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thestringpuller: "Thank you for posting that article! Brother Taaki knocks it out of the park."
<< like really
mircea_popescu:
<pete_dushenski> "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL
<< honestly, at this point i'd want everyone to give a good look to libsecp256k1
mircea_popescu:
<pete_dushenski> wait, no, not purpose, causes!
<< lol selfpwnt
mircea_popescu:
<pete_dushenski> they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny.
<<< or, moreover, aren't even bitcoin in any sense. notice the earlier guy with his strange "irc is insecure" notions. he probably thinks he's involved. his choices and mental processes however do not reflect that.
mircea_popescu:
<asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize.
<< i have trouble coming to terms with this concept. wtf do you mean ? they'd better parallelize or else can't work on a turing machine
Apocalyptic:
<BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Notice how he never addresses bandwidth growth seriously // this is indeed a worthy issue to address
pete_dushenski: "And then divide by… uh, I think 5, because Pieter’s libsecp256k1 code is 5 times as fast as OpenSSL."
<< love this line by gavin.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and incidentally exactly, but EXACTLY how idiots just like gavin end up with mortgages they can't pay.
<< such forecasting these guys.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: moreover, the way net neutrality etc is going, not to mention the realpolitics of you know, actual wars, financial or otherwise, it wouldn't be surprising if in 20 years the average us citizen is on dialup
<< only then will their derping be tamed. when it actually costs something.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and i don't care specifically because we want bitcoin to take over the financial, and with it the political power in the world. all of it.
<< so *that's* why we're here!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc
<<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.
<< whoa.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place, and apply the inflationary economy it's ran off from here
<< they didn't forget as much as were attracted by the *new shininess* in the first place. now new thing is shiny.
BingoBoingo:
<asciilifeform> some jobs simply do not parallelize.
<< Single network interface with packet filter
mircea_popescu: check it out, that's a choke ain't it. 2 on >200 1 on
< 600
BingoBoingo:
<xanthyos> i'm too crazy to live
<< No such thing.
kakobrekla: x
<xanthyos> maybe danielpbarron is right when he says i'm brain damaged and i can't trust my own judgment
< its good you figured this before buying a bottle of vodka and walking into the woods. just listen to us.
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2014 03:44:52; mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading.
<< bwahahaha WAY AHEAD
gribble: wyrdmantis was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes, and 57 seconds ago:
<wyrdmantis> Alibaba IPO? Totally unrelated to this downmove?
thestringpuller: Yeah i think i'll stick to working with trustworthy people like Tapeke and blockchain!
<< blockchain is trustworthy nao?
mircea_popescu: Tapeke is the first personal finance application specifically designed for Bitcoin. We help Bitcoiners to keep track of their Bitcoin expenses and incomes and ..."
<< you couldn't possibly mean that ?!
hanbot: mircea_popescu: how's slotful lust ? asciilifeform: you of all people should know
<< ahahaha, this convo....
chetty:
<asciilifeform> chetty: they want to eat.// helps to be alive to do that
mike_c: GET /gow//.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\.\..\etc/passwd
<< does this shit actually still work on anyone?
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: you guys and your normcore style
<< do elaborate!
BingoBoingo: ninjashogun Let's design an ATM card that is a Bitcoin wallet. Who is up to the task with me. Ideas? Thoughts? Purpose: so that dumb users can just "get a card" rather than have to learn how to set up a complicated node on a p2p network. They already use ATM cards. So, this is a form factor thing.
<< The people who hop on -dev so srs
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform> want ten terabyte / sec ? catapult, disks.
<< Stationwagon and tape may still be king
jurov: it is people IN THIS CHAN that are both the leading edge and the sum total of both the global financial infrastructure and its migration to bitcoin
<< this meand you and who else then?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: such burden
<< if not paid for, even a cent's worth can kill.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: o heya cazalla. how was the lass ?
<<< no time for that, to sydney and back again in 2 days
BingoBoingo:
<jurov> they tend to burn, too
<< Not if you make a smarter fire.
BingoBoingo: jurov> unless copper is on par with silver, no one is interested in tiny phone wires
<< In my present metro area, when leaves my rural oasis for the city one finds all outdoor components of HVAC systems living in cages
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: this is not unusual for a first-world country, is it?
<< here's the problem : you went from cable to optic fibre to do that.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: so average bandwidth in US (where Gavin is based) is 10Mbit. An incearse of .5 per year is like what 15 next then 22.5 after that etc etc
<<< in 20 years the per-block subsidy will be just about 40 bitcents. at that same time, gavin's block size will be 110 mb.
mircea_popescu: go1111111: Gavin has a different idea of where he wants Bitcoin to go
<< no, actually, gavin has finally figured that there's not really space in bitcoin for him, and he wants to move on. which is fine.
mircea_popescu: go1111111: thestringpuller: many people see the potential for Bitcoin to replace much of the global financial infrastructure. i know people in this channel prefer Bitcoin to be a gold-replacement, but if it was able to do a lot more, it'd be pretty awesome
<< this is wrong on each and every level.
