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Framedragger: mircea_popescu: names of women you fucked. i know the names and there aren't too many of 'em. and for some strange indefensible reason i think this applies to many folx here. but this is a tangent
mircea_popescu: i know names of women ; some of which i've not fucked ; but not on that basis.
mircea_popescu: to quote celentano, "i already met enough people this month"
mircea_popescu: to obtain a handle one must do specific things ; if they don't, they don't. i don't give out handles like candy because why would i.
mircea_popescu: i don't distinguish between eg adlai or nubbins ; i haven't allocated a handle ; they're just $dork, whatever.
asciilifeform: and not only scammers. for all of the annoying habits of, e.g., adlai, i'd still much rather have 1 adlai than to have to perform the calculation of 'is this an adlai-tulpa' every time a new name appears.
asciilifeform: this is one of those things that looks feasible because the contemplated case is 'the same people i work with now, but in different costumes', rather than 'cacophony 50 yrs from now'
mircea_popescu: the basis of THAT decide i'm waking up in the same place.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much of this is habit. consider for a second the case of the nickname dude, who is currently having a meltdown in my comment section on the apparent expectation that i somehow care what he said and i read the various comments as comming ~from the same one guy~. he actually thinks this ; actually expects me to allocate INDIVIDUALITY on the basis of anonymous. it's almost as if i were to wake up every morning and on
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't do ai. i do ia.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you keep trying to design-for-ai. there's no need and no call for that ; moreover no practical way to ever do it. wot permitted me to ascertain enough information to eg behead that adlai schmuck most recently. there's no way "for you to explain how i reasoned to a machine", or even in general, and that doesn't hurt or stop me. moreover if there was such a way, then he'd simply act differently next time. and ther
asciilifeform: ('hey that wasn't MY sub-persona, i never signed the rating')
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what some luser must be thinking to join "dutch secret services". it's like joining the new jersey tv station. dude what.
mircea_popescu: yes, swamps "can be filled", but i'm not ready to shoot you all yet.
mircea_popescu: i understand that you see it stationary and imagine it's glass. it's not glass. it moves in response to your measures.
asciilifeform: i would like to see ~less~ breathing air in the world for the people who do this.
asciilifeform: i see 0 reason to make it ANY harder than it has to be.
trinque: ahaha, I was searching for it, got alf just now as first result
asciilifeform: aha! i've been digging for it for 10min nao
asciilifeform: but as i see it, if you are going to have the 'multiple personalities' thing, you MUST have signed ratings.
asciilifeform: (and i will also note, mircea_popescu's method puts serious mechanical stress on a part of tmsr that is at present time not well-developed -- navigation of elaborate, deep, and TIME-VARIANT relationships between wot inhabitants) ☟︎
asciilifeform: Framedragger: understand, i would like to live to see the day when we use NOTHING at all that is not from the wot. ☟︎
Framedragger: (yes and for that reason V is an insanely useful and (i'm coming to realize) very important tool.)
Framedragger: i'm sorry but that's false equivalence. EC crypto is used in timestamping service which is used for actual business transactions. not as trivial as dead passive animal under house
asciilifeform: trinque: a good chunk of the appeal, i dare say, of trb, is the ~pedigree~
jurov: i suspect never
asciilifeform: the problem, hypothetically, begins years from now, when i am living in nazi dome in antarctica, or long dead, etc. but at any rate moved past all of this; and other folx pick up shiva and decide that it is now 'safe'.
asciilifeform: trinque: the specific cure to 'not my fault, i Just Found It' is specifically the human-readable comments. which i included plenty of , including asciiart jolly roger, in shiva glue patch.
thestringpuller: ^- for the Seinfeld fans, but they probably already know. (I was happily surprised).
asciilifeform: trinque: now consider mircea_popescu's objection to the way i structured shiva patches.
trinque: but as I see it, the statement was made adequately
asciilifeform: all i ask is that said act not require a collective head nod. ☟︎
trinque: semi-relatedly, deedbot will be catching up on blocks for a bit this morning. I shut it down earlier to move old db files to a slower drive.
asciilifeform: trinque: consider the trb-genesis as a successful use case of the thing i am asking for.
trinque: I have seen this in every company I worked for in earlier years. guy grabs some open source turd, then when it breaks he cries "not my fault! just found it!"
