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asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu , et al -- plox to reveal what you pressed this tree with , thx
asciilifeform: and yes i separated out the sha patches.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf nm, distinguished by hand... but my vtron doesn't verify the sigs (not immediately sure why) and mod6's -- sees only Leaf: vtools_vpatch_newline.vpatch (phf)
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf are http://barksinthewind.com/2018/vtools-keccak-regrind/ old-style or new-style vpatches ?? my vtron won't press'em, and there is no way to distinguish , nor anything in the post to indicate, unless i'm thick
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/occasional-discourse-on-the-negro-question-1849/ << Trilema - Occasional Discourse On The Negro Question, 1849
mircea_popescu: after all the grauduation stuff, DIDSCOURSE!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/occasional-didscourse-on-the-negro-question-1849/ << Trilema - Occasional Didscourse On The Negro Question, 1849
asciilifeform: pretty much 100% of profit centres in gringolandia, at this point, are
asciilifeform: yea i'd expect it'd be a subchapter of some foreign thing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform after the girls saw http://trilema.com/2015/laile-ou-la-cuisse/ they identified sysco as the tricatel item, it's a constant butt of jokes.
asciilifeform: i could've sworn there was a mircea_popescu piece re subj
asciilifeform: aha, them. they supply the pig slop served in ameri-'food'
hanbot: asciilifeform the phud service item? i've seen the trucks, at least
asciilifeform: and makes exactly this
asciilifeform: btw hanbot didja know there is a 'sysco'
hanbot: perhaps the bs was in crisco networking?
mircea_popescu: gargauntuation day! << can't read that as simply "gargantuan" without "unction" squeezing its way in there. ewgh.
mircea_popescu: so does the kuiper belt.
mircea_popescu: i never saw brain that size before!
mircea_popescu: as the garudushu.jpg clearly proves.
asciilifeform: the 1 thing they've got, is an inexhaustible supply of idjits slinging boulders.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: all pantsuit 'philosophy' in the end resolves to 'you say you have brain, but we have BIGGER BOULDER haha'
mircea_popescu: hanbot quite the fucking "inconsequential side comment" you got there!
mircea_popescu: from end to end, this, the same stable this. from "i can not read this book, the words contradict" "psychopath!" to all the way, it's all the same fucking problem : programmable machine or boulder ?
mircea_popescu: the entire echafaudage of pantsuit is, in last examination, not so much an attempt to protect "the indolent from the active", nor (as separately seen), a guarantee to impotence for "ecology". but rather, jointly and singularly, pantsuitism is an attempt to protect the world from words.
mircea_popescu: THAT is the underlying, "Particularly "criminal" - using a computer in the manner it itself allows to be used." in http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-software-licensing-paradigm/#footnote_2_59725 ; that's WHAT "color of bits" is all about.
mircea_popescu: the more i think of it, the more i believe this to be the correct formulation. it's not merely, or specifically "me -- hither ; herd -- thither". it is quite specifically, and all-importantly : do words rule your worlds ? or do you expect "your world" to overpower my words ?
mircea_popescu: but how far this goes is breathtaking -- consider, luminaries such as tlp, at the edges arguing exactly that, "words shouldn't have power" ie http://trilema.com/2015/that-unpleasant-moment-when-principles-you-were-supporting-strictly-because-of-the-principle-of-the-thing-and-pointedly-not-because-of-the-convenient-manner-in-which-they-worked-upon-a-restr/#selection-89.0-89.50
hanbot: pretty much. i can see contracts mapping to rights as mouthed by they with no conception of what rights mean neatly.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, i am working on piece re the necessary benefits of uniting with africa. guy in 1850s intuited quite exacrtly this, "well... animals don't need most of what interests you for anything"
asciilifeform: 'what do you mean, contracts' << recall hanbot's tale !
mircea_popescu: or rather, "she has rights", which means, no matter what the words say, if she dun like it the morning after "she was raped" and incamom will make it right
hanbot: mircea_popescu quite. you oughta simply infer the meaning from its context! gargauntuation day!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is not a crime, you just have very bizarre approaches to interfacing, is all.
asciilifeform: hanbot: and i haven't got a stable of slaves to sit down and convert'em
mircea_popescu: nciples (ie, words) over people themselves!!" as well as http://trilema.com/2017/the-practical-costs-of-hallucinated-freedom/ etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-09-23 18:30 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in trilema spelunkology, anyone recall http://trilema.com/2013/ive-found-her/ ?
mircea_popescu: thinking about this... i guess this, THIS is actually the very substantial difference. "words shouldn't be able to break my bones", ie, have any effect AT ALL. "here i am, and here's the ass, and the hole in it ; it works as it works and what do you mean contracts ?" readily unites http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-23#1853128 with http://trilema.com/2014/the-definitive-tract-on-sociopathy/#selection-153.473-153.587 "abstract pri ☝︎
asciilifeform: hanbot: cuz 9000 existing trees.
hanbot: asciilifeform perhaps this is an idiotic q, but why can't you use dir names/structures to distinguish "on sight"?
asciilifeform: unlike some folx (as late as '16 some confessed to git ) asciilifeform does not use heathen versiontrons internally, strictly 100% v from aug '15 ☟︎
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: prolly like most folx who actually work on proggies, asciilifeform has '9000' vtrees on various disk, on various boxen, that are in classical format, and many not even intended for publication, the ones that see daylight naturally will become newtype ☟︎☟︎
hanbot: i guess words are hard; buttercream is tasty.
hanbot: they'd put all this effort into elaborate cakes, fancy roses etc, but spelling is difficult, and looking shit up is too much effort.
hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854699 << my favorite part of that cakewrecks site was all the "happy garaudashun!" cakes. ☝︎
asciilifeform: ideally i simply switch vtron to phf's and it's omnivorous.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly (see above) this is imagined headache, i'ma see
mircea_popescu: and you can't put "this is keccak" in manifest because it has to get into the manifest through being in the filename, rather than just in the comment line ?
asciilifeform: will see tonight
asciilifeform: tho possibly this was resolved, iirc phf's tool is able to eat old patches (with warning bell)
a111: Logged on 2018-09-19 17:44 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: right now asciilifeform , diana_coman , errybody, has buncha vdiff laying around, not only on www but on own disks, and serious problem if gotta stab at it by hand erry time to see which it is.
asciilifeform: hanbot: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-19#1851865 << thread ☝︎
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 18:48 asciilifeform: and incidentally i flatly refuse to have keccak patches on my box that are not outwardly distinguishable from old v. i'ma either use .v extension, or if mircea_popescu entirely hates, i'ma stuff e.g. asciilifeform_keccak in the names ( names currently not constrained by anybody )
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 20:37 asciilifeform: really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-09-26#1854794 << this frog has been boiling for a while, hanbot had to redo genesis in like mayu ☝︎
asciilifeform: i'ma be quite impressed if he wrestles that crate from orchell
a111: Logged on 2018-09-26 20:05 BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option
asciilifeform: would rather switch wholesale to phf's, since it apparently performs to satisfaction of diana_coman
asciilifeform: phf: i'm not especially attached to my ancient v, it suffered from several obvious sharp edges
phf: theoretically one could just wire it into existing infra instead of sha512sum, get all the keccaking for free
phf: asciilifeform: i have one, i use it for testing, but it's not particularly kosher, e.g. it uses Argument/Argument_Count etc. i'll post it in a bit, maybe you can rework it on your bench
asciilifeform: ( for that matter , i could use standalone keccaktron also, but dun recall whether we have one or it needs baking )
asciilifeform: really the barbaric sha2 has lived out its life ☟︎
asciilifeform: mod6: i've been using my orig vtron all this time. but recently diana_coman & mircea_popescu prodded, 'what's yer excuse for not moved to modern keccak-v' and i had no good counter, it's really time, so nao gotta actually uncrate phf's and make it go
mod6: mine does not do the graph-resolution as proposed by phf & esthlos.
mod6: <+diana_coman> asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes << I'm a bit confused too. I'm still using my vtron.
phf: i just got aarch gnat operational yesterday, so i'll republish it as a single tree anyway, but as of right now i think only esthlos's v does the fancy graph resolution
asciilifeform: phf: noted, ty
phf: asciilifeform: fyi if you're using your own v, you would want to remove vtools_vdiff_sha, vdiff_sha_fixes_newline_gcc and vdiff_sha_static patches from patchset, because your v will get confused
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ty, was all i needed
diana_coman: asciilifeform, yes, that one
diana_coman: asciilifeform, hm? I can't quite parse that q; if it helps: I'm using phf's vtools, yes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You are very welcome. After the fucking two imports bullshit and first DHL flunky insisting on just getting a refund from Amazon, /dev/null is not an option ☟︎
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mod6 , phf , et al : is the 'canonical' (i.e. most recent usable) oldv-tree of newstyle-v the one on phf's www ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty for the update
BingoBoingo: Still going to look for a copy of Dr. Tristan Narvaja's Código Civil de la República Oriental del Uruguay at the feria named for the fellow
BingoBoingo: Tonight I am checking and printing paperwork, tomorrow catching a bus and registering as an importer
BingoBoingo: In this case the only motherfucking wop bastard seeing pesos in the execution of the rescue is the bus driver.
BingoBoingo: things. For its part however DINAMA will not be collecting a fee for its part in registering the business of me as an importer exempt from producing a waste management plan.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: lemme know asap when you learn whether the disk crate went irretrievably into /dev/null or not << At this point I am waiting for confirmation on my theory of the problem. I have identified the proper trámite and paper work it requires. If I am right in this theory other than my time, this will require a cross town bus ride to inconveniently located office to show papers and sign other papers swearing
diana_coman: as said above: it can certainly wait 24 hours and preserve history, what; and anyway, the tester part I see more as a branch only, because of the modifications required for testing purpose only (e.g. making the udp generic)
asciilifeform: ( maybe the smallest item i've genesis'd to date )
asciilifeform: it is such a small proggy, that this is not mega-pain
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you'd rather proceed immediately, and generate a newstyle tree, i'ma read it and sign also.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, works; publishing code is anyway good excuse for another review, so it'll take me some time too anyway
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma bake a new-style set and post closer to nightfall, currently boiling in cauldron of liquishit
mircea_popescu: the things that end up discussed as a result of "wouldja publish proper tree so others can patch on it already"
asciilifeform: the only hard req was that seal name match the sealed payload
asciilifeform: at least in the old vtrons ( i have not yet read the new one fully )
asciilifeform: ( so long as also rename the seal )
asciilifeform: theoretically mircea_popescu and errybody can rename patches to be anyffing at all
mircea_popescu: not "to rename files". as time passes, regrinds happen ; nonsensical nym-bs won't carry.
asciilifeform: (patch files, that is )
asciilifeform: you dun need regrind to rename files
mircea_popescu: if you must. it'll look retarded, esp after a time passes, but nothing regrinds won't fix anyway.
asciilifeform: so i take it it's going in the names.
mircea_popescu: im not about to call zips .zip-not-toothpicks instead.
mircea_popescu: for all i know .zip is "this truly ancient and obscure format for publishing toothpicks". da fuck i care.