Apocalyptic:
<mircea_popescu> yet somehow the bitcoin crowd is supposed to have forgotten why it got into bitcoin in the first place // that's a recurring thought I have these days
mike_c:
<+mircea_popescu> i don';t giuve a shit what usefullness you see or don't see.
<< another contender for the b-a tagline :)
mircea_popescu: go1111111: BingoBoingo: yes, bandwidth is the thing to be genuinely concerned about
<< you don't get to separate your better's concerns into genuine and less genuine, fuckface.
mircea_popescu: go1111111: the problem is that having small blocksizes and high fees doesn't actually make anything nicer for anyone.
<<< and who told you this ?
Apocalyptic:
<mircea_popescu> blocksize is a scarce resource. // and it should remain so, precisely
mircea_popescu:
<go1111111> thestringpuller: Gavin surely knows that it adds some burden on full nodes, but the point is that it's a trivial amount. engineering is about tradeoffs and the thing being traded off against increasing the block size is miniscule
<< increasing the block size is NOT a gain. it's a loss.
mircea_popescu:
<pete_dushenski> he's just playing it up for the crowd.
<< that, pretty much. like any pundit/hired "tech support", he's got his talking points and he's going to talk the points.
BingoBoingo:
<thestringpuller> if you want a tx to get in the block add a fucking fee and pay for the nice thing you've been given
<< This
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: everyone writes one
<< everyone with a blog and a brain.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kids active today grew up in a world of computer game word filters
<< different is bad and not nice and trolling and mysogyracist! poor fucking kids...
nubbins`:
<+mircea_popescu> how's slotful lust ?
<+asciilifeform> you of all people should know
<<< my sides
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: nubbins` that's because you have canadiancare, which is really just nationalised obamacare. you're socialists over there, not like the true capitalists down south. that's why.
<< better this way. both losses and profits are socialized unlike tbtf american cos.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you 'dox' people unless there's dirt ?
<< there's a lot you don't know.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about wild boar ?
<< best dish i had in lithuania was wild boar. paired with pears!
gribble: Sent 6 days, 23 hours, and 15 minutes ago:
<DoctorBTC> Got the print. Nice!
BingoBoingo:
<mircea_popescu> i think if that were a question on a junior college class - in humanities, mind you - you'd be lucky to get a kid in five spot it.
<< Ever the optimist
mircea_popescu: nubbins` protip
<< yeah i said it above too, but somehow it dun stick.
nubbins`: thickasthieves:so as the market becomes ultimately centralized, it's demise into decentralized pieces is inevitable, no?
<< uh, this already happened?
nubbins`:
<+mircea_popescu> if only liv tyler were inhabited by stoya.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: so basically concert organizers change to appease crowd, no one comes. wisdom of the crowd!
<< quite. the worst thing you can do is listen to the idiots. just because they do with the mouth doesn't mean they actually want any of it implemented. what's next, cow barns made according to cow moos ?
mircea_popescu:
<nubbins`> mayo's not sticky enough
<< you can make it as sticky as you want
cazalla: sgornick: Hey cazalla and/or BingoBoing, ... check PM for message re: @Qntra twitter -
http://Twitter.com/Qntra <<< you can change email to info@qntra.net, happy to leave it as a feed, ty for that
cazalla: mircea_popescu:
<mike_c> any insight into where qntra traffic is coming from?
<< cazalla ran off with a lass, but he'll be back midweek, ima push him to put quantcast in there, then you can see directly.
<<< i will do this in the morning
BingoBoingo: "These both follow the same output format, according to DETAILS. But look what happens when I add spaces to align the columns:"
<< Then don't align the fucking columns to make them "look nice"
BingoBoingo: Having to ship GnuPG binaries to Windows and MacOS users is bad enough, but dependency hell is a place we want to stay out of. If we were writing Mailpile in, say, C or C++, then PGPME would definitely be the library of choice, but we're not, so it isn't.
<< lulz
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 'functional government' exactly like a miraculously-intact leaf of salad in your kitchen garbage disposal is a 'garden.'
<< Maybe not a garden for you, but a garden for mycellium
mircea_popescu: dub: you have a Guiding Hand whose system elects temporary emperors in a way designed to obfuscate it from the herd
<< emperors my foot. pretty much all the president can do is mispronounce for the camera and be made a laughingstock of.
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: I consider that a decent step forward
<< lol gotta work
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mega-lol. nato world tired of living?
<< from what i gather a little bit of epidemic doesn't look so bad up top. nice profits for pharma, might even get the country outta recession.
mircea_popescu: thickasthieves: excuse my ignorance, but cant the node cost problem be solved simply by running pay-node businesses?
<< zipf problem.
mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz: Me neither. I would rather see the block size go up. If that creates a crisis of not enough full notes, then people are going to do something about that pretty quick I'd guess.
<<< yeah, sure they will. specifically, sink the bitcoin lite resulting from the fork and sticking to the original.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i really trust him with 6 but motherfucker is already leading.
<< bwahahaha WAY AHEAD
☟︎ mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i wouldnt give 10 to my mother
<< you don't know her like we do :D