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trinque: I cannot see the error in that logic.
ben_vulpes: "oh i see why you don't like the epa, they fucked up the white pennsylvanian red state people you hate so much. so it's cool that penn no longer has potable water, because they're vile trumpers, right?"
trinque: I don't like the insane asylum in dc any more than anyone else
ben_vulpes: i'm not holding my breath for anyone associated with the government to fix shit.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah i forgot about them
asciilifeform: manhole covers are stamped 'india' where i live.
ben_vulpes: and i do not see this "trump vs republicans" thing. he saved the party, the old cripples are on their way out and he'll be either vice president in 8 years or speaker of the house.
mircea_popescu: i dunno how much i credit these accounts.
Framedragger: phf: if at it, may i have a copy of your logs too, please? :)
ben_vulpes: phf: may i have a copy of your log backups?
asciilifeform: (i have not succeeded in locating a working example of xerox-interlisp lm, for sale at any price by anyone)
asciilifeform: i would not live with it in a house.
asciilifeform: in $otherlocation i have a box with removable, pluggable fans on rails , where you can pull it straight out and immediately drop in clean one
mircea_popescu: i have traditional ones, doesn't bother them any.
mircea_popescu: i clean fans with pressured air.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what factor is worst for them. i think being powercycled worse than continuous use for one ; time probably worse than cpu utilization, unless poorly cooled. etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think it ever was 50% cpu no. but yes continuously.
asciilifeform: but i ~can~ say confidently that symbolics lispms followed this curve.
asciilifeform: i do not know if this pattern is typical of exhausted nonrenewable resources, or if there even exists sufficient historic record to analyze
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 18:03 mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that if one keeps the named hardware ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 convo) or their preferred equivalents that one will have no serious problems for the foreseable future.
asciilifeform: to briefly return to http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607573 , as i was painfully rubbed into it yesterday, in own iron: the hardware follows a 'passenger pigeon' dynamic: 'today, plenty' -- 'tomorrow, plenty' ... ... 'suddenly, none' ☝︎
asciilifeform: in turn it is also why i have an interest in a hypothetical nonbignumtronic (i.e. lamportronic) 'trb-i'.
asciilifeform: it is part of why i have continued and daily interest in z80, 6502, and other 'museum pieces'
asciilifeform: fact is, in the not too distant future, even the very powerful folx will have many fewer cpu cycles to play with than common lamer has today. to the extent this is any concern of mine, i would like to design in such a way that the applications that actually matter, e.g., wotronics, have the necessary cycles.
asciilifeform: i won't dispute that these exist.
mircea_popescu: kinda iffy thing. i have boards still going that i bought in 2002.
asciilifeform: i will attempt capacitor replacement, after the new board is up
asciilifeform: a top-notch (i.e. 1000+ usd in early 2000s) mobo lasts about 10y. i determined, experimentally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was just the other day sweating, to source a multi-cpu+ecc opteron board with >1 16-lane pcie.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-06 13:28 mircea_popescu: like what ? something like amd fx 9500 is, i bet, way ahead anything apple ever put in anything they made.
mircea_popescu: i'm satisfied that if one keeps the named hardware ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-06#1597436 convo) or their preferred equivalents that one will have no serious problems for the foreseable future. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: this is not exactly true, i'm booting 3.x on all sorts of late 1990s things
asciilifeform: i will sooner put on another d00d's eyeglasses than use a stock emacs.
asciilifeform: i suppose i missed a cltron
asciilifeform: i miss any ?
asciilifeform: at this point we know, i suspect, all of it.
mircea_popescu: not entirely impossible that an i-gcc emerges eventually in the manner of i-b ; but i wouldn't hold breath
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: this is sorta why i wanted to put out trb, frozen gcc, linux, etc. on a ~pressed aluminum~ cd
mircea_popescu: i suspect as the basis grows there's going to be a lot more such cross-verification.
asciilifeform: if your vtree traces pedigree to one of THESE as genesis, i or anyone else possessing such a disk, can be satisfied that it is not a modern wholesale forgery
asciilifeform: incidentally there is such a thing as a 'stone witness', if you will. e.g., i have tarballs from 1990s on cdrom.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:24 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607501 << argument was not about 'i want promisetronics but without having to get assent' but 'want less promisetronics , period' ☝︎
mircea_popescu: that's kinda where all this is going as far as i can see.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:51 asciilifeform: (and i will also note, mircea_popescu's method puts serious mechanical stress on a part of tmsr that is at present time not well-developed -- navigation of elaborate, deep, and TIME-VARIANT relationships between wot inhabitants)
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:46 asciilifeform: Framedragger: understand, i would like to live to see the day when we use NOTHING at all that is not from the wot.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607162 << im kinda curious if this day is actually in my lifespan. a LOT more curious than about any of the nonsense re i dunno, "cure for death". ☝︎
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607147 << i would say this qualifies. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 14:21 asciilifeform: all i ask is that said act not require a collective head nod.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607129 << this is unrelated to the discussion ; but since it's brought up this is also not possible. you can't obtain a way to re-create "rousseau's social contract" ie, agreement without the nod. that's heathendom pure and simple ; until and unless i nodded on your fucking law-tax-whatever it ain't got teeth. i don't care what you agreed with whom. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: and i do mean that, the weirdo serbian dudes keeping rape hotels during the war were relatively preferable.
mircea_popescu does literally think very little of the two actual humans invovled in the production of this particular greasespot. i think there's little more shameful than having parented an adlai.
mircea_popescu: this schmuck is literally going around trying to sell "i'm not going to hurt myself" to randos.
