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asciilifeform: i will confess, at one point i contemplated a 'vtronic bsd', but i have difficulty mustering any further enthusiasm for keeping unix on life support
trinque: certainly in the case of both portage and bsd ports, "I got my patch past one community organizer idiot" is no standard of merit
asciilifeform: trinque: i'd actually rather it all went away.
asciilifeform: it means that i have to manually fiddle with the motherfucker every time.
trinque: it didn't take me longer than 5min to copy the openbsd emacs makefile and remove everything I didn't want
asciilifeform: to briefly revisit my actual complaint re openbsd -- if i want emacs but NOT dbus, i am reduced to, more or less, 'make own unix', rather than using openbsd as such.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is there i may not know about and wish to have ? list ?
mircea_popescu: wtf would i install ? "oh i wonder what these new things called ides are, how about i install one and try it out"
mircea_popescu: how about "i have disks from before 2016 because I WAS NOT BORN YESTERDAY"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is 'download', and there is 'distill from unicorn juice', and i suppose there is, in mircea_popescu's case, 3rd button on the dial, 'ask friend to do it'. but i do not know of a 4th button.
whaack: i asked for one a long time ago but i never got the game working and didn't save the dpaste message unfortunately
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why tge fuck would i DOWNLOAD it! wtf am i, new ? this is like going "go google something and see if you can find something besides wikipedia". dude... srsly, i'm googling things now ? let me try this, oh, let's google "mathematics" see what happens, I NEVER THOUGHT OF THIS BEFORE
trinque: I have still on my disk a semi-working portage on openbsd
asciilifeform: i.e. thing was less sanitary, by long shot, than the shoddiest gentoo.
asciilifeform: i soured almost totally on openbsd when i labouriously set up a box, with all of the proggies i rely on for daily use, and found that emacs COULD NOT be de-poetteringized without eschewing the ports system entirely
asciilifeform: can i install x11tronic emacs ?
asciilifeform: you gotta check the antecedents recursively, as i did.
mod6: I'll work on getting axiom into place in the code, will update further if I hit another issue or need further discussion/direction:
mircea_popescu: oh i see what you did!
mod6: i don't know how the mechanical hash matching would work otherwise.
mircea_popescu: and i thought win-32 is actually a codependency for ver_now_5_4 alongside thermonyukyoolar.
mircea_popescu: i don't get how you built this list, fwiw.
mod6: Once I have that part correct, will update and continue wrapping up the automated tests. Then further testing will begin, etc.
mod6: Anyway, wanted to spend a few minutes elaborating on my latest battles; I'm making progress, but still need some time to get it straightend out.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, me reads " Eric, a year ago I came to similar conclusions. Watching the chaos on the mailing lists and IRC channel,", proceeds to join #rust, is shocked by the sound of utter silence. maybe the guy meant join/part spam, who knows. nice going anyway.
mod6: so I propose that I need to ensure of its removal by reverse checking every decendants antecedents.
mod6: ah, since there are more than one graph edge, it must be clobbered as well, "asciilifeform_dns_thermonyukyoolar_kleansing.vpatch", I mean.
mod6: So I'm thinking that I need to add an additional check to ensure that every vpatch has a corresponding, existing, antecedent in the current flow.
mod6: His graph doesn't show all of the edges, and as this correctly highlights, I believe to be less than perfect. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: on trying to check out phf 's nice graph i discover btcbase.org/patches redirects, to btcbase.org/patches/nil ☟︎
mod6: So basically what I'm seeing is that, once I discover my proper decendants, I also need to reverse check the graph for ~existing~ antecedents to ensure that a proper press can happen.
mod6: You see, when I've tested this in a single edge graph system -- a simple test vpatch set, this problem doesn't occur. a->b->c->d->e, remove 'c', and you just have a->b -- my current implemntation does this fine.
mod6: However, when I try to press, I realize that this is actually incorrect, or I ~think~ it is incorrect.
mod6: Now, my flow, as currently coded in V (99994) actually does exactly what I expected above. ^
mod6: I expected "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch""asciilifeform_zap_hardcoded_seeds.vpatch", and "asciilifeform_zap_showmyip_crud.vpatch" to be removed from the flow.
mod6: So basically, the deal is, that when using TRB, I have one user in my wot, say "mod6", and I drop out a vpatch from the flow, say "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch" by moving it's seal to "asciilifeform_dnsseed_snipsnip.vpatch.mod6.sig.foobar", then I expected a few things to happen.
mod6: I've created some new tests and all of which have been looking good. But then I noticed what seems like a problem on the last, new test, to implement. In fact, it was the last step of the last new test.
mircea_popescu: i picked a random number, not to be taken seriously
mod6: While implementing automated tests for the wot-variant changes for V (99994) last night, I ran into an issue.
mircea_popescu: i figure if he sticks to it people will slowly migrate their schedules.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> "weds 14:00 to 16:00, phf's lisp class". << this would be pretty cool actually. i'd attend if I could get the timing right...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your reading there maps more to feeling than to history.
asciilifeform: i can't speak for others, but it was always ~that~ part that turned my stomach, reading about olden timez.
mircea_popescu: i seem to recall early modern ru having one of the lowest capita per area of all the world.
asciilifeform: ah i oughta add that he was praising the traditional ru peasant hut. crowded lowtech.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it. wasted potential to what ?
