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mike_c: omg.
the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic.
mircea_popescu: what i dislike is a bunch of fucktards going around with money
that isn't
theirs, muddying
things up.
MisterE: this
topic comes up regularly in #space
MisterE: nothing other
than being a space enthusiast
mircea_popescu: nothing really, all
the overfed know of hunger is
their
terror.
MisterE: hunger inspires looking for food, not looking
toward
the stars heh
mircea_popescu: not
that people can't rehash
the ancient arguments re
the importance of
the church and present
them de novo in favour of
the state.
MisterE: the other
thing about
the 'intangible benefits' of research and exploration is
that it inspires and
this is so very much lacking in
todays youth. When we were walking on
the moon people were amazed and wanted
to be engineers, nothing like
that now.
The biggest value
to come out of
the Apollo project was
the increased interest in science.
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: not
the welfare state, but
the state, certainly
mircea_popescu: antephialtic if you
think
the welfare state did anything for
the advancement of pure mathematics...
MisterE: you need a state with a surplus
to do
that
too
MisterE: I wish when government funded
that kind of research
the first priority was not always
to weaponize it if possible
antephialtic: hard
to see how such pursuits would be funded without a system of universities (and
thereby
the state
that funds it)
antephialtic: regardless of your
thoughts on welfare, with regards
to science
their are many avenues of basic research
that cannot be justified from a pure ROI standpoint yet have long
term benefits
to
technological advancement. Such as
the development of pure mathematics, etcetra
mircea_popescu: ahahaha diablo 3 apparently still
thinks it exists, made update, costs 40 bux
MisterE: those grades are
the most vluable
though
MisterE: well
the were nice but are fallig apart now
MisterE: Like lawyers and consultants
they
thrive on problems not on solving
them heh
antephialtic: well, inventing
the ARPAnet was one kind of cool
thing
MisterE: when was
the last
time a government "fixed" anything?
antephialtic: t'll lead
to a future consolidation of wealth, extremely low levels of social mobility and weak economic performance compared
to countries
that use a more mixed method. From a competition viewpoint
this is not a good position."
antephialtic: his
thoughts: "Now, whilst some might welcome
the reduction in
the state caused by a loss of
taxation,
the state is
THE key economic driver of innovation, prosperity and social mobility.
The laissez faire economic system is an extreme mindset of some of
the more ardent supporters of Freidmanism and
the Chicago School.
There is no basis for assuming a beneficial society can be created without
the state and in all likelihood i
antephialtic: his recipe for how
the government could "fix" bitcoin
antephialtic: will be interested
to see you
two fight it out on
twitter. his opinions (on politics at least) seem
to be
the polar opposite of yours
ozbot: The politics of Bitcoin pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
ozbot: Bitcoin and
the poor pe
Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
pankkake: antephialtic:
that's why I said last
two paragraphs ;)
antephialtic: pankakke:
the solution
to fixing bitcoin is not
to make it more complex.
that just increases
the inertia of having multiple compatible implementations
antephialtic: mp:
talk
to him on
twitter, he's pretty active
mircea_popescu: idiot b;logger.com. was gonna leave
the guy a reply, but a well.
mircea_popescu: "Austerity measures will have
taken
the route of unprecedented and radical decimation of
the state - everything from state provided healthcare
to coastguards
to income support
to education will be practically gone replaced with numerous forms of bitcoin based insurance."
pankkake: yeah, I've seen
that in people praising Bernankoin without getting it
mircea_popescu: pankkake not altcoins, but
teh people bitching about how other people are eating "their" share of
the pie are.
mircea_popescu: it's pure jealousy, and well...
that's not part of
the laws of nature.
antephialtic: and
to
that I say,
that's just how
the world works
mircea_popescu: antephialtic but
the whole argument behind scrypt,. and behind asic-resistence, and all
that jazz is "other people
than us have better resources and are being rewarded for
this."
antephialtic: but I
think
that is inevitable, and if it is going
to happen, I'd rather end up at
the
top instead of getting crushed in
the
transition
antephialtic: I don't
think cryptocoins will make
the world any more egalitarian. Probably less so, as
their widespread use would deny
the state a lot of
tax revenue
mircea_popescu: cryptocoins are here
to bring inequality back
to its proper size
mircea_popescu: there is
the problem. it's all
trying
to somehow build equality out of
technology.
antephialtic: hah. If you want
to require disk, you can do proof-of-storage instead of PoW
antephialtic: asciilifeform: what are
the characteristics of a cellular automaton PoW
that make it resistant
to an ASIC implementation?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform give
them a decade. reading
these logs is slow work.
mircea_popescu: We have not come across a proof of work algorithm
that is
truly ASIC-proof and quick
to verify. All alternatives will only delay
the problem, and at a considerable cost.
antephialtic: also,
the chain with
the asics will have much better network security
than
the new X11 chain, so many rational merchants would stay
mircea_popescu: when people go
to war,
they couldn't care less about foreign markets or whatever
the fuck.
antephialtic: yes, but bad for everyone if less merchants accept it because
they lose
trust in
the
tech
mircea_popescu: since
the fork will NEVER resolve,
tyhere's no scamming.
mircea_popescu: a hard fork is a political event.
they get
the old chain coins
they chose.
antephialtic: mircea_popescu: you send
them coins while
they are still on
the old chain
mircea_popescu: antephialtic how exactly would
the merchants be scammed ?
mircea_popescu: Wtf is
the point of crypto if a bank can simply mine all
the coins
themselves,
the entire point of crypto was
to get away from elitist bankers
mircea_popescu: And it would be a great way
to stick it
to
the mega banker elite class who invested billions in Asic hardware.
mircea_popescu: Hardforking BTC and LTC
to X11 would be pretty awesome.
antephialtic: would be very damaging
to
trust unless it was done extremely carefully
antephialtic: but with bitcoin it would be a lot more dangerous as many merchants would get scammed while
their were still multiple viable forks
antephialtic: dogecoin has intentionally forked at least once
to switch
the block reward algo
antephialtic: I
think forking
the chain is interesting, would give a lot of incentive for miners and users
to switch if
the
tech was actually better
pankkake: interesting experiment
though - how could a hostile hardfork be received in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: there's a deep understanding of what humanity is all about,
that someone as fucking weird as dostoievski could exhibit nevertheless
antephialtic: but rms is a greybeard. a neckbeard who is respected widely for
technical contributions
antephialtic: a friend of mine works in
the same building as stallman. says he does all kinds of weird shit in
the office
mircea_popescu: antephialtic most neckbeards make excellent worhorses. doesn't mean anyone would want
them i nthe house.