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607066 << i can certainly understand this viewpoint, but have come to also discover (and appreciate the fact) that tmsr does actually tolerate 'incomplete work' if it's useful, and provide gainful feedback. ☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque: understand, i ~like~ docs, version histories, literate comments, and use'em in own work. but hey do not solve the problem from subj thread in a permanent and unambiguous way.
trinque: and then when I shit, nobody seals my patch, and eventually I'm known as a floor shitter, and nobody regards my seal
trinque: I don't dispute the need of the record
trinque: and in those cases I don't think any sane person faults him when the patient dies
asciilifeform: trinque: realize that current infrastructure is ~100% 'cow'. witness that no one has signed off on, e.g., linux, or gcc, in 'own child' mode, and i will say that you would have to be drinking, to even consider doing so
trinque: I understood it, but then we are after diminishing the standing of cows in the world
trinque: could always leave an expository comment in a file in your patch, but I don't know that it holds that "found item" is less the v-author's fault
trinque: if you bring i.e. tinyscheme into a v-tree, is it not your cross to bear?
trinque: though I favor http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607050 ☝︎
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607048 << i did not forget it, trinque , but it is a very bitter pill, as i suspect folx will discover for themselves when they actually take said pill ☝︎
trinque: Framedragger: I like to start working when the other fleshy meatsacks are turned off
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 02:25 asciilifeform: if there is literally no way to memorialize the fact that i took $item off a dead nazi, or dug up from sunken atlantis, rather than wrote it personally -- said item will have to be done without. (unless someone else in your wot does the imho monumentally idiotic act of 'adopting it as own child')
Framedragger: a fine morning to yourself! i see you rise early
Framedragger: i suppose this ties into the "view WoT rating as a representation of degree of certainty" approach, aha.
mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied in my mental representation of the fellow and won't be changing it. that's another name for certainty.
Framedragger: i'm like that (useless) teacher in kobo abe's "woman in the dunes", walking around the desert and examining bugs :) one day i'll fall into a pit which houses a house and a woman, and i won't want to get out
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i suppose so, at least the latest concept iteration as developed in the comments
Framedragger: but the originally conceived idea of a site which serves 'smart' JS which does pgp must be disposed of. i even looked into the state of the art in pinning (say, JS) web resources in html5 so the browser can be sure it's being served the same stuff, but it's ~undoable because the whole browserstack is rotten (and obvs JS doubly so)
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-25#1606714 << if the thing was implemented as discussed (e.g. http://trilema.com/2015/a-proper-social-site-for-the-bdsm-community/#comment-117298) it would indeed not be centralised. or if it ended up relying on one central node, that node would be more like a passive store of pgp'd blobs. not to say that i believe this is the one true future and salvation, ☝︎
mircea_popescu: i coulda sworn was im logs
asciilifeform: 'I read somewhere that whoever was calling for the most violence was who Bernardine latched onto and fucked silly. No violence, no pussy. '
mircea_popescu: a shit what some random bureaucrat thinks on any topic. I asked the DA if he thinks he has it in him to survive once the world which I control is no longer tolerant of him."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing is easier than http://trilema.com/2017/my-ai-problems-a-humble-confession/#comment-121016 "I didn't ask the girl if she thinks I'm any good or not. This is neither her business nor something within her purview. I asked the girl if she thinks she has it in her to try and survive once the world (WHICH I OWN) is no longer friendly to her. I didn't ask the DA for his evaluation of me. I couldn't give less of
asciilifeform: 'Myself I started to drift out of SDS when martial arts training became obligatory. When weapons training was required that was the end for me. What sent me away was not so much the notion of using a gun for a political end as that the providers of the guns were people who until five minutes previous could not fundraise a nickel bag for a party. Suddenly they had weapons, unlimited weapons, nice
mod6: Much appreciated. Other than this problem with the roots at hand, I think mine is in pretty great shape. The implementation of the all-antecedents axiom creates a bit of a slant here for what I have. But I'll do some digging into what your v99 looks like again and see if I can't get something resolved with that.
mod6: I appreciate both of your thoughts and considerations on the subject matter.