asciilifeform: he devotes page+ to how important it is that people carry fleas again. and how important to bring back shamanic medicines 'in time for inevitable disappearance of pharma industry'. i'd quite like to begin with orlov, and his wife, son
asciilifeform: fwiw i think he enjoys playing the circle of idiots he 'works' in meatspace. (the funkenstein_ types).
mircea_popescu: i think i might have heard this play before.
asciilifeform: i will omit the 'genetically modified evils' chapter, to preserve appetites
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform random nonsense aside, i also don't believe fusion is +ev in a practical sense. obviously if you can be arsed to gather together enough hydrogen you get your own star for free. but that's about it.
mircea_popescu: we might mean different things by organised. i don't mean what is meant by "systematizing" in eg "systematizing delusion"
mircea_popescu: i don't care about stupidity per se ; organised stupidity of any kind however is a different matter.
asciilifeform: i'm considerably more immediately allergic to his strange cocktail of 'noble savage' luddism, enviro-whinerism
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes ; moreover i'm talking about a very specific "intellectual" thing. not in any sense intended for mass consumption. intended for perenity. ☟︎
mircea_popescu: i find it quite amusing that esr tried to do ~exactly what i just did, except with much more rudimentary tools and with much less interesting results. idiots living among idiots ALSO has a cost eh.
mircea_popescu: or maybe just i don't read it so well.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure i mentioned him before.
asciilifeform: nao i'm really curious. how, for instance, does one make, e.g., an arithmetic, with 'neutered power element' but still in some sense 'knowledge' ?
asciilifeform: but i'd like to know how.
mircea_popescu: re the soros book : it's not terrible, there's a certain political bent to it but i expect you're immune. like how human doesn't catch most rat viral strains.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes http://cascadianhacker.com/rogue-one#comment-144 << sadly i have nfi who that is.
mircea_popescu: ah finest. i read first soz.
mircea_popescu: yes. but i think it's very informative to examine it from angles.
asciilifeform: i did mention 'but still has to be paid for'
mircea_popescu: (i beg forgiveness if i just snap yoru words to classical discourse on the topic, it's for the greater good)
asciilifeform: it doesn't strike me as counterintuitive at all, is actually the exact thing i was thinking of.
mircea_popescu: which is somewhat counterintuitive. so i was examining if you're going to stick with the definition or redefine in face of it.
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more in the lines of, shooting obama. puts him out of his misery of pretending like he's a person.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was just observing shooting is a public good by your definition. not practical to keep it from freeloaders, still has a cost.
asciilifeform: not quite what i had in mind, no.
asciilifeform: qs is exactly what i was thinking! ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: (qs i will remind stands for quantum sufficit, or else satiem. satiem is the word that gave sated. the presumption here, etymologically-amusing as it is, is that something can be qs only if there's no "black hole" of appetite. mmkay.)
asciilifeform: said 'ad libitum', i.e. not individually+transactionally dispensed
asciilifeform: when'd i say 'endless'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when i had you define "public good" you said "endlessly abundant item". this is nonsense, nothing is endlessly abundant.
mircea_popescu: it's not clear to me that any engineering issues are in fact involved. all i see are purely psychogenic issues improperly welded to the foregoing. you don't need nor can have any meaningful implementation of "public servicves", not ever. getting oneself to believe the contrary is a strange exercise in contorsionism
asciilifeform: i only know 2 types of city -- today's, and stereotypical-medieval
asciilifeform: because 'republican city' is not a subj i am deeply familiar with.
asciilifeform: well that's what i'd like to study from mircea_popescu .
mircea_popescu: i showed up for ~40% of classes. which was about the most either me or the system could carry.
ben_vulpes: the fun parts were fun, i learned rather a lot, i have a deeper hate of irc than i did a week ago...
phf: !(loop for i from 1 to 1000 collect i)
asciilifeform: phf et al : i still don't get why not simply candi_lustt (+ 2 2)
phf: asciilifeform: there are two incompatible eating methods, "eat" function and the ^( mode. i added the latter for my own convenience, because number of times i want to type a sexp is way higher than a literate string that opens with paren. obviously doesn't scale to a channel full of people, who have much less need for a repl bot
mircea_popescu: i guess can have !( for it and you wipe ! ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't want her to do anything specifically, but she also can't answer to a single-open-parens control sequence
ben_vulpes: if you want a default that'll persist over reboots so she does at least something, i can jam that in there
asciilifeform: i keep it in the work room.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and funnily enough, first thing i did was (knockoff) lava soap.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i am currently satisfied that this is so.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well noshit. is what i normally do.
mircea_popescu: could set the footnote to arbitrary anything, but meh. and i see no good way out of the comment thing, because it ~is~ stuck parsing the comment.
asciilifeform: iirc i recently tried to mix something entirely else with it, and also got barf
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i was thinking she gets upt in half hour intervals
ben_vulpes: so i guess in five minutes or so i'll restart her when freenode wakes up to the dead socket?
phf: oh somebody mentioned candi_lustt in a message, i think a111, and that triggered mp's code, which in turn has some exciting exponential properties
candi_lustt: i'm alive
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : ben_vulpes would you join candi here and set everyone in l1 to its eat list ? i deem you've satisfied contractual obligations re support ; if you'll be kind enough to bring it back within a day or two should it get knocked off that's entirely fine by my lights. and everyone else : have fun with the lisp repl, but don't abuse.
mircea_popescu: i have a solution for that, too! http://trilema.com/2016/an-immodest-proposal/