math" for the blonde ditz.
mircea_popescu: so obviously her task at some point turned to... go out and talk to women. IN THE FUCKING STREET. she broke up in hives, she got gastritis, but my stick was firmer than the flesh and within a few short weeks retrospectively (that no doubt seemed endless then) acquired all the required skills, abilities and practices, and now can talk to random person on cue, with the best of the salesmen.
mircea_popescu acquired new $slavegirl. intelligent girl, very educable (i don't just mean in terms of training-for-slavery, a la BCT, i mean scholarily, with a native thirst for knowledge and a natural dedication to clean thinking) and altogether very pleasant. for historical reasons, unexperienced socially (twentysomething, second time she was in a bar, i took her there) and not particularily capable of talking to people.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me recount a different story, if you will.
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit upstack, afaik the only people alive today with serious skill in managing a large cloud of sub-identities, are scammers. and that this is unlikely to change.
mircea_popescu: ~nobody wants their name on their tits ; a degree of magnitude more than that ~nobody want the blouse off the tits.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: names of women you fucked. i know the names and there aren't too many of 'em. and for some strange indefensible reason i think this applies to many folx here. but this is a tangent
mircea_popescu: to obtain a handle one must do specific things ; if they don't, they don't. i don't give out handles like candy because why would i.
asciilifeform: because if we have login for n00bz at all, that is a mental cheque that gets written and ends up cashed.
mircea_popescu: i don't distinguish between eg adlai or nubbins ; i haven't allocated a handle ; they're just $dork, whatever.
asciilifeform: and not only scammers. for all of the annoying habits of, e.g., adlai, i'd still much rather have 1 adlai than to have to perform the calculation of 'is this an adlai-tulpa' every time a new name appears.
asciilifeform: lemme approach from slightly different angle. one of the reasons why wot works as well as it does, is a certain human weakness of malefactors, where they habitually stick to one or a very few persona, and make admissions-against-interest.
mircea_popescu: let me ask you a side question.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much of this is habit. consider for a second the case of the nickname dude, who is currently having a meltdown in my comment section on the apparent expectation that i somehow care what he said and i read the various comments as comming ~from the same one guy~. he actually thinks this ; actually expects me to allocate INDIVIDUALITY on the basis of anonymous. it's almost as if i were to wake up every morning and on
asciilifeform: and with respect to this, none of us have the meatware to navigate a hypothetical #trilema where 1,000,001 tulpatrons are speaking, instead of 6 d00dz
a111: Logged on 2015-08-05 13:38 mircea_popescu: one is USE. specifically - hanbot must be able to put into work the theoretical advances b-a produces. and ima use her as a stand-in for "intelligent and willing to work, but not able to grow a beard".
asciilifeform: v, for instance, is a classica intelligence amplifier. (if mircea_popescu recalls, asciilifeform resisted actually ~writing~ it, and said, approx., 'a reasonable person ought to be able to Do All Of This In His Head')
mircea_popescu: yes but at a cost. and in places you're too used to paying that cost.
mircea_popescu: e WILL BE A NEXT TIME.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you keep trying to design-for-ai. there's no need and no call for that ; moreover no practical way to ever do it. wot permitted me to ascertain enough information to eg behead that adlai schmuck most recently. there's no way "for you to explain how i reasoned to a machine", or even in general, and that doesn't hurt or stop me. moreover if there was such a way, then he'd simply act differently next time. and ther
mircea_popescu: there isn't a mechanical process for levers and swamp water.
mircea_popescu: your "easier" is entirely illusory. every time you try to use levers on a puddle of mud water, you get mud on face AND NAUGHT ELSE.
mircea_popescu: there isn't a mechanical way out of it.
asciilifeform: while scammers try to play split-list games and unite, with sleigh of hand, their 'not been wrong yet' keys into a Great Hero
mircea_popescu: and you also don't "must have signed gossipd lines", either. there was a mega discussion re that also on gossipd thread
asciilifeform: it isn't a 'you must', but rather 'you can have unsigned-ratings XOR multiple-v-personalities'
Framedragger: a timestamped and signed wot (navigable via time axis) may be one of those few technical tools within wot management which may actually be helpful :)
asciilifeform: main risk becomes the one described in http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ .
asciilifeform: (and i will also note, mircea_popescu's method puts serious mechanical stress on a part of tmsr that is at present time not well-developed -- navigation of elaborate, deep, and TIME-VARIANT relationships between wot inhabitants) ☟︎
asciilifeform: but Framedragger has a larger and imho relevant point, the ecc in trb is part of the world-as-we-found-it
asciilifeform: Framedragger: there is, at this very moment, a rotting dead groundhog under asciilifeform's shed.
