asciilifeform: ( phf's still worx, but i have nfi whether will for how long )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : at the very least, would ~very~ much like there to be at least a 2nd logger, somewhere other than piz, for redundancy
asciilifeform: would have to, as i understand, dispense with notion of time, and go by '# lines'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: something like bitcoin's merkle-style order-indep. hashing would potentially work . but still relies on clock sync, otherwise no 2 boxes have same notion of interval to be hashed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re synced-loggers -- i sat for whole day thinking about this, but in the end came to same conclusion as mircea_popescu , i.e. that it is moar complicated than appears, fleanode will liberally reorder lines
asciilifeform: well can also do like we did FG site and mircea_popescu write 'hey make the grey deeper' and then asciilifeform goes an' turns knob. but, will take longer i expect.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after genesis will be pretty easy to stand up local copy. so in fact if you like can set the colours in person and vpatch, i will read, sign, upload to dulap..
asciilifeform: ( if let's say i needed to move a coin, would have moved ? or also out to lunch )
asciilifeform: i cannot resist to ask, where the everliving fuck was trinque during all of this.
asciilifeform: which reminds me, another phfism i gotta clone, that paste-stasher
asciilifeform: also all of this wasn't particularly hard, lobbes gave up imho too quickly.
asciilifeform: nao in re mechanicals -- bot is written from 0 using bare sockets. www end and bot eat a common config, there are nomoar 'magic' constants in the proggy. so it will be pretty simple to set up mirrors after genesis, if anyone is up to it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more interestingly, asciilifeform found that he has py-de-gpgation thing already lying around from when wrote snsa-shop telecontroller. so actually can bolt it on. would rather genesis current ver 1st tho.
asciilifeform: what the fuck is the common thread there?!
asciilifeform: and, the other q, is writing log www somehow lethally dangerous work ?! kako wrote -- succumbed to brain fungus. Framedragger -- succumbed. phf -- ditto. ben_vulpes -- ???!
asciilifeform: ftr asciilifeform is sewing a constant-time keccak so that peh can rsa in battlefield. is someone gonna do this in my place, so i can write www log ??
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ( or trinque , plox to whisper in his ear ) : phf might be dead, but afaik you aint! where is the genesis of yer www log front end ? why are we down to ONE half-maintained log bot ? does asciilifeform have to drop errything and try an' bake a logger ? why ?
asciilifeform: ( as it is, 99% of threads are served by the older snapshot, cuz they concern very basic mechanisms -- but the line #s are liable to be off )
asciilifeform: if mod6 had the detruncation and the 'who-gave' patches in the flagship tree, we could even potentially find out who...
asciilifeform: at this pt, seems quite evident that someone is throwing around crafted wedge chains (i.e. mined after-the-fact , with backdated timestamp, going from older block) specifically to wedge syncing folx.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje et al : ^ pretty nasty , surprised no one has observed this effect before.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: 'mailinator', 'gmx', etc spamtraps still afaik work
asciilifeform: ( cleanly handles the multi-box scenario, too. )
asciilifeform: prolly this is where asciilifeform oughta admit, that in his notebook he has (what thinks is) a reasonable protocol for this. it however needs fast keccak.
asciilifeform: there's a long queue of 'idjit standards that Must Die if anyffin sane is to be possible'. on other side of the tower, e.g., x86.
asciilifeform: (same thing we're doing to gpg's rfc2440 etc)
asciilifeform: the correct end of the funnel to plug, is to burn the protocol.
asciilifeform: reason why 3 decade of 'apache' is same as why erryone (incl. microshit) is using that SAME tcp stack from berkeley '80s. cuz protocol was deliberately made so braindamaged, with literally 10,000+ moving parts, that ~impossible to correctly reimplement if demanding compat with 'everyone'
asciilifeform: the only conceivable reason why httpism lived (for 3!! fucking decades) is cowardice. 'oh noez, couldn't tell reader to install sane browser, MUST compat with internet-exploder' etc
asciilifeform: an' if 'sane server', and 'fuck or go home and tea', may as well then also serve up sexpr instead of the html soup.
asciilifeform: ( why would ~not~ want ? conceivably, cuz rsa is expensive. at least until we have e.g. that 8192bit mips iron, or similar )
asciilifeform: strictly speaking , udpistic page server doesn't even require gossipism. but ideally yes.
asciilifeform: it is far from proven that it could not be substantially improved on. but afaik a) only along the axis of bw economy b) at substantial expense in re moving parts.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there are actually coupla dozen (that asciilifeform knows of) schemes similar in scope to luby's -- i picked his simply cuz a) works b) minimal complexity
asciilifeform: ( even if you have to 'stretch' the FG w/ prngism, still 9000x moar convergence than with bare hands )
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: btw this is another application where box with FG wins -- generating fast-converging luby frags
