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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and if it WERE a problem, make iraq 51st state, shoot everyone who refuses to attend sunday mass.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes takes all of five minutes for money to be made. it's just a matter of how you structure things.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nobody here is laboring under the illusion that any money is to be made. there are social media twits, and a small group of people trading fermented trash around.
mircea_popescu: any way you turn it, it's not been long enough. us could get any item fabrication thing going tomorrow, and be good at it by 2020. the oinly thing keepign this from happening atm is the faint pretenses of kiddos who think they get to have a say in their future activity and the misguided notions of old people that somehow china eating that and the us being left to make money out of doing each other's laundry is a practicable a
trinque: hell my truck came from a factory in san antonio
ben_vulpes: from 3 chuckles in a 3-hour rotation of minorities down to barely 1 by accounts.
mircea_popescu: so politico being what he is, he'll do what he can. and the bureaucracy being what it is, ie a spending machine, will sit its ass on its own mouth and adapt.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there's a bunch of moneys for the us to build nuclear reactors and oil pipeline process ; to lay train track ; some to do dumb shit like walls with mexico, hospitals, etcetera. exactly none to continue with the present "derechos" bullshit.
ben_vulpes: this repositing every single thing that happens as a direct result of the great inca in america is downright tiring. inca gives zero shits about this corner of its empire, leaves us to fend for ourselves.
ben_vulpes: it's a full-employment program, the money is definitionally wasted.
mircea_popescu: anyway, let's just say that the notion that the "blue chips" are worth anything just took a serious bath.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but those folks are weaker than a website. 20 man firms ; and those "men" are too afraid to grab an ass in the elevator.
ben_vulpes: "wake up babe army, the wall is not a racist thing. it's the largest works program since the new deal."
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's not even that gop split up under trump shock. much worse than that : the non-trump faction took a hard look around, discovered it doesn't exist.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah does matter quite a bit how great the great again is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he's hated by nobody on a stick.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes depends on how good a job bannon does. ☟︎
asciilifeform: (unsurprisingly) they are making a nixon-shaped box for him to sit down in.
asciilifeform: (obummer's executive decrees -- a-ok; herr tritler's reversal thereof -- OHNOEZ)
Framedragger: phf: if at it, may i have a copy of your logs too, please? :)
ben_vulpes: phf: may i have a copy of your log backups?
ben_vulpes: a+ historical document linked from 'days of rage': http://nymag.com/news/features/46170/#print
asciilifeform: (i have not succeeded in locating a working example of xerox-interlisp lm, for sale at any price by anyone)
asciilifeform: well we saved a few.
mircea_popescu: speak, ye of little resources, thinking self programmers and thinking men, who couldn't even save a few lisp machines.
asciilifeform: the rembrandts were burned in a stove. etc.
asciilifeform: in a house one uses fans sitting on sorbothane grommets, etc.
asciilifeform: i would not live with it in a house.
asciilifeform: but that box is as loud as a shop vac.
asciilifeform: in $otherlocation i have a box with removable, pluggable fans on rails , where you can pull it straight out and immediately drop in clean one
asciilifeform: to briefly return to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607573 , as i was painfully rubbed into it yesterday, in own iron: the hardware follows a 'passenger pigeon' dynamic: 'today, plenty' -- 'tomorrow, plenty' ... ... 'suddenly, none' ☝︎
asciilifeform: in turn it is also why i have an interest in a hypothetical nonbignumtronic (i.e. lamportronic) 'trb-i'.
asciilifeform: these are 'kalash', they can be brought up with some patch wire, in a pinch, not even needing pcb, and exist in ~limitless junkyard supply, as does their ram and glue logic; and can be manufactured with sov-era fab tech, in turn can be re-created for less than what a dozen garbage trucks cost.
asciilifeform: fact is, in the not too distant future, even the very powerful folx will have many fewer cpu cycles to play with than common lamer has today. to the extent this is any concern of mine, i would like to design in such a way that the applications that actually matter, e.g., wotronics, have the necessary cycles.
asciilifeform: there is also, somewhere in u.s. air force, a pdp-8 up continuously since 1978.
asciilifeform: a top-notch (i.e. 1000+ usd in early 2000s) mobo lasts about 10y. i determined, experimentally.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform /me is building a new palace, bought out all the things!!11
mircea_popescu: computing is a ~dead discipline in this regard.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was just the other day sweating, to source a multi-cpu+ecc opteron board with >1 16-lane pcie.
asciilifeform: if you add'em all up, you get a massive wad of shit.
asciilifeform: in practice is is a problem. because ~everybody has ~own set of ancient iron.
mircea_popescu: this isn't so much a problem, as hardware also has no future.
asciilifeform: regardless of how it is done. x86 is a corrosive evil.
asciilifeform: which is largely a wad of elisp
mircea_popescu: it'd be saner to have a common trunk which people change than to have to reinvent the wheel each trime a new person fires up a new emacs.
asciilifeform: i will sooner put on another d00d's eyeglasses than use a stock emacs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not sure that's such a healthy thing.
mircea_popescu: also which 3.x is a worthy question
asciilifeform: i suppose i missed a cltron
asciilifeform: a mainstay of msdos game industry of '90s.
asciilifeform: this is sorta why i wanted to put out trb, frozen gcc, linux, etc. on a ~pressed aluminum~ cd
mircea_popescu: i suspect as the basis grows there's going to be a lot more such cross-verification.