asciilifeform: trinque: a good chunk of the appeal, i dare say, of trb, is the ~pedigree~
jurov: anything NOT "marked as a mortally dangerous thing"
jurov: asciilifeform: will there ever be a "works as described, use in production" item in this vein?
asciilifeform: it was quite clearly marked as a mortally dangerous thing, for laboratory use only.
thestringpuller: Curb Your Enthusiasm is back after a 6 year hiatus. Larry David says he was "busy with other stuff"
asciilifeform: all i ask is that said act not require a collective head nod. ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: in that instance, a number of people were able to sign some code without taking ~any~ authorship responsibility, but strictly to proclaim historical authenticity and provenance,
trinque: semi-relatedly, deedbot will be catching up on blocks for a bit this morning. I shut it down earlier to move old db files to a slower drive.
asciilifeform: trinque: consider the trb-genesis as a successful use case of the thing i am asking for.
asciilifeform: (2) can, with rivers of sweat, be -- theoretically-- subsumed into (1), but most folx who think that they have done this for a nontrivial program, are deluding themselves
trinque: asciilifeform: seems the problem there has as much to do with the fact that a gentleman would have to dedicate a very large part of his life to making further, sweeping improvements to the trb codebase
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 13:52 adlai doesn't like publishing incomplete work, even if it's useful for cave divering archaeologists. asciilifeform might be the first to see a useful turd, if one should drop. until then, radio silence.
asciilifeform: trinque: a situation where literally nobody is willing to maintain reactor, is a very real risk.
asciilifeform: trinque: understand, i ~like~ docs, version histories, literate comments, and use'em in own work. but hey do not solve the problem from subj thread in a permanent and unambiguous way.
trinque: and then when I shit, nobody seals my patch, and eventually I'm known as a floor shitter, and nobody regards my seal
asciilifeform: trinque: has a promisetronic flavour to it
trinque: what comes to mind there is a long scroll within the project
trinque: only if someone were blindly applying patches if sealed, and blindly respecting ratings without regard to real relationship, would there be a problem.
trinque: we're discussing what's currently in a v-tree, though
trinque: there is a risk in giving them any place at all
trinque: could always leave an expository comment in a file in your patch, but I don't know that it holds that "found item" is less the v-author's fault
trinque: if you bring i.e. tinyscheme into a v-tree, is it not your cross to bear?
adlai doesn't like publishing incomplete work, even if it's useful for cave divering archaeologists. asciilifeform might be the first to see a useful turd, if one should drop. until then, radio silence. ☟︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607048 << i did not forget it, trinque , but it is a very bitter pill, as i suspect folx will discover for themselves when they actually take said pill ☝︎
asciilifeform: as befits a literate d00d. write a vtron. or pick up an actual unsolved problem from the logz.
adlai is not a teetotaler in most fields, despite the expulpated exhortations. ☟︎
adlai doesn't drink much anymore, but apparently mircea can still smell the solvent, like a satisfied homeopathic patient
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 07:07 mircea_popescu: To be clear re ^ : dude's been trying to attack the republic for over a year by now through the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 02:25 asciilifeform: if there is literally no way to memorialize the fact that i took $item off a dead nazi, or dug up from sunken atlantis, rather than wrote it personally -- said item will have to be done without. (unless someone else in your wot does the imho monumentally idiotic act of 'adopting it as own child')
Framedragger: a fine morning to yourself! i see you rise early
Framedragger: i suppose this ties into the "view WoT rating as a representation of degree of certainty" approach, aha.
Framedragger: anyway, maybe one day someone will elucidate me why -10 ratings is a thing for humans who have done a magicaltux
Framedragger: i'm like that (useless) teacher in kobo abe's "woman in the dunes", walking around the desert and examining bugs :) one day i'll fall into a pit which houses a house and a woman, and i won't want to get out
mircea_popescu: Framedragger hey, you've... not exactly learned a lot, but actually examined a lot in the past few months huh!
mircea_popescu: truth be told it's not directly clear there's not actually a future for both insta and letter models (ie, irc and webforums, for instance, or phone calls AND mailing lists/bbsen) irrespective of historical poor implementation.