asciilifeform: (i.e. you can show that $item is ~no older~ than B blocks, but never ~no younger~)
asciilifeform: i also expect that (at least if traditional bitcoin continues to function interruptedly) promisetronic 'we the wise men agreed that hash H represents this tarball which existed in 2012...' will become entirely unnecessary and hence dispensed with in favour of actual pointers to deedbot
mircea_popescu: mod6 i expect the correct solution going forward is : a) for someone (maybe trbf ?) to make a Wildman McFucksticks key which b) will be used to sign a compliant rebase of tinyscheme / anything else anyone finds in the woods and wants to sign.
asciilifeform: except mircea_popescu is not doing without milk, he (and i, and the lot of us) is drinking the pus from syphilitic whore.
mircea_popescu: this wedge will not prevail. i'll do without any milk, forever. ☟︎
asciilifeform: i ain't equating, e.g., tinyscheme, to works from my own pen.
mod6: i think that cow aught to be rebased perhaps
asciilifeform: if i can't codify 'за что купил за то продал' -- we have problem.
asciilifeform: if there is literally no way to memorialize the fact that i took $item off a dead nazi, or dug up from sunken atlantis, rather than wrote it personally -- said item will have to be done without. (unless someone else in your wot does the imho monumentally idiotic act of 'adopting it as own child') ☟︎
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, i am saying, flatly, that this isn't a knowledge. as per lieberman.
mircea_popescu: i caqn readily see why this irritates your otherwise very well developed and entirely respectable respect for knowledge.
asciilifeform: and so i remain skeptical of vtronic practices that obscure authorship, for whatever otherwise excellent reasons.
asciilifeform: aha. and one of the old plagues i aimed to cure, with v, was the 'fog of war' surrounding authorship.
mircea_popescu: not sure it wasn't ; pretty sure that was always there, but yes i guess before the expliciting
mircea_popescu: i don't care.
asciilifeform: i specifically asked to memorialize the fact that i did not write tinyscheme.
asciilifeform: in the case of tinyscheme, i dealt with (or at least thought i was dealing with) the case where two separate bloodlines merge.
asciilifeform: and i entirely agree with mircea_popescu that working with such a thing is terrifyingly poor discipline.
asciilifeform: i get it, mircea_popescu really hates blue colour, and thinks that merc engine should light eggog light an' stop immediately if it detects blue paint on chassis
mircea_popescu: well, i get it that you think you did, except you didn't, because, note this, BECAUSE it didn't crash your algo.
asciilifeform: not when it is written correctly (i.e. as i did)
asciilifeform: i get that mircea_popescu really, ~really~ hates multirooted vtrees. this doesn't make'em '1==2'
mircea_popescu: i mean, it is a 1=2.
asciilifeform: this is what i meant by 'logically valid.' it isn't a '1 == 2'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i disagree that multiple-roots should be a mechanical eggog.
mod6: the main reason that I bring this up; 'foobar.vpatch' is being dumped out of the flow and causing problems since i've implemented the axiom of 'a vpatch can only be in the flow if all of its antecedents are present.' which causes a problem in this case as it gets chucked out as an orphan.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall, i actually had a wholly separate shiva-bridge
mircea_popescu: but an important point here i must stress is the COGNITIVE LOAD of a v tree. these aren't mechanical "oh, it changed x file so it goes with x". you think, as the author, and exactly in the manner of scoring wot members : what should this item be anchored on ?
asciilifeform: i can easily picture, e.g., FUCKGOATS, staying in that shape for the rest of eternity.
mod6: ok i guess that would be bad in the sense that "i'm just staring this project, my genesis should be a root even though nothing descends it yet..."
mod6: ok, so that's basically what I was wondering. to be designated a proper 'root', do we also add the criteria of "must have an actual proper decendant"
mod6: ok, i'd have to look at shiva genesis again here. but yeah, multiple roots.
mod6: So, my V changes that implement a proper wot-variant V are looking pretty decent. however, I thought up an edge case that I'd like to discuss a bit more -- and I know we've been over this a bunch, and even recently.
mircea_popescu: yes i'm aware that forcibly works and their own heads don't. so ?
asciilifeform: they ask 'can i get away with being idiot'
mircea_popescu: i'm not about to forcibly get people to stop smoking.
asciilifeform: but i can't recall where.
mircea_popescu: not even that. i don't perceive they're actually hurting. yes they're fucking up the lives of idiots. so ?