asciilifeform: if your vtree traces pedigree to one of THESE as genesis, i or anyone else possessing such a disk, can be satisfied that it is not a modern wholesale forgery
asciilifeform: incidentally there is such a thing as a 'stone witness', if you will. e.g., i have tarballs from 1990s on cdrom.
asciilifeform: but yes, the fact that asciilifeform made genesis using the recipe he gave, from vintage bitcoind, rather than pulled from own arse, is not a mechanically provable fact without witnesses.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:51 asciilifeform: (and i will also note, mircea_popescu's method puts serious mechanical stress on a part of tmsr that is at present time not well-developed -- navigation of elaborate, deep, and TIME-VARIANT relationships between wot inhabitants)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607168 << which is how everything ended up being here, through this shifting stress process. but anyway -- ancient societies had a very simple solution to the exact problem, which was the status of the alien. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607162 << im kinda curious if this day is actually in my lifespan. a LOT more curious than about any of the nonsense re i dunno, "cure for death". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: there's a very marked difference between "to signify your agreement do x" and "anyone doing x is signifiying their agreement to blabla". this outrageous confusion between the sign and the significant itself is enough to make idiots of all the fiat statists.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:21 asciilifeform: all i ask is that said act not require a collective head nod.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom. ☝︎☟︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 13:49 adlai is not a teetotaler in most fields, despite the expulpated exhortations.
mircea_popescu: it's a shitty thing to try and sell. at least whore sells her cunt, which is pleasant. scammer sells some knowledge. it's something, not much but present.
mircea_popescu: in honestly that bit was twinkling for a while.
asciilifeform: it doesn't do anything through a terminal that 'eliza' could not do.
asciilifeform: with possible exception that one 'had to be a cow' and other 'could have not been a cow', to borrow from mircea_popescu's piece
asciilifeform: what if we learn that 'she' is a d00d ? in israel no less ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what's a housebarn
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 02:31 asciilifeform: shiva(tinyscheme) is not a wife, it is a cow. it is quite possible to have a house without a cow. if you do have a cow, it lives in separate structure, and nobody will need to be reminded that it is not a wife.
asciilifeform: did i miss a log day.. whom did indiancandy scam
mircea_popescu: this is a kind of service. scammer does another kind of service.
mircea_popescu: i'm an oracle, if you wish. people can ask me questions and get answers, which conform to a specified model ; and STAY conformant in the future.
asciilifeform: as i see it, a large part of 'why wot' is to deliberately interfere with the 'circle of life' , to deny the scammer his easy prey.
mircea_popescu: i didn't order a hit on his fucking house, mind. this isn't because i can't have random residence firebombed.
mircea_popescu: and in the former case : because I KNOW he's a scammer.
mircea_popescu: so no, there's no sympathy for "victims". don't be a victim. if you are a victim, either fix yourself or kill yourself.
mircea_popescu: the information is there. daring to not use it is a crime worse than any fraud.
asciilifeform: ecology -- is legitimately a thing (as distinct from enviro-whinery) and we all share atmosphere, etc.
mircea_popescu: there's a strict difference between robber (who robs all comers) and invader (who robs you only).
mircea_popescu: even so. as any half competent mobster can tell you, by the time you're targeted for theft your organsiation's been utter shit for a while.
asciilifeform: suppose mircea_popescu catches a hood rat red-handed running off with spare dirible engine from his warehouse.
asciilifeform: 'guard labour' is a tax.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone cares about a kg of produce enough these days.
asciilifeform: in righteous olden times there'd be a hanging.
mircea_popescu: you may also file a complaint if the weighs don't match ; if they pile on the offender won't be able to hire a stall there. that's about it.
asciilifeform: without honest weights and measures, there is no market, there is (in words of spiffy mircea_popescu article!) 'put maybe-potato in this bag, get a bag of maybe-coins'
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 16:21 asciilifeform: it is partly the long-term 'ecological' perspective on this practice, that bothers me; but also that pretending to be multiple people, while being one, is a fundamentally dishonest and truth-hiding act.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607339 << just some conceptual posturing from me, but: i maintain that it's not 'dishonest' and may in fact be a robust strategy to survive in the world. it's easy to misuse it, though. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no argument there. not like it is VERBOTEN to structure the identities in a treee etc.
asciilifeform: it is partly the long-term 'ecological' perspective on this practice, that bothers me; but also that pretending to be multiple people, while being one, is a fundamentally dishonest and truth-hiding act. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: original thread was vague and ramified. i don't see what more you need than alf-fucks-goats key ; and the bugaboo of "but mp, then everyone can make random keys i won't know about" seems more like a childhood nightmare than anything.
asciilifeform: (it is quite a struggle.)
mircea_popescu: this is not a good answer.
mircea_popescu: somehow that hair doesn't bother. but anyway. you find yourself with each foot in a different rowboat, because on one hand you don;t want everything to be high quality code ; and on the other you think shitty quality code normalizes it and begets more of the same.
asciilifeform: there is not yet afaik a fad of removing noses, ears, either.
asciilifeform: except that it'll be no gain at all if as a result the expected material for ALL construction is granite.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 15:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607087 << this is actually not half-bad an idea, and it goes nicely in the direction of phf 's literate code, which i still think should be a distant, but present goal.
mircea_popescu: i'm not a luddite yo.
mircea_popescu: THAT is a process that works ; an imaginary strainer is fap fodder.