Framedragger: but the originally conceived idea of a site which serves 'smart' JS which does pgp must be disposed of. i even looked into the state of the art in pinning (say, JS) web resources in html5 so the browser can be sure it's being served the same stuff, but it's ~undoable because the whole browserstack is rotten (and obvs JS doubly so)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606714 << if the thing was implemented as discussed (e.g. http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/#comment-117298) it would indeed not be centralised. or if it ended up relying on one central node, that node would be more like a passive store of pgp'd blobs. not to say that i believe this is the one true future and salvation, ☝︎
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/simon_penn_r << ifanyone still has a twitter see if that status451.com dude wants to come over say hi ?
mircea_popescu: Let it be plainly stated that you treat this sort of subhuman scum as if it were a person at your own peril. It won't benefit by your sacrifice ; you will sooner or later end up in the sad position of discovering you no longer have a soul.
mircea_popescu: To be clear re ^ : dude's been trying to attack the republic for over a year by now through the remarkably idiotic procedure of speaking as if he has some weight. Because who knows, maybe we're all dumb dumb and this contextual approach actually works, we'll end up thinking he's somebody because he's been acting as if he were for so long, everyone forgot he isn't. ☟︎
adlai: the bug is calling it a 'root', it's actually a leaf. the "root" of the relevant patch tree is the node you're trying to press. the "second root" which makes less sense (but should still not eggog) is "press two nodes"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes on consideration piece not really worth translating ; it was a short intro for clueless ro audience. read eric berne &co instead.
asciilifeform: apprentice is more of a walking spermatozoid than anything else.
mircea_popescu: (contrary to the deeply desired implication reflected in the name, there's no relation between a wizard and an apprentice wizard.)
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's a discussion of history not a proposal. woe to the apprentice wizard who fancies himself a wizard on the strength of having read the actual wizard's youth journal.
mircea_popescu: emperor norton died in his bed. well, after a fashion.
mircea_popescu: easiest decision a bureaucrat ever made.
mircea_popescu: a shit what some random bureaucrat thinks on any topic. I asked the DA if he thinks he has it in him to survive once the world which I control is no longer tolerant of him."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing is easier than http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121016 "I didn't ask the girl if she thinks I'm any good or not. This is neither her business nor something within her purview. I asked the girl if she thinks she has it in her to try and survive once the world (WHICH I OWN) is no longer friendly to her. I didn't ask the DA for his evaluation of me. I couldn't give less of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha. but the article makes a very solid point : the current "start-up culture" is EXACTLY this. as discussed in the trilema "sv pedos" piece and ailleurs.
asciilifeform: quite believable. my understanding is that '65s-'75 usa was undergoing a 'british empire' moment where 'youngest sons' of the elite had 'lack of breathing room' and went uppity, and threw a bit of tantrum before being reabsorbed, bill ayers style, into specially-created 'church' bureaucracies
asciilifeform: 'Let me tell you about young Bernardine. She was a strikingly attractive woman. Beautiful clear olive skin. Busty and she showed it off all the time. And usually in high black boots. Not working class engineer boots, shiny black fetish gear. Have you seen the Weather movie? Through the entire “underground” period she wore that gear. They were “underground” on the Upper West Side, in the
asciilifeform: weapons, and an infinite supply of ammunition for training purposes. If they burned out an M60 by running it too hot there was another M60 ready to go. And a little farm in Wisconsin to use as a training facility. All the farmers in the vicinity could and did hear the M60 and the BAR, so could the local police, somehow in spite of every local looking daggers at the hippies when they passed through
asciilifeform: 'Myself I started to drift out of SDS when martial arts training became obligatory. When weapons training was required that was the end for me. What sent me away was not so much the notion of using a gun for a political end as that the providers of the guns were people who until five minutes previous could not fundraise a nickel bag for a party. Suddenly they had weapons, unlimited weapons, nice
mod6: Much appreciated. Other than this problem with the roots at hand, I think mine is in pretty great shape. The implementation of the all-antecedents axiom creates a bit of a slant here for what I have. But I'll do some digging into what your v99 looks like again and see if I can't get something resolved with that.
asciilifeform: lemme know if you need a hand with the algo (though imho my original proggy was pretty readable)
mircea_popescu: indeed, this is a temporary fix we find selves in
mircea_popescu: it can even be a collective key, perhaps not in the sense of actually sharing the privkey, but perhaps trbf/holder signs items at request ; with the understanding it's all foundling crap anyway
mircea_popescu: mod6 i expect the correct solution going forward is : a) for someone (maybe trbf ?) to make a Wildman McFucksticks key which b) will be used to sign a compliant rebase of tinyscheme / anything else anyone finds in the woods and wants to sign.
asciilifeform: shiva(tinyscheme) is not a wife, it is a cow. it is quite possible to have a house without a cow. if you do have a cow, it lives in separate structure, and nobody will need to be reminded that it is not a wife. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: there isn't two different someones out there in a reliable sense.
asciilifeform: imho for no c program is this a safe (in terms of preserving one's honour) act.