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 17:00 mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607473 << i can see very clearly this angle, but it is only an angle that you can see ~after~ you set the Bozo Bit on somebody ☝︎
asciilifeform: trinque: i think i see your angle tho. however it dun do much outside of meatspace, imho 'radiating female' only works in meatspace.
mircea_popescu: i could make ten of him and i wouldn't even need women to help me.
mircea_popescu: except i'm not his mommy.
mircea_popescu: yes, but you're also not the end all be all of dealing with idiots. the implication, evident as it may be, being that i'm his mommy and i should care about his welfare and his choice to lead with the wrong fucking thing is somehow my problem and oh aren't we all sorry that we're missing out on adlai not being dogfood. ☟︎
asciilifeform: trinque: i've worked in all kinds of sharashkas. why?
asciilifeform: i did not read 'deal' in the quoted bit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from my perch, i see ~0 meaningful diff b/w icandy and adlai.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sounds like minor variation of historic euro norm of ' i live with my pigs '
mircea_popescu: nobody as far as i know.
asciilifeform: did i miss a log day.. whom did indiancandy scam
mircea_popescu: i'm an oracle, if you wish. people can ask me questions and get answers, which conform to a specified model ; and STAY conformant in the future.
asciilifeform: as i see it, a large part of 'why wot' is to deliberately interfere with the 'circle of life' , to deny the scammer his easy prey.
mircea_popescu: i can. don't opt to, because i don't see the merits.
mircea_popescu: i didn't order a hit on his fucking house, mind. this isn't because i can't have random residence firebombed.
mircea_popescu: and in the former case : because I KNOW he's a scammer.
asciilifeform: i don't see this fog of war.
mircea_popescu: who next do i hang, whores ? for taking from fools money for that which they'd have free if they weren't fools ?
mircea_popescu: am i going to hang someone for being hostis idiotas ?
mircea_popescu: the pretense that "oh, i don't need the republic" or "oh, i use the tools at my leisure" or generally "oh, i'm an independent thinker in charge of my destiny" is what gets shot.
asciilifeform: this is kindergarten material, i thought.
mircea_popescu: i don't actually bother with the thief.
asciilifeform: he will shoot? or will say 'ooops, i blame myself, should have guarded better.'
asciilifeform: if i gotta bite ~every motherfucking gold coin~ , that is time that i am not doing whatever-else.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone cares about a kg of produce enough these days.
mircea_popescu: (i honestly have nfi and can't be arsed to find out)
mircea_popescu: i care about romania today in the sense you might care about the hittite empire. it sunk.
asciilifeform: i asked re today
mircea_popescu: i hold the malfeasant is punished there.
Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607339 << just some conceptual posturing from me, but: i maintain that it's not 'dishonest' and may in fact be a robust strategy to survive in the world. it's easy to misuse it, though. ☝︎
mircea_popescu: original thread was vague and ramified. i don't see what more you need than alf-fucks-goats key ; and the bugaboo of "but mp, then everyone can make random keys i won't know about" seems more like a childhood nightmare than anything.
asciilifeform: incidentally i am not seeing much uptake for the 'walking the walk' of mircea_popescu's position, so far. afaik asciilifeform is the only one currently struggling with ada, for instance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same way i know 'it is NOT good to have the only vehicle be antigrav'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose it is because preteens etc. still have eyelashes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607100 << this is iffy. i, for instance, would ask. i think. ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2017-01-26 15:41 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607087 << this is actually not half-bad an idea, and it goes nicely in the direction of phf 's literate code, which i still think should be a distant, but present goal.
mircea_popescu: i'm not a luddite yo.
asciilifeform: last i saw an operating room, it was sterilized by more than mere promise.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-01-26#1607087 << this is actually not half-bad an idea, and it goes nicely in the direction of phf 's literate code, which i still think should be a distant, but present goal. ☝︎☟︎
mircea_popescu: yes, i'm aware palm calculators exist for a while now. they don't "fix math" for the blonde ditz.
mircea_popescu: skills are skills. the expectation that one will go from craddle to grave without having to touch arbitrary class of skills "because i just don't go that way" is entirely hallucinant nonsense.
mircea_popescu acquired new $slavegirl. intelligent girl, very educable (i don't just mean in terms of training-for-slavery, a la BCT, i mean scholarily, with a native thirst for knowledge and a natural dedication to clean thinking) and altogether very pleasant. for historical reasons, unexperienced socially (twentysomething, second time she was in a bar, i took her there) and not particularily capable of talking to people.
asciilifeform: recount, i'll bbs, meat.
mircea_popescu: i've not kept track , but anyways.
mircea_popescu: that's what it pretends to be ; what it is i nfact, at least to my eyes, is more of the same usg social-democracy.